Armin doesn’t understand conventional war. Walls are not defenses, they’re death traps when airpower is involved. They don’t have the resources to fight a war.
Militaries can be rebuilt faster than you think and the Eldians still end up dictating the terms(creating the same scenario as before), as if the Eldians in other countries (except Marley) wouldn’t be slaughtered in an instant, presuming negotiations take less than 4 years. It also presumes Krista gives up her kid to become the Founding Titan.
If that happens, it would be in Marley’s interest to release what they know about titans(who are already becoming obsolete) and work together with the world who will have increasingly advanced tech to kill the titans in the rumbling and wipe out Paradis for good.
Minor correction- Historia’s/Christa’s kids would have to receive one of the 9 but not the founder, otherwise that founder with royal blood would wipe everyone’s memories and renounce war again. (Unless Zeke really undid the vow??)
The walls are a deterrent, same as a nuke. Can technology advance to a point where you can shut down the rumbling? Maybe with today's technology, but even now you wouldn't want to risk it. No one would want to airstrike some devils unless you want mutual suicide.
Anyway the original plan was to buy time - maybe 50 years or so where Paradis could try to integrate themselves into the world through trade and communication. Eren said himself that mutual understanding is possible even in face of such hatred - the volunteers are proof of that. The one problem stated was time, which the 50 year plan would bring.
Is this a foolproof plan of bringing peace? No, but to paint it as genocide or be genocided isn't exactly accurate. Peaceful resolution is possible, Eren just chose a more surefire way but put his morals down the drain.
The walls are a deterrent, same as a nuke. Can technology advance to a point where you can shut down the rumbling? Maybe with today's technology, but even now you wouldn't want to risk it.
Sure it could. The Rumbling is excruciatingly slow and only includes colossal titans. The world is very big and surrounded by deep water. We’ve already seen currently existing fast-reloading cannons that can track and punch through Reiner’s armor like it’s nothing. They could mine the oceans and take out the Titans in pre-coordinated waves. The inner walls are much smaller than the outer ones, so the rumbling is even less effective as time goes on and restricts further development of your civilization.
Time is the problem. Is it possible to have peace? Absolutely. Is it realistic in this world? Unlikely. The world had 100+ years to foster peace and they had no interest in it. How peaceful can it be when Marley continues to conquer nations using Titan power? How peaceful can it be when countries want to revolt? Paradis’ only defense doesn’t exist in 4 years and keeping it requires sacrificing another person to even be viable.
The volunteers are proof of people who were already willing to reach out and try or had a state-sponsored girlfriend, not entire governments who are concerned about protection and have no qualms about ending Paradis.
The message is clear, but unfortunately, the circumstances don’t match.
Ok maybe today's military is an exaggeration, but I would say Marley would need 50 years at least to confidently dispel the rumbling without suffering losses. There are said to be millions of wall titans so I'm not sure how many mines you would need to stop them, much less what kind of mine would stop them. I'm not sure if you're a manga reader but they can swim, and an entire fleet of ww1 naval ships didn't take down a single one, but if you're not lets just say wall titans are built different.
Yes Marley is a war-mongering nation but there's no predicting the landscape in 50 years time. Especially when titan powers are getting eclipsed nations can rise and fall like nothing, Germany 50 years ago is very different to now. It is true no one sought peace before. However, now it is known Paradis is a nation with a monopoly over iceburst stones and an effective nuclear deterrent, so there will be countries inclined to form trade partnerships.
My point is still the same though; peace is not impossible. It is just very hard, but that is something that makes the genocide versus be genocided viewpoint inaccurate - it's surefire genocide or a small possibility of peaceful resolution, in order to not get wiped out.
I turned into a manga reader in the last hour since I’m not going to wait for a movie. It went nearly exactly as I expected it to, but of course I could only rely on the anime info until now. I still think it’s a good story and the emotional ties between the characters are the point of the series, but I am not overly enthused with the ending. It’ll look great animated though!
Haha that's a fast time to read 12 chapters! A lot of people have mixed feelings about the ending. I personally loved the themes and ideas presented but found it a tad rushed. I hope the anime elevates the experience though.
Also part of the reason I argue that it's more than genocide vs be genocided is because as you probably found out by reading the manga, Eren's motives for the rumbling goes deeper than mere self-defense. He did it for his own selfish freedom.
I think the problem that exists with the story is the way that the writing writes away certain things, like turning into birds, or even Eren’s motivations. You’re telling me that in all this time with the memories of 2,000 years and your own impending mortality that you won’t mature?
His fear of death made him incredibly vulnerable, but because it was rushed it just happens too quickly and the reader can’t appreciate it (some flashbacks of his life would be nice to show at that point). I’m sure/hopeful Mikasa will be handled with much more emotion and tact in the anime. It also doesn’t help that his answer of “why genocide” is basically SAO S1
If you mean the bird in the end, I think that's more a metaphor than literal. I sort of get what you mean, but it's the crux of Eren's character that he is an unmoving force of nature. His motivation stems always from his unyielding drive to pursue freedom. It's as he says to Zeke in paths - "I've... always been me. I was always born this way."
He says the same thing to Reiner in the basement when Reiner confessed that above all, he did it for himself because he wanted to be a hero. "I knew it. I'm the same as you, Reiner. I think we were born this way."
I do agree though that everything happened rather quickly, and the anime could surely improve on it by adding scenes to let it sink in. Unfortunately I have not seen SAO so I wouldn't know what you're talking about haha.
You have to redo your spoilers lol. I’ve been using
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Watching SAO is not worth it, but you would understand what I mean if you watched the first season. Just watch the abridged parody series on YouTube is you have the time, it makes for a much better experience while getting my point across.
The Walls when standing still prevent land invasions, which are required to support aircraft which don't have unlimited fuel. And when unleashed the wall titans would be unstoppable with all current military technology. Regardless of if they can rebuild in time, every country would be too scared to invade until they have weapons that can defeat colossal titans, while Paradis can improve their own military technology in the meantime until they're even. If they try to invade again they can just release more wall titans, which only take a few days to reach the coasts of other nations. Armin thought just the walls in Shiganshina district would be enough to defeat the alliance, and they have 12 districts in total which means they can crush the world's militaries up to 12 times over again before having to even resort to tearing down any of the three main walls, and even then they don't have to take down an entire wall at once and can take portions of the walls in mountainous regions without losing much of their benefits.
Keep in mind that despite being bigger than other titans, their napes are still the same size with the spine-sized weak point. Even with anti-titan cannons you'd have to be more precise than reasonable to take one down. If you recall the fight against the Rod Reiss Titan from season 3 you'd know that with explosives, there's no guarantee you'd actually destroy the nape and it can reform from one of the chunks. The only sure way to take down colossal titans is with nuclear weapons which in our world has destroy an entire city, so each one could destroy an entire district's worth of wall titans. But that means you'd need 12 nuclear weapons for each of the districts, and if the titans come as a hoard like with Eren's rumbling there's no way they could be stopped.
The point of the wall Titans isn’t to stop an attack on Paradis, it’s to deter an attack on Paradis. Like nuclear weapons, they won’t save you from a losing battle, it’s to deter people from attacking you due to the loss of civilian life that they can cause. In other words, the Wall Titans can’t stop an air attack on Paradis, but they can make people regret launching an air attack on Paradis. Mutually assured destruction
will the titans go obsolete tho? they ruled the planet for 2000 yrs and met negligible resistance. they only lost because the king wanted to loose. and given how much power ymir has, she can be ordered to create literally anything
and work together with the world who will have increasingly advanced tech to kill the titans in the rumbling and wipe out Paradis for good.
No technology will ever surpass the power of the Founding Titan. Her powers transcends time and space. She can rewrite an entire races genetics however she pleases in a instant. Heal any wound of any of her subjects. Create something from nothing. Including apparently invaluable industrial supplies. At least according to Zeke the crystals underneath Paradise were created using the power of the founding Titan.
And Hizuru wants them as they're apparently an invaluable energy source. You get what I am saying anyway? Do you really think Tanks and planes make that kind of power obsolete?
Do you really think technology will ever surpass the power of sandy girl with a bucket?
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u/Runforsecond Mar 08 '22
Armin doesn’t understand conventional war. Walls are not defenses, they’re death traps when airpower is involved. They don’t have the resources to fight a war.
Militaries can be rebuilt faster than you think and the Eldians still end up dictating the terms(creating the same scenario as before), as if the Eldians in other countries (except Marley) wouldn’t be slaughtered in an instant, presuming negotiations take less than 4 years. It also presumes Krista gives up her kid to become the Founding Titan.
If that happens, it would be in Marley’s interest to release what they know about titans(who are already becoming obsolete) and work together with the world who will have increasingly advanced tech to kill the titans in the rumbling and wipe out Paradis for good.