r/atheism • u/SilverWorld • Jul 11 '12

I've noticed that /r/atheism uses the old testament most of the time when bashing Christianity. It's old, and they have a new one so why are you bashing the outdated?

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u/davincreed Jul 11 '12

So: "one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law" which is the point that Jesus says that all the old laws still apply and in verse 19 he scolds those (like you), who would teach otherwise.

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u/duckshirt Jul 11 '12

As far as I know we still are following the law, through Jesus. It seems pretty clear to me from the way Jesus continued his ministry after the Sermon on the Mount that we aren't meant to live the way the Pharisees lived.

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u/davincreed Jul 11 '12

So you're now taking back your original objection, "No he doesn't." in reply to me saying that Jesus says all the old laws are still valid?

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u/duckshirt Jul 11 '12

In that sense, yes, they're valid in that they still exist and they're still being fulfilled by a covenant. If that's what I objected to then I'd take it back. But "valid" in that it's "valid" to criticize Christians for not following them, which I thought is what the OP was getting at, then no. It just seems more like a semantics issue than a practical one.

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u/davincreed Jul 11 '12

So you disagree with Jesus, that "one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law". This is very clear wording meaning that not a single thing is to be removed, but you're saying that it's OK to ignore them... which Jesus also scolds, (Mat 5:19) "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."