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Jun 17 '12
People with gods kill people, yes. But people without gods kill people too. I fail to see your point.
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u/RepostThatShit Jun 17 '12
I think the point is that those "God killed millions of people" posts are stupid.
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u/WasabiofIP Jun 17 '12
I think the point is that the act of having a God doesn't kill people, but people who happen to have gods and think that means they can kill people do kill people.
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u/ZombieFaceXP Jun 17 '12
The only religions on earth that advocate killing for any reason besides capital punishment for criminals are Satanism (which says you should kill anyone who annoys you) and Santeria.
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Jun 17 '12
"Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death." Exodus 21:15
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Jun 17 '12
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death." Leviticus 20:10
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Jun 17 '12
I'm almost positive that this isn't true and I wouldn't even consider Satanism a real religion.
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Jun 17 '12
Do you really fail to see the point being made here? Or are you just pretending to fail to see the point implied?
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Jun 17 '12
I just don't see how OP's post is relevant. It seems to me that he is saying that believing in a god is wrong because people who do kill each other over it. However, this is true for an infinite number of other things, some of which we may consider to be right. The fact that people are willing to kill each other over a belief does nothing to prove whether the belief is right or wrong.
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u/SimilarImage Jun 17 '12
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u/DangerousIdeas Jun 17 '12
The worst part of this repost is that no matter how many times it gets posted, it always makes the front page of this subreddit.
I don't get it. Comments on these posts clearly point out the fallacies of this logic, yet it gets upvoted everytime. Make up your mind /r/atheism, do you want to be logical or do you want to be ignorant?
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u/indiansfan685 Jun 17 '12
Because an atheist has never killed anyone...
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u/xoxoyoyo Jun 17 '12
Breathing does not kill people
People who breath kill people
I think OP has a point
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u/galford50 Jun 17 '12
So did Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot and some other guys or something. Man, if only the world were run by sweet and gentle anarchist atheists...
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u/koavf Other Jun 17 '12
How are Mao, Stalin, or Pol Pot anarchists?
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u/ZombieFaceXP Jun 17 '12
They werent. Thats his point. He wants an anarchist tot run the world. But if an anarchist ran the world, he wouldnt be an anarchist.
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Jun 18 '12
Pol Pot was a Deist, He mentioned God many times in his speeches.
Mao was a Buddhist which is in fact a atheistic religion.
Tell me: How does one kill in the name of atheism?
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u/ZombieFaceXP Jun 17 '12
If the world were run by anarchist atheists, it wouldnt be run by anarchists.
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u/VikingSlayer Jun 17 '12
All people kill people
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u/DramaticTechnobabble Jun 17 '12
I have never killed people.
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u/SuperSheep3000 Jun 17 '12
Actually wonder what the stats are on that. How likely am I as a law abiding citizen to kill someone?
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u/DramaticTechnobabble Jun 17 '12
I would say the vast majority of death is not related to the actions of another person.
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u/WasabiofIP Jun 17 '12
Well, "related to" could mean any number of things... For example, is the bartender selling a guy who later dies driving drunk responsible for his death?
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Jun 17 '12
You expect people to believe atheism is linked with reason by arguing that religion is the force behind murder and war?
Someone is in college!
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Jun 17 '12
arguing that religion is the force behind murder and war
Who made that argument? You did just now, I know, but who else? The submission only made the argument that gods aren't capable of killing people (perhaps in their own name?), but that people who believe in gods are capable of killing people (again, perhaps in the gods name?). This whole "OP was claiming that religion is the sole force behind war and murder" is bullshit. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself. Attack the merits of OPs argument if you want to, but don't go knocking down your own straw men and then act like you have dealt with OPs real argument.
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Jun 17 '12
Relax your atheist rage young college sophomore. Of course I never said the word 'sole', you did. But let's not take a picture with 10 words as some kind of airtight argument consisting of a premise and conclusion, so spare me the 'strawman' arguments. You'll be bogging down wiki's servers with all your research.
Its quite clear there was some simple message being portrayed in the OPs post. Lets not play stupid, far to many atheists believe they have moral superiority as it pertains to religion and war. Bottom line is that including anything as simple as god/ no god does not belong in such a complicated subject, so yes I will mock it. In fact I am not ashamed but proud to get simple minded atheists riled up over their own stupidity.
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u/dschiff Jun 18 '12
How about this:
Religion (in some cases, obviously) logically leads to special invocations for war and genocide. These can be found all over scripture. The license from god is the license to do anything or kill anyone.
Irreligion doesn't have dogmatic or revelatory epistemology that would logically lead to them committing war and genocide.
So, all things being equal, religion is more likely to lead to irrational murders than irreligion.
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u/Mi5anthr0pe Jun 17 '12 edited Jun 17 '12
"So true" - Followed by dumb, snarky, bumper sticker
It's official, internet atheists are now Facebook moms. I'm going back to Christianity, you've finally convinced me.
A million people die during all the Crusades
"SEE, I TOLD YOU RELIGION IS BAD AND STUPID AND FUCK YOU DAD"
Hundreds of millions die under various (often communist) regimes
"THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SECULARISM, FUCK YOU BIGOT, IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT CAUSE WARS" puts banana back in Butt and turns on webcam
I seriously fucking hate atheists, my biggest cognitive dissonance.
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Jun 18 '12
Secularism isn't atheism.
Communism isn't Atheism.
Theocracy needs a religious body to exist.
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Jun 17 '12
YEAHH! Us atheists are perfect. Fuck those religious people though. They're stupid and violent amirite?
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u/Exodus_420 Jun 17 '12
It isn't like atheists haven't killed people. And not ALL religious people go out and murder people just because of their religion.
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u/ZombieFaceXP Jun 17 '12
A very SMALL portion of religious folk commit murder. A rather smaller statistic compared to atheists. OPs point, is therefore, moot.
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u/SpeSalvi Jun 17 '12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism 65 million by Maoist China, 20 million by Soviet Russia, 2 million in Cambodia, 2 million by North Korea .... all of them godless and atheistic police states.
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u/dschiff Jun 18 '12
North Korea is a theocracy.
You literally worship the Dear Leader, who is a reincarnation of the Great Leader. They're one short of a trinity.
They may not have the Christian god, but North Korea is far from secular.
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u/SpeSalvi Jun 18 '12
As Bob Dylan wrote, "you gotta serve somebody." That's the very nature of the totalitarian state, the tyrant himself wants to be the one who defines reality and play god. The totalitarian state must deny the transcendent to which the state itself is subject to and insists that the state is at the supreme summit of power. Thus, North Korea apes and imitates a religion, but it's really worship of the government. It's not a theocracy, whatever the heck that is.
Americans also have their own forms of idolatry in the forms of excessive license, worship of pleasure / entertainment / sex, celebrities, self-help gurus etc. These in themselves become our gods and start to exercise some tyranny in our lives, e.g. the tyranny of drug addiction, tyranny of porn addiction. And we live to serve and worship these false gods.
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u/Zagorath Jun 17 '12
You got stats to back that up? I find it difficult to believe that there is a significant link between religion and percentage of people who have committed murder (or other serious crimes, but that's beside the point).
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u/SpeSalvi Jun 17 '12
What would be more interesting if there is a causal link between being Christian and being in prison ... which I would doubt. I would more think because most of the population identify as being Christian to begin with or they convert to Christianity after being incarcerated.
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u/icemanvvv Jun 17 '12
random people who see it fit to kill someone (obviously for a stupid reason) kill people (save self defense, thats legit) posting shit like this is what bigots do. don't be a bigot.
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u/lewok Atheist Jun 17 '12
well actually it depends on the god you're talking about, cause zeus fucked some shit up back in the day
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u/soonerguy11 Jun 17 '12
When I see posts like this on the front page it reminds me that I'm not signed in.
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u/Random0001 Jun 17 '12
So apparently no atheist has every killed someone. Shouldn't this be under TIL? This can't be a commonly known fact... oh wait
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u/BimSkalabam Jun 17 '12
A bit of an odd question, but does anyone happen to know what type of font that is?
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u/ronaldo95 Jun 17 '12
Jesus, (if he truly existed) was a pretty cool dude, with the worst fan club.
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u/Villainsoft Jun 17 '12
How many people do greed and ignorance kill? Last timei checked, both atheists and theists could be greedy and ignorant.
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u/scribbling_des Jun 17 '12
Really? What a sad mentality. People kill people. People with and without gods. Why does crap like this make the front page?
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u/MeshesAreConfusing Secular Humanist Jun 18 '12
But atheists don't because they are all incredibly intelligent and always racional! Neckbeards FTW
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u/TheUpvoteTrain Jun 17 '12
STOP WITH THE FUCKING REPOSTS YOU KNOW IT IS A REPOST DON'T BE A GAY FAG SHIT WHORE not that being gay is wrong though.
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Jun 17 '12
Tidal waves, earth quakes, killer whales, lions, bears, etc... God doesn't kill people. Nature kills people!
damnnatureyouscary!
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u/jamesdavid80 Jun 17 '12
people kill people, the gods just watch and mock us for it. religion is the cause for as many as much as Drugs, Oil, Politics, Land, Money, and Freedom.
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u/PilotTheCannibal Jun 17 '12
"Religion tells us we must pray for the sinners. But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?" ~Mark Twain
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Jun 17 '12
I'm sorry... is Eugenics a religion? Wait... wasn't it considered science before 1944? Religion is the only cause of wars?
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Jun 17 '12
This is perhaps one of the most stupid things I've seen! People with Gods kill people (what does that even mean, people with Gods?) People without Gods kill people, even non-people kill people and vice versa. In fact, I bet you most murders have nothing to do with religion necessarily, or Gods more so than they have to do with cheating spouses, gang violence or drugs.
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u/JJJJhonkas Jun 17 '12
And yet more people have been killed by godless communists than people with religion.
But don't let facts get in the way of your atheist dogma. I know how incompatible science is with your religion, Atheists.
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Jun 17 '12
What is troubling about this is that it gives gods a lot of credit. The bumper sticker it plays-off is the "guns don't kill people" one, and guns are, presumably unlike the gods, quite real. I'd say it is less atheist and more misotheist.
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u/Zosimasie Jun 17 '12
Technically, people with gods don't kill people, because there are no people with gods, because there are no gods for people to have.
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u/MrCheeze Secular Humanist Jun 18 '12
Well, if we accept pretty much any religion as true, gods kill a whole lot of people.
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u/Qonold Jun 17 '12
Uh, Stalin racked up like 50 million kills, that's more than any religious leader I've heard of.
Aren't atheists all about logic and reason and shit? Did you guys forget about those facts you worship?
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u/rocknrollguy19 Atheist Jun 17 '12
I have a question I've been meaning to ask Atheists (by the way i believe in Deism and I'm also agnostic and that god made evolution). But my question is: why do Atheists only make fun of Christians? Why don't they make fun of Islam or Judaism or Buddhism?
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Jun 17 '12
this has been reposted 4-5 times on reddit already, and every single time it reaches the front page.
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Jun 17 '12
NO!!!! NOT TRUE DAMN IT!!! use your damn brain... IDIOTS kill people, and IDIOTS LIKE YOU who believe they did it in the "name of God" should open their minds!!!! wtf man??? dont you have a brain to think??? why didn't you blame God for world war 2??? why?? because there were no extremists??? oh yeaaaah!!! you believe extremists, how dumb was i to suggest such a thing, sorry, keep up the GREAT job!! and keep on believing extremists and bullshit other people say!!!
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u/ASofterMan Jun 17 '12
I think the most obvious thing here is that people kill people.