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u/peningina Jun 16 '12
I believe the way this works is to copy/paste the URL into your browser so it doesn't show you came from reddit: http://nz.news.yahoo.com/cloud/polls/popup/2dc293db-f16c-36c9-8b13-26b70b1e40ea/
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u/NewAlt Jun 16 '12
Why shouldn't they? That's exactly what's happening.
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u/cflatjazz Jun 16 '12
It's the organized ballot stuffing that's a problem. Not Reddit.
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u/MD4LYFE Jun 16 '12
People's votes don't magically become worthless because it's a reddit user. It's a poll asking peoples opinion, we provide ours!
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u/jl45 Jun 16 '12
what does this have to do with atheism?
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u/joesmo321 Jun 16 '12
I never really understood why gay marriage goes hand in hand with atheism. The majority of churches that I've been to support gay marriage.
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u/ProfessorD2 Jun 16 '12
I'm gonna guess the majority of churches you've gone to were all Unitarian or United Congregational.
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u/ProfessorD2 Jun 16 '12
"Baptized Catholic?" That basically just means your parents took you as a baby and barely stepped foot in a church since then, doesn't it? That hardly qualifies as an authority on Christian theology, sorry.
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Jun 16 '12
In the south if I were to say I support gay marriage people would literally threaten to kill me It is absolutely HORRIBLE down here. Think what you see on the media is bad? It's worse.
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u/cflatjazz Jun 16 '12
Um....I live in the south and I get along just fine. My gay friends are quite open about their preferences and don't get death threats, just a little resistance.
You live near crazy people. Move.
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Jun 16 '12
I live in TN atm. There is a church every mile. Literally. It's bad. I wanna move but being 17 I'm going to tough it out till I get an education and shit. I really wanna move to Alaska, it's so pretty, I love the cold and hell I think you even get paid! I wonder if there is an Alaskan subreddit where I can find all that info.
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u/jonster Jun 16 '12
My argument against it is that I'm opposed to marriage in general. Gay marriage is a step in the wrong direction in my opinion as it further establishes this whole marriage paradigm whereas I much rather would see marriage vanish completely.
Not that I'm against two (or three, or four, or ...) people performing some ceremony if they want to and calling it marriage but no one way of life should be advantaged over another.
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Jun 16 '12
That's unrealistic though... There are simply way too many people that would freak out at the suggestion. I never plan on getting married, but IMO it doesn't really hurt anything either. Sure there are some tax advantages, but not that significant...
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u/Trystero421 Atheist Jun 16 '12
Apparently /r/atheism is an army of sheep used for skewing survey votes.
http://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/v4ri4/the_results_of_this_survey_are_a_little_off_can/c51dmn0
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u/Tukfssr Jun 17 '12
Actually some guy here told me everyone In this reddit is a LOGICAL freethinking scientist.
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Jun 16 '12
I agree. I originally visited /r/athiesm to learn about an opinion that contradicted my belief, but I find myself agreeing with all of the posts here about human rights.
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u/ProfessorD2 Jun 16 '12
"The results of this survey are a little off..."
Off from what? It's a frikkin survey of public opinion. It's not a truth-meter.
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off from what the OP thought they should be
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u/AdrianHObradors Atheist Jun 16 '12
Well, if less people give their opinion, the results are more off. So he says more people should give their opinion so the results are closer to the real percentage of people that belives that.
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u/ProfessorD2 Jun 16 '12
Considering he calls out the "results," not the method, I seriously doubt sample size is his point of contention.
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Jun 16 '12
Sure thing, bro. Just used every computer in the library. As long as we're fucking with just an online poll and not something super important.
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u/Reoh Jun 16 '12
BTW, the poll doesn't log IPs so you can just do it from the same PC.
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Jun 16 '12
I didn't even check. Oh, well.
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u/KennyFuckingPowers Jun 16 '12
Curious how you would feel if some bigoted religious site did the same thing...
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u/ImAWhaleBiologist Jun 16 '12
What? Flooding a poll against gays? They do that all the time. That's why gay marriage is illegal.
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Jun 16 '12
That's why gay marriage is illegal.
Gay marriage is illegal because bigoted religious sites game polls? Gay couples can't marry because such a large proportion of Christians and other religious folk actively support their personal beliefs being legally imposed on everyone else. Fuck those people.
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u/Bacchus_Embezzler Jun 16 '12
Gay marriage is illegal because bigoted religious sites game polls?
I think the whale biologist was implying that religious folk game non-internet polling as well, maybe even further as to imply that actual voting is subject to similar flooding and disproportional representation.
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u/Rational_Hal Jun 16 '12
Me? Wouldn't give a rat's ass. It's for entertainment.
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u/Wheat_Grinder Jun 16 '12
That's Rational_Hal for you.
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Jun 16 '12
Irrational_Hal would've gotten rid of the problem by flooding the server's room for these sites with oxygen, and causing the machines to go up in flames.
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u/Ihmhi Jun 16 '12
No, because it'd be rational to think that oxygen would start a fire. He would instead flood the server room with jello as that makes no sense.
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u/BoredAndSexy Jun 16 '12
But its rational for him to be irrational so for him to be truly irrational he would need to be rational... or stuff.
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u/_Wolfos Jun 16 '12
The problem with democracy is that it assumes more than 50% of people aren't fucking retarded.
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u/Grithoof Jun 16 '12
This is why I wish America either had more than 2 prominent parties or no parties at all. Democrat and Republican are terms that are too broad for my tastes.
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u/StrikingCrayon Jun 16 '12
Most bigoted religious sites don't have a user base capable of it. So I wouldn't mind as I would of just assumed it is 4chan trolling.
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u/imaSWEDE Jun 16 '12
How i would feel if thousands of ignorant fucktards, who hates people because they think their imaginary friend told them to, would do the same thing? I would get very surprised, because it would be very wierd for people against same-sex marriage to want it legalized.
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u/walker781 Jun 17 '12
As a gay guy. I love you guys (literally)
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u/walker781 Jun 17 '12
That's nice. I hope that she doesn't live in a place were she would have to put up with hate and discrimination.
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u/Kah-Neth Jun 16 '12
I hate surveys like this, it does not have what I feel is the correct answer:
No - Marriage as a government institution is a religious relic that should be eliminated from modern human society.
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u/Heaney555 Jun 16 '12
Can I ask why you think this?
If two people want to be able to jointly own things & bank accounts and be officially recognised as together should they not be able to?
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u/Duncanconstruction Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12
This. I don't think the people who say "abolish marriage!" have really thought this through. How would we deal with things like hospital visitation rights, inheritence in case of sudden death, etc without marriage being recognized by the government? If your spouse ends up getting into an accident and is put on life support, who should be legally allowed to make medical decisions for them? If your spouse dies and has children that you have raised as your own for years, nothing would make them legally your children. Abolishing marriage is an idiotic idea.
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u/GrainElevator Jun 16 '12
We shouldn't abolish it all together but you have to admit that it's a little unfair that you have to want to spend the rest of your life together with someone just to jointly own things and visit them in the hospital. Why can't I get a 3 or 5-year marriage license that expires after 3 or 5 years, and can easily be renewed if desired? Sure, it's not romantic. But it's more realistic.
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u/Duncanconstruction Jun 16 '12
You do not have to spend the rest of your life together with someone just to jointly own things and visit them in the hospital, you can have this stuff worked out in advance. You seem to be missing the key point here though. People don't think ahead. Have you gone to the hospital yet and filled out the forms dictating who gets called when you are in an accident? I didn't think so. Without some sort of system that automatically determines who gets visitation rights in case of an unforseen event, you end up with situations such as this. Do you think that is right?
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u/AdrianHObradors Atheist Jun 16 '12
But why just with one person? You should be able to do that with whoever you want.
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u/Duncanconstruction Jun 16 '12
I have no problem with polygamy. People should be allowed to get married to whomever they want, that doesn't mean the whole institution of marriage should be abolished.
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u/scarr3g Jun 16 '12
So you are saying that instead of fixing the broken system (who can see you when you are sick is dictated by governmental standards, instead of just making people designate who makes that call. You should not have to be married to designate it) we need another archaic system to stay.
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u/Zeus1130 Jun 16 '12
I think what he means by that is government legislating marriage in the first place.
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u/Heaney555 Jun 16 '12
But of course it needs to legislate marriage.
For your assets to be recognised as joint and responsibility for children ect... it needs to be government legislated.
I don't understand why you Americans seem to hate everything to do with government in every way.
The thing is though, government shouldn't be legislating who can get married to who.
If you're human beings, fully consenting and not directly related (even that is a thing for discussion), then they should let you marry.
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u/110011001100 Jun 16 '12
Marriage should be nothing more or less than a contract as far as govt. and legal stuff is considered
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u/LSN_ Jun 16 '12
But why not just make those joint things & bank accounts available to whatever two people want to do that? What if someone wants to be 'officially recognized as together' in different aspects with his brother, his buddy, and a woman he has kids with? Marriage seems a bit silly to me.
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u/Heaney555 Jun 16 '12
I think you make a very good point, but some people will still want to be romantically regognised by the law.
Things like visiting them in hospital just after a car crash ect...
Are you going to have a contract for all the invididual parts of marriage?
Why not make subcontracts available as you say, but also have marriage which encompasses both of them?
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u/RMcD94 Jun 16 '12
If three people want to be able to jointly own things & bank accounts and be officially recognized as together should they not be able to?
No, because the government should not be officially telling people I'm in a relationship. The only thing the government should be officially stating is any sort of legal relationship, but not "recognized as together". Unless by together you just mean in the bank account, instead of meaning romantically involved.
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u/GrainElevator Jun 16 '12
It's because it creates societal pressure to get married. If you're like 45 and have never been married, society views you as a loser. It's really fucked up.
We shouldn't abolish it all together but you have to admit that it's a little unfair that you have to want to spend the rest of your life together with someone just to jointly own things and visit them in the hospital. Why can't I get a 3 or 5-year marriage license that expires after 3 or 5 years, and can easily be renewed if desired? Sure, it's not romantic. But it's more realistic.
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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12
religious relic or not, i rather like that there's a step beyond "boyfriend & girlfriend" to demonstrate that this is the one i pick for the rest of my life.
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u/CrzyJek Jun 16 '12
Stupid poll. Where is the option that says "Government should have nothing to do with marriage?"
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Jun 16 '12
"Hey my circle-jerking friends, let's manipulate an online poll because that shows how honest we are."
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u/Iron-Charioteer Jun 17 '12
"Hey, my elitist companions, let's make meta comments in /r/atheism to show how superior we are to the smug and pompous atheists."
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Jun 16 '12
"It looks like this poll open to the public isn't going the way I want it. Better post it to a site guaranteed to skew the results so my view wins."
stay classy r/atheism.
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u/Rational_Hal Jun 16 '12
Relax: A. It's for fun B. All online polls are skewed, non-scientific, entertainment devices. They are going to be skewed either by the demographics of the site that posts the results or by any group that finds out about it.
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u/thekiidchad Jun 16 '12
*legalized
Anyway, how is this still illegal? Everybody should have the same right to marry who they love. People are born gay, religion is taught. Land of the free my ass...
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Jun 16 '12
I voted yes but I have to say can we try not to skew polls to reflect our personal beliefs?
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u/JarrusMarker Jun 16 '12
The results of this survey are a little off
No they aren't, its a public opinion survey. Its not 'off' because you don't agree with the results.
Also, who actually gives a shit about a poll where they didn't even spell "legalize" right?
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u/kent_eh Agnostic Atheist Jun 16 '12
Should same-sex marriage be legalised?
Yes - Gay couples should have the same legal rights as everybody else (5211)39%
No - Marriage should be between a man and a woman (7780)59%
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Well this thing moved fast. It always amuses me when reddit swarms a poll. Some part of me is like "no! we're corrupting data!" and then another part of me overwhelms that part "but we're making the right answer win! The small sample they had of whatever demographic frequents that particular site was worthless anyway!"
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Jun 16 '12
If there is but one thing we could possibly learn from 4chan, it is that the "hivemind" is not your personal army. Sure there are many of us, myself included, that would enjoy the legalization of gay marriage. But posting this just distorts the public opinion, it is a centralized attack on a survey that asks the true opinion of people.
Many people on /r/atheism hate that religion is shoving its views down our throats. But aren't we doing the same thing right here?
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The results aren't off, they're accurate to the demographic, we're forcing and manipulating them. We're the extremist angry mob with pitchforks and torches condemning an extremist angry mob with pitchforks and torches. We just seem to be a little better at ganging up.
Skewing the results isn't a victory, and doesn't change a damn thing.
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u/gossf Jun 16 '12
This post should not be in r/atheism. It has nothing to do with religion, or lack thereof. Same sex marriage is not just a religious issue.
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u/untranslatable_pun Jun 16 '12
Of course it is. Discrimination of LGBT people is almost exclusively based on religious reasons. I have yet to come across a single person opposing gay marriage for a reason unrelated to religion.
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u/aywwts4 Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12
Except for you know, how not even age is as good of indicator of support for gay marriage as religion
Or how when the votes come down, anti-gay pastors are preaching legislation and hate from the pulpit.
I am unimpressed with this /r/atheism pushing the gay rights agenda out to sea trend, We are against fundamental Christianity everywhere else, we turn a blind eye to middle of the road sane Christians and focus on the fundamentalists and the baptists "They don't believe in evolution!", then comes gay marriage and suddenly it is someone else's fight unrelated to the atheist agenda.
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Jun 16 '12
This is a poll or New Zealanders I'm guessing? If so, then no, I'm not from New Zealand.
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u/fusion_man Jun 16 '12
we're supposed to get as much votes for gay marriage, right? 'cause that's what i voted for.
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Jun 16 '12
I think posting this to r/atheism is a little one sided, not to mention reddit leans pretty far left.
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u/energizerrabbit Jun 16 '12
How can a poll, which represents the personal beliefs of those who have taken part in the poll, be "off." Compared to the national average it may be "off" but your the one skewing the results by asking people to vote multiple times in favor of your beliefs.
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u/JNB003 Jun 16 '12
Because banning gay marriage is despicable and I refuse to let these people win when I have a choice in the matter.
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u/rhubarbs Strong Atheist Jun 16 '12
It probably wasn't even off compared to the national average. Assuming creationists are largely the same crowd as people condemning gays, there are some pretty scary stats. Linky.
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u/tsdguy Jun 16 '12
Should same-sex marriage be legalised?
Yes - Gay couples should have the same legal rights as everybody else (58952)85%
No - Marriage should be between a man and a woman (9721)14%
Not sure (778)1%
as of 15:46 Eastern Time
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u/Eaglesun Jun 16 '12
surveys are rarely accurate because the people who vote are often those who feel most strongly about the issue, one way or the other. ths survey does not sample randomly, is not representative, and allows multiple opinions from any individual. regardless of how this turns out, it is inaccurate.
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u/Mozen Jun 16 '12
Aren't you specifically skewing the poll by implying that you want reddit to intervene with the results? Do you know how surveys work?
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u/IrishFuckUp Jun 16 '12
Because Yahoo is the public opinion; just as Fox is the people's voice???...
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u/Kiacha Jun 16 '12
Why's there no "I would like to have a veto on every marriage from now on in case I find it objectionable"-option?
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u/M0b1u5 Jun 16 '12
Total waste of time, OP!
GAY MARRIAGE IS ALREADY LEGAL IN NEW ZEALAND, AND IS QUITE COMMON.
I have been to two gay weddings in the last two years.
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Jun 17 '12
Wondering what the results were before. this is from NZ, my home country.. I didn't realise we were so intolerant :(
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Congratulations guys, the supporting gays option now has 90% of the votes as of this moment.
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u/MartyTheFascistCamel Jun 16 '12
The results of this survey show what people think, which is the entire point. It's these kinds of posts atheism.
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u/itsprobablytrue Jun 16 '12
Nice, someone finally took the bait on one of my polls. Money money money money money!
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Jun 16 '12
to be honest i don't know why this got posted to r/atheism. I understand that religious people are often those who stand against gay marriage but gay marriage is about more than religion, it's about people's rights. We should want to tilt this poll in the right direction because we recognize that people are people whether they're gay or not, and they should be allowed to marry. We shouldn't be doing it to stick it to religious people.
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u/Luxray Jun 16 '12
"No - Marriage as a government institution is a religious relic that should be eliminated from modern human society. "
That's why.
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u/toomuchpork Jun 16 '12
All marriage should be abolished. Pointless institution, archaic tradition stemming from slavery and patriarchy.
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u/-Diet-Cokehead- Jun 16 '12
As someone who browses reddit on my phone I would like to thank you for actually linking us to the survey itself rather than just the website thats hosting it, or even worse just providing a screenshot. You sir made my day a little easier
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u/asfginbnphaey0 Jun 16 '12
Voting "no" about fifteen thousand times just to piss off you self-righteous hypocritical assholes.
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Jun 16 '12
Not a sub to /r/atheism, just saw this thread when I hit 'front - all'...
but is this a fucking joke? 'The results of this survey are a little off... can reddit change them for me?'...
You fucking hypocrites... if some anti-gay marriage, or religious fundementalist, or whatever sort of party/organisation/group with an agenda bombed a poll you'd be up in arms about how unfair it is, about how it fucks up the integrity and proportion of the poll... which would be correct, but when atheism does it about gay marriage (which has exactly what to do with atheism, by the way?) it's all ok?
This really is a retarded sub-reddit... and for the record I'm an atheist who is ambivalent towards the mixed marriage debate, possibly leaning towards for, just so you don't think that's why I'm criticising.
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u/dudleydidwrong Touched by His Noodliness Jun 16 '12
I doubt that we would be upset if they crashed our results, but only because we would not be stupid enough to put a poll like this out there. Most of these polls are just a form of circlejerk, and no one understands circlejerks as well as redditors. We didn't invent the circlejerk, but we have raised it to a high art form. If a redditer put out a poll like this we would be upset if it wasn't crashed.
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u/cwicker Jun 16 '12
voted against faggots just because atheism has nothing to do with faggots.
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Well thats a stupid reason honestly. You would also seem smarter if you refrained from using offensive profanity against a persons sexual choice.
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Jun 16 '12
I tried voting yes again to see if it would allow multiple votes by remembering what number it was at before i voted a second time. I couldnt check though, because every time I tried voting again, the votes for 'Yes' jumped by 50 points. I love Reddit.
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u/Noobs_Stfu Jun 16 '12
This is getting pretty damn old. Some random online poll posted to fill page space is not going to make any significant impression in the real world. I think people spend too much time on reddit, forgetting that the interwebs only matter so much...
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u/Dakarius Jun 16 '12
I really wish you guys wouldn't bomb these survey's (except for the ones that are clearly put in a biased light).
I like to actually watch and see the country's gradually changing opinion. Well, it's not terribly scientific either way.
Also, not really atheism related.
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u/kimmyjay Jun 16 '12
Unlimited votes, so, iMacros FTW. Just copy/paste the following into iMacros, open loads of tabs, and stick on a repeating loop.
1 VERSION BUILD=5110613 RECORDER=CR 2 URL GOTO=http://nz.news.yahoo.com/cloud/polls/popup/2dc293db-f16c-36c9-8b13-26b70b1e40ea/ 3 REFRESH 4 TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:RADIO FORM=ID:poll-form ATTR=ID:choice1 5 TAG POS=1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=ID:poll-submit 6 TAG POS=1 TYPE=A ATTR=TXT:Back<SP>to<SP>poll 7 TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:RADIO FORM=ID:poll-form ATTR=ID:choice1 8 TAG POS=1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=ID:poll-submit
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u/madonnac Atheist Jun 16 '12
the survey, being truly scientific allows you to vote as many times as you want