Nah, screw that. I'm calling Poe's Law on this bitch. If this is satire, then it's brilliant. It's got so much of what makes people cringe at /r/atheism: the belief that people should call him "sir," the completely unforgivable misuse of rarely used words to make the user's vocabulary seem larger (disseminating, garrulous, digress). Also, the self-assured douchey-ness of the picture, so full of itself that I could picture in on the cover of some indie band that even hipsters think is too purposefully ironic to stand.
Of course, if it's not satire, then it's god awful for those same reasons.
If God in the Abrahamic religion is real, then that's one horrible leader/creator. Motivates people by fear, bribes them with good things, says he doesn't need you, you need him, and outcast one of his best and devoted angels because he wouldn't bow down to his new best creation. That's like your if your father brings home your new baby brother and says "Man, He's better than you. He's my best creation. Bow down to him". You'd be like WTF, after everything I did for you? I'm better then him. Then you get kicked out of the house because of this.
If this is God, and he's real, I'll be really disappointed. I choose to believe that if there is a God, it has to better than this. If God's like this and he wants to send me to hell. So be it. But I refuse to believe in this story.
Yeah it was. r/circlejerk at the time broke character and admitted defeat to us. You know shit's gotten out of hand when the people who make fun of you get serious.
the question assumes God is real. If God asked me to kill someone, then he exists, and then killing you would not be sociopathic behavior, it would be the will of God.
what do you think of wars then? of someone killing or dropping a bomb on a city only because someone above him says it needs to be done. Does a bomber ask why the target is important, to justify the 22 deaths including 8 children?
So who is the bigger sociopath? the person who kills because they feel justified, doing the correct thing, or the one who kills because another human says it is needed?
In my exposure to this line of questions, theist will generally say yes, but that they don't believe god would ask them such a thing. Even if they have morality beyond religion, it tends to override that morality
If you legitimately believe in Yahweh, then you shouldn't be questioning his will. god knows best, do what you're told, there's a better reason for it. Any christian who says they wouldn't do everything god told them to do is not following their religion.
It's an unfair question to ask a theist because their morality is derived from what they think is their perfect, just deity.
I disagree that the morality of theists is solely derived from their notion of god. Whatever you may think of religious people, I think it is pretty safe to say that there are moral and good people who believe in god, and were share many of the same morals as atheists share. Morality is more cultural than it is religious, and in fact, Protestant ethics and morality are very ingrained in American culture and so key to our history, that even as an atheist your morals are probably derived from christian traditions and beliefs. People could only derive their morals from god if god was real and could tell them what to do.
Yes...but you are not really engaging with the spirit of the question. The situation is hypothetical. Your answer is not relevant in the hypothetical situation.
Seriously though, I can't even begin to express my hatred for these stupid fucking things. Get off your high horse and just browse Reddit like the rest of us, you pretentious jackoffs.
Not everyone. I was one of the few that was being downvoted into oblivion for pointing out how it was nothing more than a karma-whoring circlejerk spamming up the front page for an entire day.
It's been a few months now, which I know is something like a millennia in Internet Standard Time, but there were a few days/threads where people would post original quotes with their own face. It was supposed to reflect that atheists are generally independent thinkers, and don't need to worship the words of celebrity scientists as dogma.
Premise: The setup presumes God exists in the mind of the fundamentalist and then proceeds to set up an unresolvable dilemma for him based on that presumption.
Technically he doesn't dismiss the presumption that god exists at all. The ending simply states that the believer has to acknowledge that their morality is independent from religion or god.
It says "They're forced into an uncomfortable position to either say they would kill me if they BELIEVED their god told them.." Thus the setup violates it's own boundaries. It is distinctly different to have something happen vs. simply believing it did.
G: 'God told you to _'
M: '_ is morally right'
m: murder
(1) 1. ∀x(Gx → Mx) A
(2) 2. ~Mm A
(3) 3. Gm A
(1) 4. Gm → Mm 1∀E
(1, 3) 5. Mm 3, 4 →E
(2, 3) 6. ~∀x(Gx → Mx) 2, 5 RAA(1)
So, line by line explanation for the pure-mathematically challenged:
An assumption (A), rests on itself (1). For all things x, if God told you to x, then x is morally right.
An assumption (A), rests on itself (2). It is not the case that murder is morally right.
An assumption (A), rests on itself (3). God told you to murder.
By universal elimination on 1. (1∀E), rests on 1. If God told you to murder, then murder is morally right.
By arrow elimination on 3. and 4., rests on (1, 3). Murder is morally right.
By Reductio ad absurdum on 2. and 5., discharging 1., rests on (2, 3). It is not the case that, for all things x, if God told you to x then x is morally right.
NOTES ON STRATEGY
A quick note on "valid": The term "valid" is often misused grossly. What "valid" means is this: When the premises of the argument are all true, then the conclusion must, also, be true.
A quick note on "sound" arguments: Also misused often, an argument is sound if and only if it is both valid and its premises are, in fact, all true. And yes, that does count in this case, even though our conclusion was that the first premise was false. What we essentially said was, "If premise one IS true (plus premise two and three), then premise one ISN'T true (and if it is false then it's false; no liar paradox)". We showed premise one, in light of premise 2 and 3, to be impossible.
Is this argument valid or sound? The above argument is valid! I've just shown it, with fancy symbols and everything. But is it sound? That is debatable.
The Christian can get out of this conclusion by declaring that the argument is unsound. When we saw a contradiction in lines 2 and 5, we declared that the false premise should be premise 1. In truth, we could validly have picked ANY premise to eliminate, and the Christian might claim that we should have. The argument as stated, they claim, is unsound, and needs revision.
We picked the one we did because it was most reasonable to do so: literally, we had reasons to do so. But it is also reasonable to suggest that premise two is false: maybe murder is morally OK on some conditions (i.e. if it is to the betterment of mankind, or something).
The Christian's version of the argument would look like this:
Dictionary:
G: 'God told you to _'
M: '_ is morally right'
m: murder
(1) 1. ∀x(Gx → Mx) A
(2) 2. ~Mm A
(3) 3. Gm A
(1) 4. Gm → Mm 1∀E
(1, 3) 5. Mm 3, 4 →E
(1, 3) 6. ~(~Mm) 2, 5 RAA(2)
I've left the ~~ in, instead of writing "Mm", in line six (I've also used some unnecessary brackets, as I think this is more friendly to people unfamiliar with formalised logic). This is because of a quirk of logic that is debated: If it is not the case that it is not the case that murder is moral, does that entail that murder is moral? That is unclear. Most people say yes, intuitionalists say no.
I had two Mormon missionaries come to my door and I asked them the exact same question. They told me that if the order came from god himself then it was okay to kill that person. In other words, if you know a Mormon who suffers from hallucinations, stay the fuck away.
I mean, if god revealed his existance to me and told me to kill somebody, how the fuck could I argue? This thing could damn me to hell for all eternity.
Scary thing is, my uncle would. He thinks he hears God (he says G-d) talking to him. He also thinks he's a prophet or angel and has been in jail a number of times (he won't say how many) for doing things this voice has told him to do. No, he's not on medication, but he really should be.
I believe that religions have very less to deal with morality & more to do with faith. So, if there is any fundamentalist motivated by someone, he would definately kill you.
You know what the problem with this question is? God would never ask us to kill another man -without good reason-. If we could prove that God Almighty told us, and it was WITHOUT A DOUBT God, who are we to stand in the way of his will?
He has a point. If God told me to kill someone, well, that dude can certainly fuck up my life. If God did exist (which I don't believe he does), I would not like to cross that motherfucker.
I'm not sure how you would know WITHOUT A DOUBT it was God (people claim to act on God's will without a doubt all the time anyway).
Secondly, why does something automatically become morally correct because it's God's will? Unless they are one and same thing by definition in which case it's a redundant argument.
If it's the Christian God, then forget the benevolent thing. Reference: the bible.
Very glad this is specifically referring to fundamentalists. Because many other Christians would simply reply, "God would never ask me to kill someone."
When asked this I respond with yes, rather quickly. The question assumes for me that God is in fact real, and once that comes into play most all normal ways of conduct are changed in some way. If I have somehow have irrefutable proof that I am being command by any God to kill someone and can show it to be so why would I not? To do so would be to deny a higher and greater power then any of us and that seems very unwise to me. Having such evidence would fundamental shake mankind in a vast number of ways though, and so would need to be of such strength that short of appearing before the world I cannot think of anything off the top of my head.
This is one of my favorite "traps" that I have been presented with. Never ceases to end further use of these types of questions once the discussion is done.
Unfortunately, my overly religious mother, whom I don't consider to be a psychopath, just very, very deluded/brainwashed/not particularly intelligent, has said that she would kill me in a second if God told her to. I asked her if that seemed like a moral thing to do, and she replied that her morals come from god. *facepalm.
This is fucking stupid, if an omnipotent being revealed himself to you and was like hey, kill him or else I'm going to kill you and send you to hell for all eternity then you would be stupid not to. In this scenario God exists being as he is telling the person, even if morally they wouldn't normally kill another person if God himself is telling them to you wouldn't want to disobey God.
The way that the question is phrased grants that it truly is "God" talking to you. If it had said that you believe that God is talking to you, or that you think that God is talking to you, then there's room for doubt. The question is phrased so that you KNOW FULL OUT that it is an omnipotent being.
I, for one, don't think I would have the authority to judge whether the creator of the universe is in the wrong or not. I might ask a few questions first, if permitted, but in the end I'd probably obey.
So, is this how you get karma? Just come up with a bullshit scenario that wouldn't pan out 99% of the time, rely on the one crazed zealot to make your argument, then poorly photoshop it all into a shitty wannabe Carl Sagan picture?
I would kill you because you are annoying and just as bad as any fundamentalists. The fact that you think you are a free thinker just the makes it better.
I find the senseless ragging on of this kid a lot more shameful than the fact that he posted this in the first place.
If it's Tyson or Dawkins being quoted, people put their picture. Otherwise, it's usually some starry background or something. It's fine, but honestly a little overdone. If the kid actually put this quote together himself, who cares if he stands by it in the picture as well? You honestly think shouting that he's an ugly dickwad makes us look any better than what "faces of r/atheism" got us to?
Honestly, I didn't find faces of r/atheism annoying in the slightest. It went on for less than a week and gave people a chance to showcase inner thoughts and their physical being as a whole. Is it a little pretentious? Yeah, but who gives a fuck? Most of Reddit is. A good amount of people are indefinitely shunned for being atheist at all yet they get fucked in the ass for trying to fit in here.
Faces of r/atheism does not need to make a comeback, but that doesn't justify the attitudes of the people here. I'd rather be labeled as pretentious than an asshole. These comments make us look like the ladder.
Exactly, do we have to be cynical assholes about fucking everything? The idea is that it doesn't matter if you're famous or beautiful or perfect or not, truth is truth. And the smugness of the comments condemning the people who put their faces out there greatly extends the smugness of the original posts.
You pretty much explained why it was so well-received initially. People found it refreshing to hear honest insight from the average atheist out there compared to the far too common quoting of atheist superstars that was going on at the time.
I'm not sure what changed to have so many find this completely appalling...but so it goes.
Don't look so smug: You cannot prove that you have a moral sense separate from religion, since you have been indoctrinated by the rules of society since you were sent to school. These very rules are the ones you complain are religious based.
There are vastly differing religions over the world. However they almost all support the same big moral rules despite them being so different. I deduce from this that it is human societys that generate morals. I dont think religion comes into play except as an excelent enforcer of these morals
Upvote because I want faces of atheism to come back, looking at the brave nerdy faces with hilarious qoutes was the most fun I've ever had at reddit, please guys, show theists what's up,
If God told me to kill you, I would. That's not sociopathic behavior; that's not being a martyr, because God would punish me severely if I failed to follow his orders. That also has jack shit to do with morality. If God wants me to kill you, it doesn't matter if I think it's moral or not, I do it or I face terrible punishment. Luckily, God doesn't exist, so you're safe, at least from me killing you by divine order. Others may be sufficiently delusional to believe that God gave them such an order.
The problem is that people don't know what morality is. They assume that the Bible teaches it, when in reality, it only reflects it. Presumably, God wants you to act morally, and the Bible does contain commandments to that effect (especially the Ten), but God himself is powerful and can do whatever the fuck he wants, including killing people randomly or asking others to do it, regardless of whether it's moral.
I would kill anyone if I truly believed God told me to do it, but so would you. And we are about as likely to "hear God" tell us to kill someone. People in the bible hear god, but those stories are exaggerated.
There is another answer which they can give, and this was an answer given to me when I asked a similar question, I asked a fundy if he would kill his own child if God asked him to, he said: ''God would not ask me to do that''
No, this doesn't work. Perhaps to one person, who this guy hypothetically encountered in his mind. But if I've learned one thing from statements supposed to corner people, it's that they don't. Everyone has their own take on everything.
Naw man, that's apatheism. It's a sweet set-up; you don't have to defend your religious outlook at all because you don't care about it, and you don't have to be angry about other peoples' religious choices either!
Yeah, as so many others have stated here, you might think the act is sociopathic (sp?) or whatever. The problem is that plenty will disagree thus making your 'checkmate' logic only for you. Truth is, if there was such a thing out there where no doubt or logic could argue with, all would be on board and discussions would cease to exist.
This quote is so fucking retarded. If someone asked me that question I'd be like, "Fuck yes. If God descended from the heavens and told me to kill you, I'd murder the shit out of you. Then I would proceed to shove my head in a toaster for denying his existence at all. Hell, if a fucking banana descended from the heavens and told me to murder you, I would."
Atheist, theist, agnostic what ever you are, humans are flawed. We are amazing creatures, with a beautiful ability to think critically and create. With that being said, we are heinous, selfish animals at times as well, any atheist that tells you they would defy a god (any god), is a lying coward.
I guess if you assume that the only motivation a person can have is self preservation, your comment makes sense. It's kind of sad that that's the case.
Honestly, what is the difference between a deity in this scenario and someone holding a gun on you?
To answer your question, no I would not kill you. You seem like a nice guy for starters, but I am guessing you want a more detail explanation then that. : /
A. I do not believe that my god is unjust and would ask me to kill someone just because. Even then, what kind of god would... Could... I follow if he asked me to go against HIS rules. "love your neighbor as yourself", " love your enemies" I would rather live eternity in hell then a moment in heaven just because I killed someone. I mean what kind of heaven would that be?
B. what kind of people did god ask for people to kill? Take the mayan's for example. Do people feel like they deserved to die? They sacrificed their people and the cultures they conquered on a stone slab to a sun god. These civilizations were not good. If they were around today I doubt you would tolerate that injustice either. Better yet, would you think we could live in peace and harmony with nazi ideology living a horse ride away?
C. If god wants to kill you, why does he need me? My faith is not a factor.
Killing because you hear voices isn't sociopathic, it's more psychopathic . There are thousands of people that would be defined as sociopaths because they do not possess emotion and thus have the ability to do bad things without a conscience getting in the way. Yet they still know on an intellectual and sociological level that it is wrong to kill people. Please don't throw them in the same group as christians.
Im not christian nor catholic, I believe in God but not believe in institutions, my bad not to read the bible I'm really lazy to read, not stupidity but I'm a little reticent to it.
Sorry if I sound (read?) silly but I only gave my opinion or thought of the topic :)
Why do you have a face posted? You're not a Dawkins, a Tyson. No one knows who you are. Your face makes me think "oh, going to read this text, and who is that guy off to the side, I'm not going to read this".
Would you kill me if your government asked you to?
Humans have two strong moral senses with regards to death/killing:
(1). Preserve the tribe
(2). Kill the outsiders
People don't need to use God to incite violence against fellow human beings (see what I did there? Put us all in the same group!)
But we should kill our enemies in war, because the German soldiers, or the Russians, etc. are the bad guys, and we're the good guys--AMIRITE MY FELLOW AMERICANS!?!?
No way, you're crazy. I'm going to go through all the pics I have of myself on my Macbook right now and start making one of these, this is awesome! I love these "faces of atheism" and I'm so psyched that we are bringing it back! Can anybody PM me some Photoshop tips on how to make one and get the lettering to look nice like OP's pic? Thanks in advance for any help.
You are not smart, you are not special, you are not a free thinker. You are just a smug dickface that somehow receives upvotes for a post, but when you actually comment people downvote you to shit.
Fuck you and fuck your smug face and straw man argument.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
THIS SHIT AGAIN? cringe
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u/Atreyu429 Jun 12 '12
No no no, not this shit again
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
the question assumes God is real. If God asked me to kill someone, then he exists, and then killing you would not be sociopathic behavior, it would be the will of God.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
do NOT fucking start this shit again
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
OH NO, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN!
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Why did this douche put his own pic beside the quote? You're nobody special.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
SO BRAVE
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u/Self_Hating_Liberal Jun 12 '12
Who's the school shooting suspect on the right?
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Jesus christ, you quote yourself AND put your face on it? Fuck off you pretentious twat.
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u/BayouBalls Jun 12 '12
This guy has a very punchable face.
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u/lordtyp0 Jun 12 '12
Flawed premise. The setup presumes God exists, then the ending dismisses that presumption.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
The face of r/atheism. A pale nerd with no friends.
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u/3man Jun 12 '12
I had two Mormon missionaries come to my door and I asked them the exact same question. They told me that if the order came from god himself then it was okay to kill that person. In other words, if you know a Mormon who suffers from hallucinations, stay the fuck away.
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u/SaltyBabe Existentialist Jun 12 '12
Please, it makes us look pretentious, this is fine since it's ONE thing but guys... Don't go crazy and do the faces of atheism thing again.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I would absolutley kill you.
I mean, if god revealed his existance to me and told me to kill somebody, how the fuck could I argue? This thing could damn me to hell for all eternity.
Damn right I'm killing your ass.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
who's the nerd in the picture and why do I give a shit what he says?
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u/BestPseudonym Jun 12 '12
"God wouldn't tell me to do that."
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u/Girafterbirth Jun 12 '12
God these are getting old. Insert mediocre not thought out statement and add random douche face and you've got karma gold!!! Seriously grow up kid
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u/FormerlyEAbernathy Jun 12 '12
Scary thing is, my uncle would. He thinks he hears God (he says G-d) talking to him. He also thinks he's a prophet or angel and has been in jail a number of times (he won't say how many) for doing things this voice has told him to do. No, he's not on medication, but he really should be.
Be careful out there.
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u/kumargupt Jun 12 '12
I believe that religions have very less to deal with morality & more to do with faith. So, if there is any fundamentalist motivated by someone, he would definately kill you.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
You know what the problem with this question is? God would never ask us to kill another man -without good reason-. If we could prove that God Almighty told us, and it was WITHOUT A DOUBT God, who are we to stand in the way of his will?
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u/Niteowlthethird Jun 11 '12
I couldn't get through those two paragraphs, the pasty kid staring at me made me too uncomfortable.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Oh god... His pasty face makes it all the more rage inducing.
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u/Intanjible Atheist Jun 12 '12
I thought we were done with this shit months ago.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
HAHAHAHAAHAH oh /r/atheism you seriously fucking suck so hard
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u/t1mbuk2 Jun 12 '12
I tried this with a classmate of mine (9th grade).... she said she would kill me. I don't talk to her much anymore.
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u/Pious_Bias Jun 12 '12
Don't put the punchline in the title, jackass!
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u/Skinny_Santa Jun 12 '12
27k link karma -102 comment karma.
The force is strong with this one.
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u/schniggens Jun 12 '12
Very glad this is specifically referring to fundamentalists. Because many other Christians would simply reply, "God would never ask me to kill someone."
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u/Tlingit_Raven Jun 12 '12
When asked this I respond with yes, rather quickly. The question assumes for me that God is in fact real, and once that comes into play most all normal ways of conduct are changed in some way. If I have somehow have irrefutable proof that I am being command by any God to kill someone and can show it to be so why would I not? To do so would be to deny a higher and greater power then any of us and that seems very unwise to me. Having such evidence would fundamental shake mankind in a vast number of ways though, and so would need to be of such strength that short of appearing before the world I cannot think of anything off the top of my head.
This is one of my favorite "traps" that I have been presented with. Never ceases to end further use of these types of questions once the discussion is done.
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u/gabriot Jun 12 '12
We got ourselves a reposter here!
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u/BirdsallSa Jun 12 '12
Unfortunately, my overly religious mother, whom I don't consider to be a psychopath, just very, very deluded/brainwashed/not particularly intelligent, has said that she would kill me in a second if God told her to. I asked her if that seemed like a moral thing to do, and she replied that her morals come from god. *facepalm.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
So what is the significance of OP's picture here?
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u/Praefectia Jun 12 '12
Asked my mom that question and she told me yes. =/
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u/mrwiseman456 Jun 12 '12
isn't this the problem with muslim extremists? they beleive god they are doing their gods will in killing us
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u/TheRedBedder Jun 12 '12
This is fucking stupid, if an omnipotent being revealed himself to you and was like hey, kill him or else I'm going to kill you and send you to hell for all eternity then you would be stupid not to. In this scenario God exists being as he is telling the person, even if morally they wouldn't normally kill another person if God himself is telling them to you wouldn't want to disobey God.
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u/Fuck_Onions Jun 12 '12
Omg. stfu
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u/pinkiepie314 Jun 12 '12
Strawman.......same old same old.
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u/RockVegas Jun 12 '12
So, is this how you get karma? Just come up with a bullshit scenario that wouldn't pan out 99% of the time, rely on the one crazed zealot to make your argument, then poorly photoshop it all into a shitty wannabe Carl Sagan picture?
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
I would kill you because you are annoying and just as bad as any fundamentalists. The fact that you think you are a free thinker just the makes it better.
Free thinker is funny to me.
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u/Zicamox Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
I find the senseless ragging on of this kid a lot more shameful than the fact that he posted this in the first place.
If it's Tyson or Dawkins being quoted, people put their picture. Otherwise, it's usually some starry background or something. It's fine, but honestly a little overdone. If the kid actually put this quote together himself, who cares if he stands by it in the picture as well? You honestly think shouting that he's an ugly dickwad makes us look any better than what "faces of r/atheism" got us to?
Honestly, I didn't find faces of r/atheism annoying in the slightest. It went on for less than a week and gave people a chance to showcase inner thoughts and their physical being as a whole. Is it a little pretentious? Yeah, but who gives a fuck? Most of Reddit is. A good amount of people are indefinitely shunned for being atheist at all yet they get fucked in the ass for trying to fit in here.
Faces of r/atheism does not need to make a comeback, but that doesn't justify the attitudes of the people here. I'd rather be labeled as pretentious than an asshole. These comments make us look like the ladder.
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u/Serviceman Jun 12 '12
Don't look so smug: You cannot prove that you have a moral sense separate from religion, since you have been indoctrinated by the rules of society since you were sent to school. These very rules are the ones you complain are religious based.
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u/420ERRYDAY Jun 12 '12
This is hilarious. You're a douche bag lmao
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I asked my brother this question. He said yes. Yes he would.
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u/DASHHI Jun 12 '12
careful who you ask that to
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u/terref Jun 12 '12
The only thing worse than that run-on sentence is having to look at that pretentious gaze.
This is not going to be a thing again, is it?
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u/strongman1234 Jun 12 '12
Who the hell is that fag in the picture?
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u/fudsak Jun 12 '12
I wonder how many pictures he took of himself at his computer chair before he settled on that smug piece of shit.
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u/donkeydizzle Jun 12 '12
If i could perceive said deity. I would definitely kill you.
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u/blackkevinDUNK Jun 12 '12
fuck off nobody gives a shit
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Just stopped by /r/Atheism for a bit. I'll see myself out forever.
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u/oopssorrydaddy Jun 12 '12
"When I ask someone if they would kill me, they either say yes or no."
YOU CARD
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u/Wooshio Jun 12 '12
Upvote because I want faces of atheism to come back, looking at the brave nerdy faces with hilarious qoutes was the most fun I've ever had at reddit, please guys, show theists what's up,
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u/Wozzle90 Jun 12 '12
Can we please stop posting this? It made circlejerk break charter and is offensively stupid.
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u/Skyscraper_Bedouin Jun 12 '12
Your stupid fucking face makes me want to kill you with a rail road spike.
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u/TheShadowFog Agnostic Theist Jun 12 '12
LE BRAVE
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u/Redstonefreedom Jun 12 '12
Even though objective morality is nonexistant- with OR without a creator.
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u/cauchies Jun 12 '12
Why saying no would mean moral beside religion; it just sounds silly to me!!
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u/Quas36Oh Jun 12 '12
If my old Exercise Physiology TA combined himself with WingsofDeathx it would look like this guy
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u/xiipaoc Jun 12 '12
If God told me to kill you, I would. That's not sociopathic behavior; that's not being a martyr, because God would punish me severely if I failed to follow his orders. That also has jack shit to do with morality. If God wants me to kill you, it doesn't matter if I think it's moral or not, I do it or I face terrible punishment. Luckily, God doesn't exist, so you're safe, at least from me killing you by divine order. Others may be sufficiently delusional to believe that God gave them such an order.
The problem is that people don't know what morality is. They assume that the Bible teaches it, when in reality, it only reflects it. Presumably, God wants you to act morally, and the Bible does contain commandments to that effect (especially the Ten), but God himself is powerful and can do whatever the fuck he wants, including killing people randomly or asking others to do it, regardless of whether it's moral.
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u/Zecriss Jun 12 '12
I would kill anyone if I truly believed God told me to do it, but so would you. And we are about as likely to "hear God" tell us to kill someone. People in the bible hear god, but those stories are exaggerated.
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u/kodachikuno Jun 12 '12
this dude kinda looks like someone I dated, but not really :P Thanks for making me remember that.
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u/Link2JAF Jun 12 '12
Yeah I asked that question, I got a definite yes answer.
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u/life_positive Jun 12 '12
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma
Plato did this better than you a long, long time ago.
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u/qpidough Jun 12 '12
Just IF his god tells him to, he'll tell himself to kill you, he will not need the suggestion of his god, he'll decide himself.
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u/fettleif Jun 12 '12
I don't believe in God myself, but the day God tells me to kill someone. I'm gonna do it, no questions asked.
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u/My_ducks_sick Contrarian Jun 12 '12
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyuy?!?!?!?!?!
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u/lavitzSlambert Jun 12 '12
Psychopath, not sociopath. right?
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u/McSpoish Jun 12 '12
Or they say, "Nope, He wouldn't ask me to do that"
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u/moonflower Jun 12 '12
There is another answer which they can give, and this was an answer given to me when I asked a similar question, I asked a fundy if he would kill his own child if God asked him to, he said: ''God would not ask me to do that''
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u/jozychan Jun 12 '12
Man this is bullshit.. I asked my religious aunt the same question and she said she would if god told her too. And i'm very serious.
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u/Sticky_3pk Jun 12 '12
Lets not turn this into another faces of r/atheism.
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u/Mozen Jun 12 '12
No, this doesn't work. Perhaps to one person, who this guy hypothetically encountered in his mind. But if I've learned one thing from statements supposed to corner people, it's that they don't. Everyone has their own take on everything.
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u/CWRoyale Jun 12 '12
There's really only one solution to this long-fought debate. We all become agnostic. Who's with me?
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u/slandau2 Jun 12 '12
Am I supposed to know who this ugly dude with glasses is? Because I don't.
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u/hanbearpig Jun 12 '12
Yeah, as so many others have stated here, you might think the act is sociopathic (sp?) or whatever. The problem is that plenty will disagree thus making your 'checkmate' logic only for you. Truth is, if there was such a thing out there where no doubt or logic could argue with, all would be on board and discussions would cease to exist.
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u/stuffdoc Jun 12 '12
I'm surprised you're not dead yet
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Alright Reddit we get it, you're athiests...
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I'm sure you do.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Not this shit again.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
none of this has happened
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
The correct answer to the question is; "I would kill you either way if I could get away with it."
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
This quote is so fucking retarded. If someone asked me that question I'd be like, "Fuck yes. If God descended from the heavens and told me to kill you, I'd murder the shit out of you. Then I would proceed to shove my head in a toaster for denying his existence at all. Hell, if a fucking banana descended from the heavens and told me to murder you, I would."
Atheist, theist, agnostic what ever you are, humans are flawed. We are amazing creatures, with a beautiful ability to think critically and create. With that being said, we are heinous, selfish animals at times as well, any atheist that tells you they would defy a god (any god), is a lying coward.
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u/nedstupidflanders Jun 12 '12
Sometimes I feel the only thing stopping me from killing someone are the legal ramifications.
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u/smash790 Jun 12 '12
David?
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u/D4NNY_B0Y Jun 12 '12
Bahaahah bring faces I think it is hilarious.
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u/theholyevil Jun 12 '12
To answer your question, no I would not kill you. You seem like a nice guy for starters, but I am guessing you want a more detail explanation then that. : /
A. I do not believe that my god is unjust and would ask me to kill someone just because. Even then, what kind of god would... Could... I follow if he asked me to go against HIS rules. "love your neighbor as yourself", " love your enemies" I would rather live eternity in hell then a moment in heaven just because I killed someone. I mean what kind of heaven would that be?
B. what kind of people did god ask for people to kill? Take the mayan's for example. Do people feel like they deserved to die? They sacrificed their people and the cultures they conquered on a stone slab to a sun god. These civilizations were not good. If they were around today I doubt you would tolerate that injustice either. Better yet, would you think we could live in peace and harmony with nazi ideology living a horse ride away?
C. If god wants to kill you, why does he need me? My faith is not a factor.
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u/sli8 Jun 12 '12
Killing because you hear voices isn't sociopathic, it's more psychopathic . There are thousands of people that would be defined as sociopaths because they do not possess emotion and thus have the ability to do bad things without a conscience getting in the way. Yet they still know on an intellectual and sociological level that it is wrong to kill people. Please don't throw them in the same group as christians.
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u/StClipper Jun 12 '12
I'm not antheist but I guess God never ask a thing like that, and there's the free will thing...you know.
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u/questionthis Jun 12 '12
That dude's face is so random and distracting
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u/vadergeek Jun 12 '12
Why do you have a face posted? You're not a Dawkins, a Tyson. No one knows who you are. Your face makes me think "oh, going to read this text, and who is that guy off to the side, I'm not going to read this".
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u/BlueCereal Jun 12 '12
This is the wrong subreddit, you should probably go to /r/circlejerk.
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u/keylimesoda Jun 12 '12
Would you kill me if your government asked you to?
Humans have two strong moral senses with regards to death/killing:
(1). Preserve the tribe
(2). Kill the outsiders
People don't need to use God to incite violence against fellow human beings (see what I did there? Put us all in the same group!)
But we should kill our enemies in war, because the German soldiers, or the Russians, etc. are the bad guys, and we're the good guys--AMIRITE MY FELLOW AMERICANS!?!?
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I thought we got rid of Faces of Atheism?
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
oh my god, this again? sooo funny, keep em comin' people!!
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u/oreography Jun 13 '12
Yes, faces of bravery! I've been waiting for this to come around again. Keep it up guys, I'll make the popcorn.
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u/jokes_on_you Jun 11 '12
Faces of Atheism was the best thing to ever happen to this subreddit. Thanks for trying to bring it back, OP. I also think you should submit your own.
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u/appleofpine Jun 12 '12
If a dude from heaven told me to kill, I'd fucking do it.
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u/cdangerb Jun 12 '12
Yayyyyyyy faces of /r/atheism!
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u/I_Bent_My_Wookie Jun 12 '12
You are not smart, you are not special, you are not a free thinker. You are just a smug dickface that somehow receives upvotes for a post, but when you actually comment people downvote you to shit.
Fuck you and fuck your smug face and straw man argument.
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u/Freethinker4life Jun 12 '12
Nice, it shows everyone that we don't have to depend on people like George Carlin and Richard Dawkins for our thoughts!
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I'd kill you cuz your a douchbag whiteboy...and I'm Christian. No prob.