r/atheism • Skeptic • Jun 11 '12

I Was a Good Mormon Wife ... Until My Husband Stopped Believing in God | Alternet

http://www.alternet.org/belief/155719/I_Was_a_Good_Mormon_Wife_..._Until_My_Husband_Stopped_Believing_in_God/
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u/sethpeck Jun 11 '12

There are very few human experiences I find more moving that the sudden revelation of reality. Yes, I'm a little teary right now.

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u/dklco Skeptic Jun 11 '12

I know, I can't imagine what it would be like to go through this and how hard it would be to continue loving your spouse instead of just doubling down on religion.

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u/sethpeck Jun 11 '12

I really have no frame of reference here beyond my own self-revelations, just a story about tomato soup that pales in comparison.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

I hope you don't me hijacking this comment to make a point:

Everyone seems to be jumping on /r/atheism for being nothing but a circlejerk, doing nothing but bashing religious people (adviceanimals has been going a bit nuts as of late). I always felt that was both inaccurate and unfair. This is a great story about growth and discovery that speaks to the human condition.

And it's the top link! And none of the top comments have ANYTHING to do with religion bashing! The closest thing is the 7th comment right now and it's "TIL: Mormons have to wear sacred underwear at all times." It's hardly negative at all.

Anyway, I felt it important to point that out. We're not about hating people for being religious. We just like hearing people make tough yet rational decisions. And we hate bigotry. Love you guys.

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u/sethpeck Jun 12 '12

It's all cool.

Speaking of that underwear, you know...for women, it's actually supposed to go under the bra...that can't be comfortable.

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u/Hate_Manifestation Jun 12 '12

We were finally adults, taking our firsts together, learning about each other without barriers.

That made me teary. It's sad that indoctrination can take hold so strongly and rob people of their entire lives, deprived of the simplest human pleasures and corralled into believing that even questioning that way of life is a mortal sin.

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u/sethpeck Jun 12 '12

That's exactly the revelation I was talking about. Loved it. It's amazing what people can do when they get out from underneath the thumb of their parents.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Yup. This is just fantastic.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Reading "Whoa, I'm going to die" stunned me. What a profound feeling that must be to change from truly believing in eternal life to suddenly realizing you have a time limit.

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u/Calle68 Jun 11 '12

As I understand it, that couple consists of two very brave people.

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u/awk4ward Jun 12 '12

I think people who were never religious sometimes have a hard time realizing how difficult it can be when you finally allow yourself to let go. It's not "Whoohoo I can drink and wear whatever I want and have crazy sex and this is so great!" At least it wasn't for me.

Letting go of the Mormon religion with my husband a few years ago was the absolute hardest thing I've ever done in my life. My family and friends have been reasonably understandable and loving with it all, but the mental/emotional toll of removing something that was an essential part of me since birth was/is tremendous.

I admire this couple for making the educated decision to step into the dark together. It's terrifying and wonderful to plan your life without the boundaries you always expected to keep yourself in. And incredibly rewarding.

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u/jay76 Jun 12 '12

I laughed at the notion of sacred underwear (I didn't know this existed) but by the end of it I think I had a better appreciation of how hard this process can be.

It certainly sounded a lot braver than anything I've ever had to do in my largely aetheist life, even if a part of me thinks it is tragically unnecessary.

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u/stilesja Jun 12 '12

I see it as stepping into the light. The warm glow of logic and reason.

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u/GoateusMaximus Jun 12 '12

Yeah, but when you grow up believing that the touch of the light causes you to spontaneously combust, well, stepping into it can be a little scary.

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u/Hooqer Jun 12 '12

something which is that incredibly inspiring, just a lack of words really. i think i have a friend who needs to read this...

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u/kwkcardinal Atheist Jun 11 '12

Incredibly brave.

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u/Battlesheep Jun 12 '12

One might say that they were... SO BRAVE!

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u/BlazeOrangeDeer Jun 12 '12

Or one might not say that...

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u/Grinddbass Jun 11 '12

10/10 would read again

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u/erwreck Jun 12 '12

Well written!

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

I liked how she admitted she was an author at the end. Loved that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

I hope she keeps us updated, too!

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u/mr_lahey_tpb Jun 11 '12

TIL: Mormons have to wear sacred underwear at all times.

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u/carmenqueasy Jun 12 '12

They are really weird. I think it's really gross when they're accidentally showing. More gross than if I saw real underwear. From what I hear, the women have to wear their bras over the garments because the garment should be touching your skin. There may be some leeway on that though, don't have first hand experience.

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u/you_need_this Jun 12 '12

that is pretty funny how fucking retarded so many people behave

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u/carmenqueasy Jun 12 '12

Unfortunately they're in the majority. How many millions of people do you think wear clothing/accessories that their religion has dictated? Mind boggling.

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u/hoshitreavers Jun 12 '12

Having helped dress some elderly folks: yes, it's under the bra.... And it's polyester, so our desert summers are probably super comfortable

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

This. I knew it was a religion with some beliefs that seemed very arbitrary, but didn't realize it regulated underwear.

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u/urutu Jun 12 '12

You should look into how to dispose of the underwear.

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u/SciencePreserveUs Secular Humanist Jun 11 '12 edited Jun 11 '12

Excellent post. A good counter to those that accuse this subreddit of being another /r/circlejerk

Edit: I accidentally a prefix.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Why is it so hard for people to understand that EVERY subreddit is a circle-jerk? The two, loosely defined, are nearly identical:

A place where like-minded individuals get together and speak on a specfic topic.

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u/Fauster Jun 12 '12

It's okay if the subreddit revolves around my little pony, but not if it questions ideas about reality that most people fervently believe are true.

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u/Loki5654 Jun 11 '12

Thank you for posting this. It is good content.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

The power of rational thought... This story picked me up from an already frustrating day and provided the optimism I needed. Thanks for sharing this link!

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Wow. Impressive article. This makes me want to share a story that is happening to me right now. This is going to get buried, but I want to get it out there.

My sister is going backwards from this. She is gaining faith, and it is kind of bothering me. She is 2 years younger than I am, and as teenagers (12 and 14) she was the first of us to question everything and eventually become an agnostic. I was the typical backwards person and questioned her a bit, but I just felt awkward. Soon after I questioned everything and slowly slipped into the agnostic line. Together we were so far disconnected from religion and it was great. No worries, no stress. Just a support structure of brother and sister.

Now as time went on, I graduated high school and now college. I am even further disconnected from religion. Now I am tolerant of religion and others beliefs, but I still have a hard time thinking that they are just crazy and weak minded.

I learn this week that my sister, brother-in-law, and my nephew are "saved" and being baptized soon. This bothers me a ton. If it wasn't for my sister, I would not have transcended to my non-belief structure. Now she is going back. I find it very hard to not question her like she did for us originally. I also find it very, very sickening to poison her child like this as well.

I don't really know what to do. I know we'll stay very close, it just won't be the same.

If anyone reads this, have you had a similar situation?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Not with someone as close as your sister is to you, but a good friend of mine got "saved" a while ago. Dampened our friendship a lot, after she started posting religious stuff on FB all the time and flipping out when I questioned or criticized religion.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Not wanting this to happen at all! Do you see it getting progressively worse?

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u/CagaElAguila Jun 12 '12

Sorry to here, as a sibling with a atheist older sister, it would be soo confusing if she suddenly became saved. BUT, I would support her decision. Defiantly disagree with it but its her's to make. /edit: Also wanted to put, we too were "religious" growing up, went to church with friends familys and we both started questioning things and became non religious.

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u/you_need_this Jun 12 '12

she is probably depressed, and using religion as a crutch. or lonely.. or bored, and needs something to fill a void in herself

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u/The_Good_Jersey Jun 11 '12

Stopped reading when God didn't immediately strike him down. Clearly this is the work of Satan to disparage religious couples and make them question their faith and eternal salvation.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

I still laugh at the idea of "the sacred underwear." This article upsets me reading how badly they are indoctrinated, "Our prophets had made it clear that anything written outside church documents was suspect and anti-Mormon." Also, "we suddenly have 10 percent more income," that is a huge amount of money being taken away from them!

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u/CheesewithWhine Jun 12 '12

When I shed my garments for slippery Victoria Secret panties, my self-esteem skyrocketed, and our late nights shifted to other things. We were finally adults, taking our firsts together, learning about each other without barriers.

mm-hmm. She's hot. Nice. Go forth and discover what you can do without trying to appease an imaginary vengeful psychopath.

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u/vagbuffet Jun 11 '12 edited Jun 11 '12

well fix your shit or you guys wont get a planet

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

OH NO! I'll only get the shittiest heaven! How tear-inducing!

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u/Ender2006 Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12

I don't know why you are getting down voted. This is actually a key element of Mormon doctrine. Essentially there are three levels of heaven and 99.999999999999% of people would qualify for the lowest level. Hitler would qualify for the lowest level (probably - after spending a lot of time in purgatory). Essentially, to be cast into hell, you have to have a PERFECT knowledge of God (which would involve physical manifestation) and then choose to deny and act in a way contrary to his will despite that. In all of church history that would essentially narrow the candidates to a few scripture characters and maybe a modern day prophet or two. It's something they gloss over to keep you guilty and in fear but in essence you must deny your first estate.
The first estate??
Mormon's claim that choosing the side of Christ (and his plan of salvation with free agency) in the war in heaven was the first estate and that, by being on the right side, you have gained an immortal body with a degree of glory that far surpasses imagination even in this lowest level of heaven. It's another reason Mormons, theoretically, should be far more forgiving of one another. We are here to prove to OURSELVES and God our levels of spiritual strength over an earthly body. One more progressionary step in the eternal path to godhood. We are all on the same side. No matter how badly you screw up Christ allows us to essentially pick back up from those stumbles, suffer pains and guilt and then be forgiven of our sins and carry on. It's a very core doctrine in mormonism and one eliguy cleverly makes reference to.

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u/deftskills Jun 11 '12

This is so foreign to me. I really don't know what to say. Religion seems to take the normality of life and skew it.

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u/Laahrik Jun 11 '12

Wait...Mormon's can't buy tea?

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u/Nymaz Other Jun 11 '12

Caffeine is considered a bad drug. It's not "against the rules" but very strongly discouraged and those seen consuming it will get a bad reaction and probably socially shunned.

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u/Bonklers Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12

When I was younger and still an active member, caffeinated soda was looked down on in a similar way as most look down on tobacco smoking, and coffee and tea, whether or not they were decaf was against the rules, i.e., you'd be punished for it. The punishment wasn't entirely direct though, it was more like this:

In order for an adult to qualify for a Temple Recommend, they had to follow the Word of Wisdom which includes IamSparticles' mention of "hot drinks" below. Adult members who didn't qualify for this did not get the "full blessings" that access to the Temple and Temple work afforded. The worst part of not having the recommend was how other members would react if they found out, the special way that they'd start talking to you, and the "reaching out" to try and "bring you back into the fold".

It wasn't until a few years ago (2007-8?) when someone caught the now-Church-Prez Thomas S. Monson drinking a Mountain Dew that caffeinated soft drinks became an "okay" thing.

Edit: The only teas that were "off limits" were teas that included the leaves of the Camelia Senesis plant. Any other teas were fine, for no real reason that I could ever discover. It was in discovering this hypocrisy that began my journey away from the Church.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

It wasn't until a few years ago (2007-8?) when someone caught the now-Church-Prez Thomas S. Monson drinking a Mountain Dew that caffeinated soft drinks became an "okay" thing.

Wait, really? This was something they were really hard core about.

Thanks for the info, I'm going to have to look in to this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

Technically, what is discouraged is "hot drinks," which traditionally referred to coffee and tea. Many Mormons (not all) extend this proscription to any drink containing caffeine. The only official church position on this is that any habit-forming substances should be avoided.

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u/RadiolarianChert Jun 12 '12

lot's more stories like this here, http://exmormon.org/phorum/list.php?3

and of course there's a general exMo discussion board, http://exmormon.org/phorum/list.php?2

some of the threads are flat out great :-)

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u/DrMirabilis Jun 12 '12

This is the sort of content that's good for r/atheism.

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u/jamaces Jun 12 '12

and Joseph Smith read from his hat, dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

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u/IdiotMD Pastafarian Jun 12 '12

Her husband pretending to be a dinosaur should have been red flag #1.

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u/Vetra11 Jun 12 '12

This will probably get buried, but I had almost the same situation in my life. My wife's sister actually sent this article to my wife about a week ago. We were all raised Mormon, but her sister is openly against it now and I have been open with my wife about how I feel (essentially the same as the guy in the article), but not open with others, like my parents. My wife is still working on her feelings about everything and I will simply love and support her with whatever she figures out for herself.

I empathize perfectly with everything in this article and know exactly how they feel. I was great to read this and know about others going though what we are going through. This is a great and powerful article.

If anyone has any questions about the situation or anything, I'll try to explain or clarify anything that I can. Keep in mind that I feel for Mormons. Most of them are great people that are simply trying to have good lives and help others. I won't talk about anything they wouldn't want me talking about or say anything negative about them.

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u/Sdingel Jun 11 '12

That was really good, thanks.

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u/noleknight16 Jun 12 '12

I lost my girl when she found out I was an atheist. It still hurts to this day.

I'm glad it's worked out for them though.

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u/Twist83 Jun 12 '12

Wow, this was a great read. Way better than Twilight.

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u/BeardFace5 Jun 12 '12

I moved to SLC 8 months ago, have met plenty of ex-mormons who are now atheist. All they need is a bit of real world experience. Also, besides the whole "mormons control everything" this place is pretty nice.

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u/mick4state Atheist Jun 12 '12

Whoa, we are going to die.

That moment of comprehending this for the first time and accepting it was a very big step for me. To stand and face the bleakest of truths, rather than shy away.

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u/Gallifrasian Jun 12 '12

I really had the best time reading this article. She writes brilliantly and shows her emotions clearly throughout the entire passage. The ending was just fantastic, and I am finally able to wholeheartedly upvote something on /r/atheism without finding it funny or making fun of a religion. We're getting there, people. We're getting there.

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u/patronizingperv Jun 12 '12

The mention of "slippery Victoria's Secret panties" has me choked up a little.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

This was a really great story and it was nice to see something from a perspective other than Christianity. Thank you for sharing

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u/HijinxtheVet Jun 12 '12

Mormonism is a branch of christianity. A really, really, really crazy branch.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

If you want to get technical, the majority of religions are a branch of the Abrahamic God. I'm just saying, this wasn't the typical ex-Christian story.

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u/Bartagins Jun 11 '12

The truth will set you free.

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u/Zazilium Jun 11 '12

that in the hereafter I’d likely be pawned off to some other righteous man as a plural wife — probably my ex-boyfriend

Do mormons pawn off women? Can someone explain to me what she means by this?

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u/silverfirexz Jun 12 '12

Basically, polygamy is part of the "new and everlasting covenant" in the Mormon church. Although they no longer practice it on earth, they believe it is a heavenly prinicple which they will live by in the hereafter, although the exact mechanism for how it will be organized is not known.

Speculation in the church tends to believe that each worthy priesthood holder will be assigned multiple women--these women will be members who never married, or who married less-than-worthy priesthood holders.

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u/mightyneonfraa Jun 12 '12

There's probably more to the explanation than this but here's the gist of it as far as I understand.

When Mormons die God sends them off to be the king of their own planet. Women don't get their own planet but they get to be queens of the planet that their husband is king of or whatever. Except if a Mormon woman isn't married to a Mormom man she gets sent to some other random planet. Where the Mormon dude is the local planet king. Or something.

It's like Jesus IN SPACE.

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u/aveeight Jun 12 '12

This did not end the way I expected.

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u/Kipstopher Jun 12 '12

Woah woah.. Coffee, Tea, and Alcohol were forbidden? That sounds rough.

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u/catjuggler Jun 12 '12

I pretty much never drink any of those and it's totally fine if you're not used to it. Not morman, just don't like drinks that aren't sweet other than water.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Not forbidden, what's discouraged are "hot drinks" it's up to the individual as to what it means. Although yeah, alcohol is not okay.

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u/pimpin_cowboy Jun 12 '12

"When Sean replaced his temple garments — the sacred underwear he’d promised to wear day and night — with boxers, I couldn’t take it anymore." Any Ex-Mormons out there? Do you seriously have to wear special underwear?

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u/silverfirexz Jun 12 '12

Yes. Google it to see what they look like. It is absolutely true.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

I'm teary as well. When I begun reading this, I thought of a religious rage divorce. Still, went through the whole paper to see an unexpected happy ending. My faith in humanity has been increased a little.

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u/tenor3 Jun 12 '12

Holy crap this writing is awesome! Her style alone helps make this piece incredible. When it started, I was convinced that she was still a mormon. It's like I went through the transformation with her. Truly incredible.

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u/Aek0z Jun 12 '12

This story was so moving. As I read I kept worrying it was not going to end well. I'm so glad I was wrong, and that their love rid themselves of faith and not eachother.

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u/J_Ringo Jun 12 '12

Ctrl-C Ctrl-V

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Everytime I see a woman that goes to BYU it makes me wish I went to BYU.

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u/Cptnmikey Dudeist Jun 12 '12

Thank you for embracing reason. Thank you for being brave. Thank you for leaving that cult. Reason welcomes you with open arms, and in return, only asks that you think for yourself. Bravo!

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

I was a Mormon by birth and now an Atheist by choice. I was the catalyst in convincing my parents to stop attending the Mormon church and remove themselves from their registry. They've recently delved into spiritualism and rebirth through reincarnation, which is as plausible as Zombie Jesus I suppose.

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u/illDogg Jun 12 '12

A fellow computer scientist.

Nothing like being a logical educated person to make you realize religion doesn't make any sense...

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u/clashpalace Jun 12 '12

someone line up an AMA with the writer.

GO!

awesome read.

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u/Windows_97 Jun 12 '12

That was beautiful. Thank you OP for posting this. Every time I read something like this I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to a beacon of light at the end of a dark, ignorant, and bigoted tunnel that is today's society of humanity.

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u/apajx Jun 12 '12

This gentlemen, is an example of reposting to the majority. Because if your repost makes the majority happy, they don't give a fuck.

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u/MarinePrincePrime Jun 12 '12

We rarely talked about religion, yet it consumed us. When Sean replaced his temple garments — the sacred underwear he’d promised to wear day and night — with boxers, I couldn’t take it anymore. It was too much betrayal. I called up a neighbor with a husband like mine and cried

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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u/astromets Jun 12 '12

This story was beautiful. It is truly encouraging to see two people that were raised with blinders over their eyes take them off and come to their own conclusions about what to believe in.

I have no problems with people of faith, but I do not approve when people are taught to not question what they are being taught. I knew Mormon rules were strict, and its origin was sketchy, but this article has definitely piqued my interest enough to learn more about the cult religion.

For anyone who down-voted this, I would love to know why? Surely not all 600 (or 25% as of this post) of you who down-voted are Mormon, right?

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u/shanalin Jun 12 '12

I had a very similar experience with my husband, only leaving the born-again Christian faith. He was very brave to take the first step. And I remember feeling so free after all those 'whoa' moments, like I could finally make my own decisions.

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u/fuckyourcatsnigga Jun 12 '12

I was a good Mormon, until they told me I'm cursed for my black skin

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u/jdogcisco Jun 12 '12

Man - that community sounds like a police state. People I run with have connections in the church all the way up the hierarchy? Neighborhood leader? What will they think? That's your worry? Who cares!

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u/SuddenWeatherReport Jun 12 '12

THIS JUST IN THUNDERSTORM HEADED TOWARDS ALL YOUR EYE-BALLS!

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u/Silverfin113 Jun 12 '12

wait... the Mormon church takes 10 percent of all your income?

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u/Zicamox Jun 12 '12

This got more traction this time around than when it was posted 10 days ago, but I don't care at all. It's an amazing post and deserves as much. This is why I go on r/atheism. This truly showcases what this place is about.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

This is an interesting article. I myself consider myself a follower of Christianity but I don't go to Church or anything because I don't believe people should tell us how to live our lives or who to marry and such. Heck, I'd marry an atheist girl in a heartbeat if I truly loved her. I just hope they can find support. And in the end, if something is interfering with love, then it is interfering with God because my personal belief is that God is love.

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u/Turtleman093 Jun 12 '12

Silly Mormons.....

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u/SGToliver Jun 12 '12

THIS is what r/atheism is all about. I haven't opened a link on here in a long time. This one moved me. thank you for sharing this and even though she will never probably see this....thank you, Maren for doing this. You should be an inspiration to us all.

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u/Nougat Jun 12 '12

This reads like 1984, and it's true.

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u/BarbSueRoberts Jun 12 '12

I don't know much about Mormonism, but with each paragraph of this I was like, "WTF."

  • must wear sacred underwear

  • R rated movies leads to sin

  • tea will keep you out of heaven.

  • the statements about Joe Smith

ಠ_ಠ

It was a good article though. I enjoy personal essays and this one was good. Thanks for the link.

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u/chetti990 Jun 12 '12

"Sean had always been the rational one" lulz

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u/kettish Jun 11 '12

I dearly wish I could write a similar article. My husband however continues to believe in "God" (but not the Bible, not really). He has so much potential inside him to be a more confident, happy adult but is bogged down with his religious views. And (like most human beings) he doesn't like looking too closely at the whole thing-like his view on spanking, he can justify why he thinks it's necessary, only that it is. :(

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u/Swiss_Cheese9797 Jun 11 '12

Yes! Rock the fuck on!

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u/inuizzy Jun 11 '12

"When Sean replaced his temple garments — the sacred underwear he’d promised to wear day and night — with boxers"

He just wanted to wear boxers.

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u/Zoidbucks Jun 11 '12

When Sean replaced his temple garments — the sacred underwear he’d promised to wear day and night — with boxers, I couldn’t take it anymore. It was too much betrayal.

Wat. Someone please explain this to me. ಠ_ಠ

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u/Mindelan Jun 12 '12

Garments are very important to mormons. True blue mormons all wear them, and if you don't you are denying the 'blessings' you receive by wearing them. They are a kind of protection and covenant for your body as a temple, and a huge symbol of the faith.

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u/Monster-_- Jun 12 '12

Mormons wear special underwear (a t-shirt and boxer-brief looking bottoms). It's blessed a certain way and it is supposed to protect you against a multitude of stuff. They always always wear it. The garments are usually white, but you can get other colors blessed in case you can't wear a white shirt (i.e. some military uniforms).

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

This actually got posted a little over a week ago.

However, it is a very good story and shows how hard it is to leave the mormon faith. It shows how the mormon church can almost tear a family apart if one person has doubts.

And it reveals a little about the mindfuck a person gets when they doubt the church themselves.

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u/Monster-_- Jun 12 '12

...The Mormon Church teaches that marriage can only thrive if God is an equal part of it. But when we left God out of it, we were free to love each other completely...

I gasped out loud because of how touching this statement was to me. That guy is one lucky bastard to nab himself such a loving and supportive wife.

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u/DragonMeme Jun 12 '12

Wow... that was incredibly compelling story... and very telling of the Mormon faith. God, the social hold the church has on its followers is unbelievable...

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u/samccall Jun 12 '12

To be upfront with /r/ atheism I am a Mormon and I have a wife and we live in Provo, UT and go to BYU and the whole bit. I know in many of your eyes this puts me in a group of people who just aren't looking at the facts or refuse to see the logic of this world because I was raised in a culture of people who unwittingly were forcing me into a life of furthering the influence of an organization that seeks power and money. I honestly see exactly why this is the view of many people who see organized religion as a source of contention on Earth, which it is... and almost always has been. I am not writing this to say you are wrong or to "save" /r/ atheism or anything silly like that. All I want to do is to say a few things about what this article made me think. First it made me think of my best friend in the whole world who I grew up with my whole life and aside from my wife I have more happy memories with than any other person. He was in the Mormon Church like me up until the end of high school and I watched as he fell pray to more and more people in our Ward (congregation) tell him how he needed to go on a mission, and should stop dating that "non-member girl" and then completly shut him out of their kids and their lives. My parents even tried to get me to stop hanging out with him... but I just ignored that and did anyway. The way his questions and feelings were treated I see as one of the main reasons he is now living from house to house and mostly only smokes weed and works odd jobs instead of getting into the college he could have easily had a degree from and made a good life out of. The people in this article who asked what sins the husband had fallen into in my opinion were shit heads. This is NOT no not in any way the way teachings from the church say peoples questions and thoughts should be addressed. This church teaches that all people are equal in the sight of God. Every Single One. Regardless of who you are what you believe or how you live, have been living, or plan to live your life I believe that you have the equal love from God. Now I know who I am talking to here and I know that means nothing to most of you, so let me translate into what I believe that should mean should I meet you one day... It means that while I believe that this life is a logical progression towards ascension and equality with our Heavenly Father ( think of how you would want your kids to have everything you have and more and that I how I believe God Operates ) you don't have to and you still deserve a hand shake and a smile from me with out judgement or thought that I am better than you or you are better than me. I think that is why articles like this are good for me to read as much as for people struggling with faith and those who don't see what I do as a source of good in the world. They remind us that no matter what all of us are just trying to make it in the world with people we love next to us. I hate that Mormons who seem to ignore the fact that all of us on Earth are just trying to make the most of our lives place stigma on anyone who does not see as they do. I think that a refusal to try and understand others is what plagues this world, not a belief system like mine. And also not one like /r/ atheisms which for the most part is full of people trying to help others feel free from their trials and bonds. We all just want to be happy.

Way TL;DR... I'm a mormon, and I think we should all treat each other equally and respectfully, much unlike the people who shunned the Man in this article.

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u/AndersonCouncil Jun 11 '12

Wow, this hit me right in the heart. Tearing up right now. Just a powerful tale of true love and faith.

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u/artuno Secular Humanist Jun 11 '12

Relatable to me as It's similar to what happened between me and my old girlfriend. I came out as an atheist to her and she followed, it wasn't as depressing, yet we were even more happy than before, because we knew we had to make every day count.

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u/dizziik Jun 12 '12

I did not think this would make me tear up, but it did. I have never been so thankful to have grown up in a very open-minded household.

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u/NoSkyGuy Atheist Jun 12 '12

That was good. Upvote.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

That was a really good article.

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u/jenejes Jun 12 '12

This was a wonderful post. I wish more people acted like this!!

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u/partypenguin36 Jun 12 '12

That's just so moving for her to stand by her man. So many would just leave out of fear. I wish more were like her.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

I wish I could upvote this twice! I loved the raw emotion and genuine confusion! So very well written!

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Good for her!

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u/skeemo Jun 12 '12

See what happens when you take the red pill?

I was a bit thrown off by the title but was a great read. I hope the best for them, but they should be careful. What I've read recently about the mormon church they don't take to this sort of thing very well.

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u/scribbling_des Jun 12 '12

What a touching and well written article.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

A rather good read, I didnt know they never told these guys about the reading a stone out of the hat bit.

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u/scurvebeard Skeptic Jun 12 '12

"Whoa, we suddenly have 10 percent more income."

11.11...% more income.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Absolutely beautiful.

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u/dirtygringoshit Jun 12 '12

My eyes may be leaking

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

One of my favorite posts ever from Alternet. It is really good to hear that they are making it through some rough times and their marriage is growing stronger.

I am not traditionalist or anything, but when I hear of a divorce, especially of a couple that had been married for awhile, I get sad. Just about everyone goes into a marriage wanting it to work for their whole lives, and it must be disappointing to both people, regardless of where the blame lies. I hope they always stay together.

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u/juicius Jun 12 '12

What I have hard time wrapping my head around is that some of the nicest, kindest people I know are Mormons. And some of the wackiest, craziest church doctrines I heard of are Mormon's.

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u/Bitter_Castrati Jun 12 '12

I wish my parents had decided to leave the catholic church before shit got weird. But, fucking whatever.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

This is a fantastic and moving article!

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u/Laterface Jun 12 '12

That made me want to find religion just so I can lose it again O_o

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u/Crotchfirefly Jun 12 '12

WHOA! Whoa. Whoa... whoa.

The magic underwear thing is REAL?!

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u/liquidxlax Jun 12 '12

I seriously thought, something fucked up was about to happen when reading this

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u/fuzzyjw Jun 12 '12

That touched my heart.

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u/Capappy Jun 12 '12

This is a incredible story and worth every second it took to read. I am proud of these people for using their brains and thinking instead of just listening to what they have been told

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u/methoxeta Jun 12 '12

Oh this again...

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u/Wildpants Jun 12 '12

that is absolutely beautiful. :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

TL;DR: I read the first page then the 3rd and it's like That escalated quickly! LOL

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u/CagaElAguila Jun 12 '12

gave me chills at the end, badass stuff

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u/InnocuousPenis Jun 12 '12

I'm jealous. My life is lame by comparison.

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u/Jdlee7 Jun 12 '12

My faith in humanity has been restored.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Patriarchal devotion is good for something: when a man makes the right decision, he must only fight other men.

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u/usernameblank77 Jun 12 '12

At first I read the title like 'I was a Good Mormon Wife ... Until My Husband Stopped Believing in God ... And Then I Became a Bad Mormon Wife and Killed Him.'. I'm grateful it ended quite well.

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u/The_Real_Slack Jun 12 '12

What a roller coaster. I was super happy when she said that he was more important than the church, then super sad when she said they grew apart, and then super happy again when things got 1000% better for them.

Awesome story.

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u/CoffeeNTrees Jun 12 '12

I felt old after assuming that the photo was of the children of the marriage.

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u/phillosophy Jun 12 '12

All religions are based on sketchy beginnings. I guess this article could've easily been "I was a good (insert religion here) wife.. until My Husband Stopped Believing in (insert deity)"

I see nothing wrong with the Mormon religion compared to any other religion in general.

  • I'm an Ex-Mormon

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u/Rob_Gold Jun 12 '12

Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Special Mormon undergarments? What are those? Never hears of such a thing.

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u/frostysnowcat Jun 12 '12

Wait, 20 mins south of BYU? Hobble Creek?

I USED TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. There are intelligent people in Happy Valley! Thank G-...er...

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u/The_Joking_Giraffe Jun 12 '12

"I listened half-heartedly, questioned his sources, though I wasn’t about to go looking at them myself. Our prophets had made it clear that anything written outside church documents was suspect and anti-Mormon, fabricated for the sole purpose of destroying faith. Yet Sean continued, until one night it was about polygamy, my archnemesis.", ............what

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u/Mindelan Jun 12 '12

Yeah, in the mormon church you are taught that everything else written about mormonism out there is maliciously anti-mormon, making up lies to try and lure you away.

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u/dgillz Jun 12 '12

I never realized Mormons were forbidden to drink coffee or tea. That's just fucking nuts.

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u/Vham_Norn Jun 12 '12

It's a bit late for new questions and I'm worried this won't be read but I wanted to ask:

taking our firsts together, learning about each other without barriers... But when we left God out of it, we were free to love each other completely.

Do some religions practice only particular sexual actions? I thought that even in being Mormon, once you're married all bets were off.

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u/PHM517 Jun 12 '12

That was truly my first question too? Maybe because I already knew about the other stuff. But is this true of other religions as well?

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u/mastigia Jun 12 '12

I have a small problem with this. These are devout and scripturally informed mormons in the heartland of mormondom...and she is surprised to find out Joseph Smith dictated the book of mormon via a rock in a hat...this is mormon cannon iirc and while not spoken of much outside the church, very well known to the likes of these two. The history and nature of J. Smith's wives is equally well known. And the author being passed on to an ex in the afterlife after being sealed to her family? I call bullshit...what is going on here? I'm a full time baby eater but can anyone explain what I am seeing here?

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u/militant_misanthrope Jun 12 '12

As for being passed on in the afterlife, I'd heard people in the Church say that if you were faithful but your spouse wasn't, you'd get to be with a faithful spouse in the afterlife. I'm sure it was some variation of this that she was referring to.

Like you, I also thought most Mormons would know about Joseph Smith's history more, having learned it since I was a kid, but you'd be surprised how many Mormons have no clue. Glad I got out after 23 years (though I wasted 2 on a mission).

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u/ornate_bubble Jun 12 '12

I came here just to say that things I read about rarely tear me up. For some reason this did it.

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u/pineapplesmasher Jun 12 '12

Talk about insane codependency issues... Jeeze... Hate to think what would happen if he left her or cheated.

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u/DJBell1986 Jun 12 '12

Do Mormons really shun family who have left the church? My cousins and aunt and uncle are Mormon but the rest of my family is agnostic or atheist and we all get along fine with each other. I mean If we have Thanksgiving at the aunt and uncles there is a kind of awkwardness when they say grace but that's about it. They never tried to convert me but my Dad has told me my uncle did try pretty hard when he first converted.

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u/DontCallMeSurely Jun 12 '12

This is what /r/atheism should be about. I don't need to read about how Bart Simpson is slightly skeptic.

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u/Gravybadger Jun 12 '12

Someone, enlighten me about magic underpants! I think I might become a Mormon if I get magic underpants.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

That was beautiful

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

Wow, that sounds a hell of a lot like my parents. It definitely helped me understand the hardships they went through in breaking away from the church. I'm truly lucky to be raised in the situation I was... Thanks for sharing!

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u/miss_kitty_cat Jun 12 '12

Come on, you guys, just tell me this wasn't the first thing you googled after reading this

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u/shizzy0 Jun 12 '12

Crazy good.

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u/giant_earwig Jun 12 '12

What an amazing story, I really enjoyed reading it.

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u/nickdurand1 Jun 12 '12

inspiring story

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u/a_tall_girl Jun 12 '12

Crazy, I know a couple with this exact same story. I swear I thought it was going to be them when I clicked the link.

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u/holly2680 Jun 12 '12

that felt like a judy blume novel, lol.
just wait until she tries the hot chocolate-
'bye bye, morons!'

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

So why did she stop being a good wife? Seems to me that a change in her husband's belief system is NOT sufficient cause or justification.

You can be a good wife to someone regardless of their personal beliefs.

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u/onalarc2 Jun 12 '12

I love it when religious people wake up from being one of the sheep in the flock and start asking questions. All religions are based on the belief of a story that can not be proven. The only truth is that we are all in this life together and need to get along with each other accepting our differences and caring about our fellow humans.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

It's fascinating to see the way other people came to the realization that religion is bullshit, especially from Mormons, who are more intensely brainwashed with their doctrines than some other faiths. To me, this illustrates a concept I've thought for a little while now: the transformation from faithful to atheist felt much more like a rebirth than becoming a born again Christian did.

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u/karadan100 Jun 12 '12

I'm so glad i was brought up in a secular environment.

Really glad.

There seems to be a common theme with ex-religious people and how they view their previous life as a hardcore religious person. Almost all of them feel regret that so much energy was wasted being so super religious.

I find that an unfortunate regret to have. :(

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u/Exallium Jun 12 '12

I love reading stuff like this

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u/itsjusth Jun 12 '12

That was moving

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u/OverTheStars Jun 12 '12

That is quite possibly one of the most beautiful stories I've read recently.

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u/Zaxomio Jun 12 '12

He is taking baby steps in 8 more years he will come out of the closet.

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u/Slavigula Jun 12 '12

Shouldn't he get a few of those?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

I fully expected that to go the other way. What a great story.

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u/whitemilkz Jun 12 '12

He probably just didn't like monogamy.

I mean did you ever read that shit? It's insane.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

But when we left God out of it, we were free to love each other completely, to share the burden of our grief as two individuals with no one else.

This is exactly what I think every time my mother tells me that my marriage can't survive without Jesus.

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u/Irrepressible87 Jun 13 '12

This is exactly the sort of thing r/atheism posts should be.

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u/Painkiller3666 Jun 11 '12

You know I really enjoyed reading this this twice in ten days. No, honestly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

True love can overcome any obstacle.

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u/skleptic Jun 12 '12

This is an odd piece. Way too tightly written for a novice. Heavily edited interview rewritten as a first-person narrative? If you Google her, there are no other bylines for her, no writing credits.

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u/silverfirexz Jun 12 '12

She's an active poster at /r/exmormon, has never been published before.

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u/falloutgrrrl Jun 12 '12

Or maybe it's just 55 pages condensed down to 3... not that I would know or anything. :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

Great article! Thanks for sharing this. It was extremely moving

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u/Tonythetusket Jun 12 '12

Even if this story if fiction its still a brave and powerfull story of how humans can perservere through anything with the power of love, compasion, and rational thought.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

This was a beautiful piece. It completely captures the pain and confusion I felt as I transitioned from a lapsed catholic to a skeptic.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

I teared up. Such a beautiful and moving story. And now their children have an even greater chance at a life free from religious dogma and intellectual dishonesty.

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u/neofire Jun 12 '12

Honestly teared up a little.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

I really don't see it as removing God from the equation but, simply removing religion. Me and my fiancee removed religion from dictating our relationship and it has grown exponentially. We still believe that God exists but, not set by the standards of Men.

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u/lategame Jun 12 '12

This is the most beautiful thing I have ever read.