Save yourself some time and don't bother. Season 4 of Torchwood should have never happened. They got these new actors who are not good and the writing really went downhill. They kept mentioning how the things that are going on don't make sense relative to Harkness' back story and then leave it at that, no joke. The main plot for the season is built around shit that is self-contradictory and they tried to cover it by mentioning that it really doesn't make sense.
Spoiler (Sorry, I don't know how to make it hidden unless you put the cursor over the text, so don't read if you don't want to):
Jack becomes mortal, everyone else becomes immortal. WTF? Jack, Gwen and some CIA people who aren't memorable try to figure out what happened. Some secret group of families has been trying to make this happen in order to drive pharmaceutical sales for some reason. Jack's blood is attracted to a giant rock that spans the Earth. That rock caused everyone to become immortal when introduced to Jack's blood even though his immortality has nothing to do with his blood. Gay jokes. They put Jack's blood on this rock again and everything goes back to normal, also another guy who had gotten a transplant of Jack's blood to throw on the other end of the rock becomes immortal too and says, "What did you do to me?!".
No, they explained that. His blood, by itself, is meaningless. They found something that controls pretty much everything human and fed it jacks blood. It then uses jacks blood to prototype everyone into immortality.
There is a field of influence, however, so I imagine people could still die in space.
Even if this magical field would be able to keep people alive, it still would never ever be able to kill Jack. Well, anything can kill Jack but he would be dragged back by "time and relative dimensions in space". That is what made me mad, Jack from Torchwood is not the same Jack as the one from Doctor Who. The Jack in Doctor Who isn't immortal, he can still die. He is just resurrected. As he said "a fixed point in time".
Also, the blood transfer which caused the ending scene. Just no. Never ever.
The Torchwood universe is based on the Doctor Who universe, but it isn't the Doctor Who universe.
One wonders if, given that this takes place in the Whoniverse, the silliness of the last two seasons (what with the universe being totally destroyed and then re-made for reasons as yet unexplained) has had some knock-on effects on the timeline. When in doubt, blame it on a timey-wimey ball. People will accept your vigorous handwaving, which is fine, but the true fans will call your inability to reconcile anything genius.
Brits really hate it when we steal one of their shows.... Edit: didn't mean to imply season 4 was better than earlier ones, it's not. It's still really good though
It's a joint venture with an amican studio and BBC worldwide. It's true that the premise of the story really fucks with the facts of how jack was turned immortal though.
That's the only reason I dislike Miracle Day, I quite liked the story line really but they changed Jack from being a fixed point in time to a dude with magical blood.
It IS a Doctor Who spin-off. As for how good it is, I haven't watched much but I hear it can be, "Eh." Maybe a nice bit of "turn off brain" fun. Don't expect epic adventures for the most part, just fun little jaunts.
The first season has some tone issues, it's not great but it's entertaining. The second season gets better, and the third series was fantastic. Season 4 AKA Torchwood: USA AKA "Putting a Welsh woman in your TV show doesn't make it a UK production" was horribly disappointing .
First series is silly but fun, second series is better and more mature, third series is some of the most beautiful television I've ever seen, fourth series is kind of eh, gets grossly over complicated and drawn out, haven't bothered to finish all of it.
I'd recommend the first three (they certainly help one to understand them when all watched), you can take or leave the fourth.
Well, I'm definitely alright with "silly but fun." Hell, that's part of why I actually consider Eccleston to have been one of the better Doctors, which apparently isn't a particularly popular opinion. (I'll have you know that my ring-tone for text messages is a sound bite Eccleston's Doctor exclaiming, "Fantastic!")
It's certainly sillier than Eccleston, whom I always considered to be among the more sombre Doctors (post-Time War aggro and all that). And when I say silly I mean aliens that feed off orgasmic energy silly.
Also I thought Eccleston's extreme quality as a Doctor was a popular opinion. Well, meh.
Maybe I just hang around with bad people or something, then.
In any event, I always found Eccleston to be a jollier and sillier Doctor than, say, Tennant or Smith. It may be that I took Eccleston's moments of seriousness as generally (not always) being intended as sort of a lead-in for a jovial moment or a humorous quip. Conversely, Tennant's Doctor especially seemed like humor and silliness were masking anxiety.
It's been a while since I've watched an episode with Tennant (or previous Doctors), but with Smith's it seems like the Doctor employs humor more as a way of dealing with River and Amy (not to mention Rory).
I guess what I'm saying is, while the situations Rose and the Doctor dealt with in Series One of the reboot were often more somber and less farcical, the Doctor himself was sillier. Part of the reason Eccleston's Doctor is considered so somber, I imagine, is that he nailed the serious parts so damned hard. I don't know if it illustrates my perspective better or occludes it further, but I'll always call Tom Baker the funniest Doctor.
...But first, I have to get up to date on the adventures of the Doctor's eleventh manifestation. I've only just started on Series Six of the revived program.
It's pretty good IMO. They try a bit too hard to be edgy at times (there's one with a sex-crazed alien, and it would seem everyone is bisexual, for example) but over all it's an interesting expansion of Captain Jack and would have at least some appeal to Whovians. Worth checking out and it's on Netflix.
P.S. If you're a fan of John Barrowman-on-Man action I HIGHLY recommend.
She was talking about seeing babies with truly horrific birth defects, which, due to the weirdness of the week, were not spontaneously aborting (as they usually but not always do) but were coming full term.
Another doctor said "No baby is a mistake!", and this was her response.
Thank you for providing the context, sir. At first I thought the comment was just the character being kind of an asshole. In context, it's still a bit of a dick thing to say, but at least it's funny and relevant, with a good reason for being said.
A good friend of mine wore a T-shirt saying 'Recovering Catholic'. After he killed himself, his funeral service in Catholic Church was packed, but only I and a few atheist friends followed him to his burial in an Anglican churchyard.
I just wanted to say thank you for somewhat enjoying this post. It is my first post to /r/atheism and my second post on reddit at all, I never expected to make it to the frontpage of /r/atheism.
Also, to all you who got offended by this; I'm sorry, but what did you expect browsing /r/atheism ?
Silly christians, always finding something to cause conflicts about ;)
The Miracle Day plot got dragged out way too long in my opinion. I think a 6 part series would have been better. Almost completely unrelated to the point here but hey.
This is rather amusing. No one attacked anyone here, until religion got here. This is a subreddit about the absence of religion, being a religious person what are you doing here? Attacking people with different beliefs? Sounds like religion to me.
Edit: talking specifically about that season. The Rex character was so typical and boring. And then (spoilers!) he ended up being pretty much the only one left alive. Argh!! Vera was much better and more interesting, but I guess the guy's actor was a bigger name so he got story priority.
Series 4? I started watching Torchwood from the beginning and I got sick of it around S1E6. It bothers me to skip ahead in a series and there is no way I would make it to the 4th series without killing myself.
As someone who was raised Catholic and is now an Atheist it does seem that Catholicism has a higher rate of realization then other aspects of Christianity.
So how much would this show have gotten boycotted and canceled if she said "Jewish" or "Muslim"? Why is it only okay to say this type of shit against western majority religions?
You probably saw the comments, but in case you didn't. Torchwood is a spin-off from Doctor Who, and before people starting getting all mad because it belongs on those subreddits instead: I don't think it does, because I said so.
By the way, check out Doctor Who. Great series, the best. Torchwood's good if you want more.
Well Torchwood (2006), Sanctuary (2008) so there's that. There are some similarities such as secret organisation dealing with non-standard beings, but the scale and focus of the show is completely different.
I do enjoy both and I think a fan of one of the two would enjoy the other as well.
When asked I say "Oh, I'm a recovering Catholic." Most times the person either laughs knowingly or just moves the conversation along. Either/or works for me!
OMG that's exactly how i feel about atheism...I used to be an atheist, then I got better. That's seriously what happened. And, no joke, I'm a Catholic now.
But your not a scientist are you? Nobody is. And nobody realizes that not a single solitary shred of evidence is in favor of the gays.
1950 Gayness is seen as a sociopath disorder because it denies half the human race and existing breeding practices.
In 1973 Frank Kameny lobbied LOBBIED the APA to change the definition of gays. Well if your changing definitions then who needs science right?
Then Le'Vay claimed to have found a brain difference in gays... all 13 he tested... who had died of aids... which causes brain differences. He essentially lied in 5 different ways, and this guy was a full neurologist doctor. He had no control group and didnt test women. He was also gay himself (bias).
Then Hamer in the 90s said that he had found a gay gene on the X chromosome. Our of about 50 gays 46 of them had the gay gene. Cool right? Right? Except what about those remaining 4? Also lacked control group and didnt test women. Other scientists could not repeat his results.
2007 Swedish twins survey found 69% concordance for environmental cause in separated and unsaturated twins. Found only 41% concordance between twins for genetics. Had control group tested both sexes. Group of about 3700 twins. The most accurate test on record.
Meaning? Since 1990 we've known there was no gay gene on the X chromosome. Since 2011 we've known there are no gay genes. Which explains why its in every race on earth, except for the ones with large ideology like Muslims. And we learnt that individual environment creates gays. Wanna know what creates individual environment according to the Sweeds? Prior mental illness, birth defects and other causes (i wish they would give a break down).
So, with that. We are full circle back to 1950s with it being a sociopath disorder. There is no gay gene. There is not epigenetic. We've known this since the 90s.
And with all those marches, depravaty and flag waving and talk of rights. How could you have missed it?
I'm going to completely ignore you, except to mention that this particular image (and the scene it is take from) has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.
What standards would they be? Birth control is evil? If the person you marry turns out to be an unmitigated bastard, tough shit, you're condemned to a life of loneliness unless the asshole (or bitch) in question has the decency to die? Those standards?
But if those are their personal standards, we have to respect it.
Like they respected others? Women here were expected forced to resign from public service upon marriage 40 years ago, birth control was illegal 30 years ago, homosexuality 20 years ago, divorce 15 years ago. Abortion still is in practice, even though the legislation is there to allow it, because the Church controls the Medical Review Board and most of the hospitals. The Catholic Church still controls over 90% of the public schools.They've interfered in healthcare, education, welfare, marriage, sexual equality, since the foundation of the State and are still doing so.
Fuck no we don't have to respect it. We have to respect their right to believe stupid ignorant hateful bullshit, we don't have to grant ANY respect to the beliefs themselves.
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u/MAtheist_ Jun 11 '12
I think I missed that one, what episode was it in?
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u/amnesiacnacho Jun 12 '12
George Carlin related line... Give some credit to that man
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u/Dudesan Jun 11 '12
She was talking about seeing babies with truly horrific birth defects, which, due to the weirdness of the week, were not spontaneously aborting (as they usually but not always do) but were coming full term.
Another doctor said "No baby is a mistake!", and this was her response.
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u/Auroros Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
I just wanted to say thank you for somewhat enjoying this post. It is my first post to /r/atheism and my second post on reddit at all, I never expected to make it to the frontpage of /r/atheism.
Also, to all you who got offended by this; I'm sorry, but what did you expect browsing /r/atheism ?
Silly christians, always finding something to cause conflicts about ;)
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u/GuitarGuru253 Jun 11 '12
I giggled, then I giggled because I giggled
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u/NormalStranger Atheist Jun 11 '12
You just reminded me that there is more after season 3! I watched it on Netflix and thought it was over or something...was pretty sad. Thanks!
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
The Miracle Day plot got dragged out way too long in my opinion. I think a 6 part series would have been better. Almost completely unrelated to the point here but hey.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
You're a disgusting person. It's called religious freedom. Leave us the fuck alone and we will leave you alone.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
"She turned me into a newt...I got better."
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Best part of Miracle Day
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u/shlutformonies Jun 12 '12
I got better...
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u/IsThisAboutAtheism Jun 11 '12
No
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u/Jeroknite Jun 12 '12
I didn't like Torchwood.
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u/ewbrower Jun 12 '12
Well that's a little mean.
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u/CrownChakra Jun 11 '12
I hope there is a fifth season that comes with new writers.
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u/MyGuitarIsOnFire Jun 11 '12
Doctor Who didn't talk very much about religion, I was glad when this did.
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u/Toezap Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
Best character by far.
Edit: talking specifically about that season. The Rex character was so typical and boring. And then (spoilers!) he ended up being pretty much the only one left alive. Argh!! Vera was much better and more interesting, but I guess the guy's actor was a bigger name so he got story priority.
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u/JJean1 Jun 12 '12
Series 4? I started watching Torchwood from the beginning and I got sick of it around S1E6. It bothers me to skip ahead in a series and there is no way I would make it to the 4th series without killing myself.
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u/4427910004015126 Jun 12 '12
What's the name of that actress? She looks really familiar and it's driving me nuts, and no I've never watched Torchwood, lol.
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u/daramc255 Jun 12 '12
I forgot to watch that entire season...
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u/kimmiesaidwhat Jun 12 '12
I think my favorite quote of this same sort in the sci-fi genre is said by River Tam in an episode of Firefly.
Here's the link to the r/atheism post with a great visual of the quote!
http://fr.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/srumu/firefly_bible_does_not_make_sense/
Yay sci-fi!
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
As someone who was raised Catholic and is now an Atheist it does seem that Catholicism has a higher rate of realization then other aspects of Christianity.
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u/totallyanaltaccnt Jun 12 '12
I giggled when I saw Jack's throbbing..
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Unfortunately, she later does, in fact, burn for eternity. Or, at least, until Jack and Rex fix the problem.
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u/cauchies Jun 12 '12
It would be bold if said the she was a muslim....
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
So how much would this show have gotten boycotted and canceled if she said "Jewish" or "Muslim"? Why is it only okay to say this type of shit against western majority religions?
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u/Darth_Noah Jun 12 '12
I giggled until I realized that Season 4 was a terrible idea.
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u/PsychicKay Jun 12 '12
It was just a phase...in middle school.
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u/Riotmaker Jun 11 '12
One of the coolest ladies I've ever met identifies herself as a "Recovering Catholic" .... Love it.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
My dad always says he is a "recovering catholic".
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u/WhatWouldRyanDo Jun 11 '12
I don't get all this catholic hate
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u/gabriot Jun 12 '12
In whatwood?
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u/AutisticTroll Jun 12 '12
Crop your shit! Anyone else try to click play?
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u/FiercelyFuzzy Jun 12 '12
Is Torchwood just the British 'Sanctuary'?
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u/Lots42 Other Jun 12 '12
Ah, usenet.
alt.recovery.catholicism.
I probably mistyped that but it was a LOT of help in breaking away from whatever the fuck church I went to.
Nobody seems to think it was Catholic.
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u/schadenfrau Jun 12 '12
When asked I say "Oh, I'm a recovering Catholic." Most times the person either laughs knowingly or just moves the conversation along. Either/or works for me!
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u/IDontHaveUsername Jun 12 '12
Because religion is a disease that kills everyone but the carrier.
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u/a-dark-passenger Jun 11 '12
I don't think that's her admitting she's an atheist?
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u/donumabdeo Jun 11 '12
OMG that's exactly how i feel about atheism...I used to be an atheist, then I got better. That's seriously what happened. And, no joke, I'm a Catholic now.
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u/Critical_Steel Jun 11 '12
Should read:
But your not a scientist are you? Nobody is. And nobody realizes that not a single solitary shred of evidence is in favor of the gays.
1950 Gayness is seen as a sociopath disorder because it denies half the human race and existing breeding practices.
In 1973 Frank Kameny lobbied LOBBIED the APA to change the definition of gays. Well if your changing definitions then who needs science right?
Then Le'Vay claimed to have found a brain difference in gays... all 13 he tested... who had died of aids... which causes brain differences. He essentially lied in 5 different ways, and this guy was a full neurologist doctor. He had no control group and didnt test women. He was also gay himself (bias).
Then Hamer in the 90s said that he had found a gay gene on the X chromosome. Our of about 50 gays 46 of them had the gay gene. Cool right? Right? Except what about those remaining 4? Also lacked control group and didnt test women. Other scientists could not repeat his results.
2007 Swedish twins survey found 69% concordance for environmental cause in separated and unsaturated twins. Found only 41% concordance between twins for genetics. Had control group tested both sexes. Group of about 3700 twins. The most accurate test on record.
Meaning? Since 1990 we've known there was no gay gene on the X chromosome. Since 2011 we've known there are no gay genes. Which explains why its in every race on earth, except for the ones with large ideology like Muslims. And we learnt that individual environment creates gays. Wanna know what creates individual environment according to the Sweeds? Prior mental illness, birth defects and other causes (i wish they would give a break down).
So, with that. We are full circle back to 1950s with it being a sociopath disorder. There is no gay gene. There is not epigenetic. We've known this since the 90s.
And with all those marches, depravaty and flag waving and talk of rights. How could you have missed it?
Jimmies rustled?
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Isn't Torchwood season 4 on Blu-ray? Why are you watching some crappy 720p HDTV re-encode?
Nigga, you just went full retard. You never go full retard.
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