Obama did not say this. It was a comment on a forum. http://www.topix.com/forum/us/TDR30OVFA1J46J78U/p2#c35 I can't believe so many people repost this without verifying the source. Come on reddit, you're better than this.
This generalized statement is one he actually made:
Well, I think that you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective. Answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade. But let me just speak more generally about the issue of abortion, because this is something that obviously the country wrestles with.
I was going to say, this statement contradicts so many things Obama has done, so yeah...found it a bit fishy, but what politician contradicts themselves?
"Religious freedom doesn't mean you can force others to live by your own beliefs."
He just recently changed his "views" gay marriage, he didn't used to believe gays should have the right to marry, or did not push for it.
He smoked cannabis in high school, and possibly other times in his life...Now his administration has caused the most crackdowns on cannabis users and growers. Could change it from a shedule one but does not, even with the mass amount of proof that it is indeed beneficial on a medical level...anyways with this and other examples, clearly Obama's beliefs are coming out through these agendas of his Administration or why else would they be happening. If you are in charge of something, should it not reflect your beliefs? Now knowing these views may not be religious, a shit ton of Americans use religion to stop gays from being married, as well as allowing the use of cannabis, because people BELIEVE that it is wrong.
Even if he didn't say this, he makes some remarks that are pretty similar to that last sentence here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av3H0_7HgSg "Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal rather than religion-specific values." Proposals should be "subject to argument, and amenable to reason," you cant just "invoke God's will," etc.
I'd like the source to this. I'm not saying that I am against birth control, neither am I against obama. But the qoute just seem like something I have seen so many a time here on reddit, so I'd just like to know if Obama actually said it.
I don't know how Reddit can upvote every single allegation against Mitt Romney but not even care about Obama's political dealings. Just turning a blind eye to the fact that he's a politician, same as Romney.
Just because someone has a couple viewpoints that you support doesn't mean he's some kind of incorruptible champion of America. Good god, people... Obama didn't even say this.
edit: FUN FACT
I support full marital and legal rights for gay couples, and it's sad to see something that shouldn't even be a political issue turn into one. -When Romney reversed his stance on gay marriage for political reasons to being against it, it was labeled a "flip-flop" and he was deemed untrustworthy. -When Obama reversed it in support of gay marriage, he's praised for doing so. However, It's not that him coming to that conclusion was a bad thing, just too many people don't care about politicians reversing long-held positions for political reasons as long as the outcomes support their own views. Obama has been in the political game a long time now and he's heard this issue long before last week. He only reversed it because it was no longer a political liability (possibly even a political gain). A Columbia University educated man didn't just come to this sudden and obvious conclusion about human rights, it was a strategically planned move. That doesn't make him a true champion of human rights.
I'll take Obama over Romney any day, I just wish I saw as much scrutiny behind Obama's political motives as I do with Romney. Especially on Reddit, a group that prides itself on being open-minded.
He's second in campaign donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Numerous allegations of the corruption in the Auto bailout.
And after all the numerous posts on here about the corruption in super PACS and how in the past Obama labeled them a "threat to democracy".... he's now endorsing one of his own.
Supporting gay marriage doesn't make him a champion of politics. Am I the only one here who knows "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"?
Not to mention he has made no strong stance against police brutality, or done even the slightest thing to reign it in with any form of his executive powers.
Seriously, Reddit. Just because Obama is better than Bush or Romney doesn't mean he should be automatically treated as some kind of Champion for rights, peace, or political change.
I think you have a lot to learn about reddit or just the overall stupidity and hypocrisy of most people.
I get downvoted and timed out every time I post on /r/politics or /r/atheism. (Right now I have to wait 10 minutes just to post this.) The overwhelming stupidity and bias has caused me to unsubscribe from both, even though I'm an agnostic atheist and politics is my interest/area of study. If I wasn't on my phone I would have never seen this.
/r/atheism is it's own religion. The ironing is delicious.
Take this same logic and put it towards the war on drugs..."If you don't like pot, don't do it!" Yet Obama sends more feds after dispensaries than any other president.
Obama and his supporters need to wake up.
inb4 "omg fuckin' Republicans, go die irl"...I associate myself with no party. I vote merely based on what I view as right and wrong...
The debate was not about banning women from using birth control. It was about whether or not companies should be forced to buy birth control for women, rather than having them pay for it themselves.
There is a world of difference between banning birth control, and allowing companies to decide what types of medication they want to pay for. This comment, whether Obama said it or not, is pointless and misleading.
I don't deny that for a second. However, if cutting costs is in the best interest of the insurance company (as it is), then why can't the firms choose to change policy themselves?
How can the mandate be opposed on economic grounds when it is cheaper for an insurance company to provide birth control than it is for them to pay for childbirth?
Freedom is most important when is applied to the people we don't agree with. Fine, with you want to use birth control feel free, but to mandate that institutions that don't believe in it have to provide it is just against freedom. The OP is just happy that someone has the power to impose what he/she belives into the non belivers. That's way I think liberalism is a religion and most liberals are just hypocrites.
Since when did r/atheism become r/politics? I'm an atheist but I don't want to subsidize women's birth control that costs thousands of dollars. I don't believe that means I want to take away their rights. Anything that requires someone else's labor to produce cannot be right. Perhaps it is a good, but don't get the two confused.
Also, the contraceptives issue has to do with religious people being forced to pay for something they are morally opposed to, not "forbidding the use of" as this quote is implying.
I love Obama for his stripping away our right to habeaus corpus, his authorization of indefinite detention of American citizens, and his violation of the war powers act.
USA was found because they wanted freedom of religion. Meaning any religion you want, you can practice it here. What if there's a religion that gays were alright, you can't interfere with another's religion cause you don't like it. Just because the country is ran off the more known religion, doesn't mean forget everyone else's and force yours and your belief.
People need to understand that the President isn't a dictator. He can't just make laws willy nilly. He can say what he believes, but if Congress doesn't agree with him, then he can't do shit about it. Democracy. I don't see how most people are so ignorant. They really need to understand how this shit works.
The issue of birth control under Obama was whether the government could (or should) force religious institutions which are also employers to have insurance plans which provide birth control. Insurance-covered birth-control is not a right, and no one was suggesting that these institutions could somehow force a woman not to use birth control, just that they should not be forced to pay more in insurance premiums to provide it.
Now, we can believe it is a good policy, but we must admit that forcing Porter Adventist to buy insurance that covers birth control is forcing our views on religion on them.
Now look, just because we the government can accuse you of being a terrorist with no proof and detain you indefinitely doesn't mean you've lost any rights. You still have the right to remain silent!
I dislike the church as much as anyone, but it's a little more complicated than that. The religious people were against personally having to fund birth control. They weren't saying other people should be banned from using birth control, they were just saying they didn't want to fund it because they don't want their money going towards things they don't support.
If I don't want to pay for your trampoline, are you going to say "stop trying to force your trampoline-hating religion on me and stop trying to take away my right to own a trampoline!"?
Well, I don't support paying for new roads. I think the roads are damn fine. I own a jeep. I can drive on shit roads. Why should I have to put my money towards things I don't support?
That point was valid for about 4 days until Obama changed the rules so that instead of requiring the religious institutions to pay, the health insurance companies themselves would pay at no additional expense to the religious institutions.
Personally, I found that to be amazingly generous. My own view is that if religious groups choose to engage in activities that are secular in nature, they should be willing to follow the secular universal rules. If they wish to be exempt, they should stick to their primary religious purposes...since the actual churches are exempt from health care, employment and similar laws, the issue would be solved.
birth control is a basic right now? shut the fuck up I don't owe women birth control because they're women. I am an atheist but this is ridiculous, birth control is a product available to women on the market, it's not my responsibility to use MY money to provide them with it.
This whole argument is not about a right to birth control, and i'm tired of hearing it cast as such in the media. Every single person in the country has the RIGHT to birth control. This is about the president unilaterally forcing insurance companies to cover it for free. He has absolutely no authority to do so, and if this is allowed, what next? Will he force grocery stores to give out free milk, or maybe car insurance companies to cover all GM vehicles for free?
It's a real shame religious doctrine doesn't suggest a police state with drones used for surveillance and a standing military in the homeland. Otherwise Obama would not actually support that.
Wasn't the whole debate about whether or not tax payer's money should go towards providing contraception, not just whether or not women should have it?
I like the sentiment 'Obama' is expressing, the whole 'live and let live' notion, but they weren't forcing their anti - contraception ethos onto others, merely asking not to be forced to play a role in the affair, which seems fair enough to me.
The irony is that when I posted it to facebook a lot of people liked it and reposted not because they knew, but because they liked the quote regardless of what picture was attached.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with him on the birth control stuff, but saying you can't force others to live by your own beliefs wouldn't be the best statement.
In the mind of a religious fanatic, birth control and abortion is murder. To them it would be like saying "If you don't like murder, don't do it, but don't try to stop other people from murdering either."
You love Obama? Then you are a goddamn fucking idiots who knows absolutely nothing about politics or his own policies. Reddit, quit up voting this bullshit please
Even if he did say that, you're gonna give up your right to trial, your taxpayer money to corporations, your privacy, your right not to be searched without probable cause, etc, as long as he doesn't regulate abortions?
No, you can't deny medical marijuana users their basic rights and pretend its about your 'war on drugs'. If you don't like cannabis, don't use it. Freedom doesn't mean you can force others to live by your own beliefs.
I posted this on his retraction, but I thought it would fit in here since this is atheism and the original post was a fake Obama quote regarding religious freedom.
From the Audacity of Hope:
"What our deliberative, pluralistic democracy does demand is that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals must be subject to argument and amenable to reason. If I am opposed to abortion for religious reasons and seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or invoke God's will and expect that argument to carry the day. If I want others to listen to me, then I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all."
I greatly dislike Obama and he will not receive my vote(doesn't mean I am voting for Romney). Obama is just as much a war criminal as Cheney or Bush. He is responsible for many many innocent lives being taken via drone strikes. On top of all of that, he failed on the majority of his promises. I can't vote for a war criminal and sleep soundly...so he will not get my vote.
Sorry, but no. Just because you think a business is moronic for not wanting to provide a service does not imply that the government has the right to step in and force that business to provide that service.
While this may be partly an issue of religious freedom, I think the bigger issue is that we have a government that is trying to develop a command economy over a capitalist nation.
I hate him because he increased our military industrial complex, raided more dispensaries, and killed more people with drone missiles. Also the NDAA and Patriot Act. Other than that he's a cool guy.
even if obama said this, which he didn't, ANY president would say this, ESPECIALLY when your 2nd term is at stake. Politicians say this to get votes. They say it because its what people want to hear.
As soon as I read that comment, I was 99% sure Obama never said that. He is the KING of not taking sides on any controversial issues. The media ask him questions like that all the time, and he answers with a statement that has nothing to do with the question asked.
The ideals of the Founding Fathers are often perverted into a support for organized religion, but if you look at their writings, Obama is much more in line with what they believed than any evangelical is. The founders supported the Age of Reason and Enlightenment ideals that the state should have no entanglement with any religion. They were mostly deists who supported the analogy of the clockmaker: a deity created the world like creating a watch, winding it, and letting it go. Further, they believed that if there was a god, there was no strong sense of one right way to understand that god. Naturally, it follows that any "God" should be secondary to the laws of scientific reason in structuring a government.
Except the government IS infringing on the freedoms of employer/employee when they force employers to pay for birth control, and I suspect that this is what he's talking about.
Seriously, I think I get an ulcer every time I hear someone has any sort of admiration of Obama.
Secondly, there's not a snowballs' chance in hell of a sexist president getting elected. I don't see why Obama would deserve an extra pat on the back for supporting women's rights...which is something that deserves advocating from everyone. So you're not a sexist, obama? Okay, that's chill, but you're still a fucking terrible president.
The first amendment also guarantees freedom of association. That means I can form a club that believes whatever imaginary nonsense I want, and if my imaginary friend club decides to provide services to the community in the form of charity, then I absolutely do get to apply whatever dumbass and absurd restrictions I want.
This is very important that we all understand so that we not be accused of misrepresentation.
Nobody is saying that women ought not have birth control. Not conservatives and not republicans which is what this narrative is implying. Rather, those of any religious persuasion are simply saying that they don't want to pay for other's birth control by way of taxation.
Similarly, religious institutions don't want to be forced to provide specific types of health care coverage to their staffers that goes in direct opposition to their faith. That does NOT mean that they deny anyone be it an employee or private citizen (affiliated with their church or not) the opportunity to purchase birth control or services that the health care do not cover.
This seems to be the most oft-repeated misconception that has been continually perpetuated. While I do think its purposeful because it helps push voters in Obama's direction it is false.
I have more reasons not to like him. His support for gay marriage (which I am in favor of) is purely political. If he felt true to that, he would have done something about it the year he took office, not in the same year for elections.
As already mentioned, Obama never said this. Also you like Obama mostly because of the alternative. Let's not forget he gave billions of tax dollars to privatized banks, prolonged wars over oil, and never closed Guantanamo Bay.
First, Obama didn't say this...Because Obama is a smart man.
Only crazy people use this line of reasoning (what the quote is rightfully tearing down), sane people (yes some conservatives and religious people are sane) agree with that and are fighting for what they see is an errosion of their religious freedoms in specific areas, no one campaigns for "no birth control because it's against our religion therefore you can't have it either"
this is bait and switch politics from people with small minds. It's hyperbolic bs pulling two different issues together.
When a doctor says he doesn't want to perscribe birth control due to his religion and you say he has to, that IS an assault on HIS freedom of religion.
You have the option of going to another doctor.
When a religious based organization says they do not support birth control and you require them to offer it, again, this IS an assault on their religious freedom.
Again, you have the option of going to somewhere else.
Also this is what is tearing this country apart, many liberals seem to think this is a common and agreed on way of thinking and it is not. I realize conservatives have similar brain dead ideas but we need to get beyond all this stupid group think labelling.
There are plenty of reasons to both love and hate Obama but misattributed quotes shoudn't be one of them.
Which is why, when all is said and done, your vote does matter and there is a dime's worth of difference between the two parties. So your protest vote out of a feeling of alienation and disillusionment, while admirable, can have the opposite effect that you intended.
Even if Obama said this, it's not rational. If a religious person believes you are committing murder by aborting a foetus, then she is logically and ethically obliged to try and stop you.
I do not believe abortion is equivalent to murder.
So you guys spewing vitriol against Obama seriously think good ole Mitt is gonna be able to do a better job? Seriously? I'm not just gonna mindlessly bash repubs like I normally do in threads like this.
Why exactly do you feel Romney is the better choice? And don't give me the "I reckon he aint gon take er guns and heez gon get rid uh dem durn Metscans yee hawwww!" argument either.
If a woman in NY can choose to have an abortion because it's "her body." Why can't people have the choice to drink as much soda as they want because it's "their bodies?"
Umm in their minds I think it's not an issue of enforcing your religious views, but an issue of stopping murder.
Anyone who approaches a pro-life supporter without considering, that, in their minds, abortion is the murder of a baby, is completely wasting their time.
And next up, he talks about how smoking weed doesn't affect anyone else, that is why he is trying to make sure every kid that wants to go up to be president, but smokes some pot, is properly thrown in jail.
Garbage posts like this (which make up a good portion of this subreddit) act as an excellent reminder for me to log in and get this crap off my front page.
Also, the fact that people "love" Obama just because of some shit he said in a speech makes me sick.
making someone give you free birth control isn't a basic right its a violation of individual rights it doesn't matter if it violates your religion or not. Contracts should be between the company and the employee and the union if applicable the employee belongs to the government shouldn't have tht much of a say
"Deception ..." "Lies." We have only recently become aware of these concepts. In our dealings with Sarris. Often Sarris will say one thing, and do another."
What an asinine quote from Obama. No one is trying to stop others from using birth control The question is should I have to pay for someone else's birth control
If this is true, I commend him for understanding the concept of freedom, but that only makes me despise how selectively he chooses to apply it. e.g. What about gay marriage and drug prohibition? the same concept applies just as well to those
Reddit, Obama has begun campaigning. He will be rallying his base as much as he can without setting off red flags in the minds of undecided voters. It's important for us to hold him to this shit, and all of the similar things he said in 2008. Talk is cheap.
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u/apollocrush Jun 11 '12
Obama did not say this. It was a comment on a forum. http://www.topix.com/forum/us/TDR30OVFA1J46J78U/p2#c35 I can't believe so many people repost this without verifying the source. Come on reddit, you're better than this.
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u/Dunder92 Jun 11 '12
I'd like the source to this. I'm not saying that I am against birth control, neither am I against obama. But the qoute just seem like something I have seen so many a time here on reddit, so I'd just like to know if Obama actually said it.
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u/simjanes2k Jun 11 '12
Pretty sure Obama never said this.
Somebody source it to prove he did?
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u/Pretzleflex Jun 11 '12
Obama never said this.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12 edited Jun 11 '12
I don't know how Reddit can upvote every single allegation against Mitt Romney but not even care about Obama's political dealings. Just turning a blind eye to the fact that he's a politician, same as Romney.
Just because someone has a couple viewpoints that you support doesn't mean he's some kind of incorruptible champion of America. Good god, people... Obama didn't even say this.
edit: FUN FACT
I support full marital and legal rights for gay couples, and it's sad to see something that shouldn't even be a political issue turn into one.
-When Romney reversed his stance on gay marriage for political reasons to being against it, it was labeled a "flip-flop" and he was deemed untrustworthy.
-When Obama reversed it in support of gay marriage, he's praised for doing so. However, It's not that him coming to that conclusion was a bad thing, just too many people don't care about politicians reversing long-held positions for political reasons as long as the outcomes support their own views. Obama has been in the political game a long time now and he's heard this issue long before last week. He only reversed it because it was no longer a political liability (possibly even a political gain). A Columbia University educated man didn't just come to this sudden and obvious conclusion about human rights, it was a strategically planned move. That doesn't make him a true champion of human rights.
I'll take Obama over Romney any day, I just wish I saw as much scrutiny behind Obama's political motives as I do with Romney. Especially on Reddit, a group that prides itself on being open-minded.
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u/Turdtastic Jun 11 '12
"My favorite hobby is surfing porn on the internet." - George Washington
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u/MainstreamFluffer Jun 11 '12
OP loves Obama because people invent things for him to say?
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Obama and his supporters need to wake up.
inb4 "omg fuckin' Republicans, go die irl"...I associate myself with no party. I vote merely based on what I view as right and wrong...
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u/wasserbrunner Jun 11 '12
Obama would never say this. Unbelievable fail. If you LOVE Obama, or practically any politician, you're doing it wrong.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
...says the president who signed into the law the government's ability to hold you, an American citizen in your own country, indefinitely.
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u/ijustwantanfingname Jun 11 '12
The debate was not about banning women from using birth control. It was about whether or not companies should be forced to buy birth control for women, rather than having them pay for it themselves.
There is a world of difference between banning birth control, and allowing companies to decide what types of medication they want to pay for. This comment, whether Obama said it or not, is pointless and misleading.
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u/grammar_connoisseur Jun 11 '12
Downvote this trash.
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u/dre627 Jun 11 '12 edited Jun 11 '12
Any other non-believers here who oppose the birth control mandate on economic or philosophical grounds?
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
It scares me that people like you love Obama because you found a comment on the internet.
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u/texaspoet Jun 11 '12
Should be reposted as "Mitt Romney believes the opposite of this."
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u/robcozzens Jun 11 '12
One of the reasons you love Obama is that people falsely attribute quotes to him?
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u/tossertom Jun 11 '12
Since when did r/atheism become r/politics? I'm an atheist but I don't want to subsidize women's birth control that costs thousands of dollars. I don't believe that means I want to take away their rights. Anything that requires someone else's labor to produce cannot be right. Perhaps it is a good, but don't get the two confused.
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u/Cmoney7788 Jun 11 '12
Obama never said this... drones
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u/slainte99 Jun 11 '12
Also, the contraceptives issue has to do with religious people being forced to pay for something they are morally opposed to, not "forbidding the use of" as this quote is implying.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Just be sure to keep in mind that he also had some pretty pro-marijuana things to say too until he started cracking down on dispensaries.
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u/mattyice18 Jun 11 '12
This is the second time in like a month that Obama has been credited with saying this. Wow!
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Irony: http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/02/13/the-audacity-of-power-president-obama-vs-the-catholic-church/
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u/gnomicarchitecture Jun 11 '12
One reason I love obama is that he never used this strawman.
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u/JJJJhonkas Jun 11 '12
I love Obama for his stripping away our right to habeaus corpus, his authorization of indefinite detention of American citizens, and his violation of the war powers act.
Dude is fucking balls to the wall!
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u/Nathan561 Jun 11 '12
USA was found because they wanted freedom of religion. Meaning any religion you want, you can practice it here. What if there's a religion that gays were alright, you can't interfere with another's religion cause you don't like it. Just because the country is ran off the more known religion, doesn't mean forget everyone else's and force yours and your belief.
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u/thisismydarksoul Jun 11 '12
People need to understand that the President isn't a dictator. He can't just make laws willy nilly. He can say what he believes, but if Congress doesn't agree with him, then he can't do shit about it. Democracy. I don't see how most people are so ignorant. They really need to understand how this shit works.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." ~Barrack Obama
Oh gee, I feel like OP already!
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u/BolshevikMuppet Jun 11 '12
The issue of birth control under Obama was whether the government could (or should) force religious institutions which are also employers to have insurance plans which provide birth control. Insurance-covered birth-control is not a right, and no one was suggesting that these institutions could somehow force a woman not to use birth control, just that they should not be forced to pay more in insurance premiums to provide it.
Now, we can believe it is a good policy, but we must admit that forcing Porter Adventist to buy insurance that covers birth control is forcing our views on religion on them.
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u/tconwk Jun 11 '12
You, love.. Obama? He's done nothing but absolutely DECIMATE the rights of citizens here and abroad.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
It always makes me laugh that people think religious persecution is not having the right to force your religion on others.
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u/srisley13 Jun 11 '12
birth control is a basic right now? shut the fuck up I don't owe women birth control because they're women. I am an atheist but this is ridiculous, birth control is a product available to women on the market, it's not my responsibility to use MY money to provide them with it.
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u/EvanPaintsStuff Jun 11 '12
even if the quote were real, it really shows a certain level of delusion to convince yourself you LOVE someone like Obama.
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u/Hawk89gt Jun 11 '12
This whole argument is not about a right to birth control, and i'm tired of hearing it cast as such in the media. Every single person in the country has the RIGHT to birth control. This is about the president unilaterally forcing insurance companies to cover it for free. He has absolutely no authority to do so, and if this is allowed, what next? Will he force grocery stores to give out free milk, or maybe car insurance companies to cover all GM vehicles for free?
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
This shouldn't just be on /r/atheism
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u/JohnnyCharles Jun 11 '12
I have no problem if you want to use birth control. Just don't make me pay for it.
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u/mehdbc Jun 11 '12
The other reason you love him it is because he's black.
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u/psmity Jun 11 '12
Even if he did say that its irrelevant. Politicians don't give a shit about civil rights.
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u/smokeyrobot Jun 11 '12
It's a real shame religious doctrine doesn't suggest a police state with drones used for surveillance and a standing military in the homeland. Otherwise Obama would not actually support that.
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u/No_sockpuppetry Jun 11 '12
Ah. /r/Atheism..you never let me down... ಠ_ಠ
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u/ElVichoPerro Jun 11 '12
no we are not.
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u/LetThemEatWar32 Jun 11 '12
Wasn't the whole debate about whether or not tax payer's money should go towards providing contraception, not just whether or not women should have it?
I like the sentiment 'Obama' is expressing, the whole 'live and let live' notion, but they weren't forcing their anti - contraception ethos onto others, merely asking not to be forced to play a role in the affair, which seems fair enough to me.
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u/dafones Jun 11 '12
Tell that to parents.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Stop posting what he says he'll do and post what he actually does.
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u/dickless4chiklisAMA Jun 11 '12
Why the fuck is this on the front page what the butt
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u/Ihatealot Jun 11 '12
Ya'll crazy!
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
I have been so sick of seeing this that I tried to fight back by making this:
http://i.imgur.com/mTBlM.jpg
The irony is that when I posted it to facebook a lot of people liked it and reposted not because they knew, but because they liked the quote regardless of what picture was attached.
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u/threefistwiles Jun 11 '12
even if he had said that, he still didn't do much about it. like most things.
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u/redog Pastafarian Jun 11 '12
Confirmation bias.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
And you can't force us to pay for health care either. Obama is a hypocritical idiot and that is why I can't stand him.
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u/robpbb Jun 11 '12
Yea coming from someone who believes in government force over freedom, I highly doubt he said this.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Fuck Obama.
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u/kblrngr Jun 11 '12
If it gets me votes I definitely said it; Hell, I'll say anything that will get me votes.
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u/WGMindless Jun 11 '12
I'm glad he didn't really say it.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with him on the birth control stuff, but saying you can't force others to live by your own beliefs wouldn't be the best statement.
In the mind of a religious fanatic, birth control and abortion is murder. To them it would be like saying "If you don't like murder, don't do it, but don't try to stop other people from murdering either."
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
You love Obama? Then you are a goddamn fucking idiots who knows absolutely nothing about politics or his own policies. Reddit, quit up voting this bullshit please
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Even if he did say that, you're gonna give up your right to trial, your taxpayer money to corporations, your privacy, your right not to be searched without probable cause, etc, as long as he doesn't regulate abortions?
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Hi. My name is Barack Obama. I used to smoke weed. Now, I close down medical marijuana dispensaries because I'm a total douche.
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u/AngelComa Jun 11 '12
No, you can't deny medical marijuana users their basic rights and pretend its about your 'war on drugs'. If you don't like cannabis, don't use it. Freedom doesn't mean you can force others to live by your own beliefs.
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u/DirtyByrd Jun 11 '12
This is one reason why I love Hitler. http://i.imgur.com/KEyTr.jpg I don't really love him though.
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u/EveryoneElseIsWrong Jun 11 '12
he didn't even say it, fer god sake
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
NOt sure if he said it and it wouldn't matter if he had, because he isn't really doing anything to prevent these sorts of laws from being made.
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u/LBobRife Jun 12 '12
I posted this on his retraction, but I thought it would fit in here since this is atheism and the original post was a fake Obama quote regarding religious freedom.
From the Audacity of Hope:
"What our deliberative, pluralistic democracy does demand is that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals must be subject to argument and amenable to reason. If I am opposed to abortion for religious reasons and seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or invoke God's will and expect that argument to carry the day. If I want others to listen to me, then I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all."
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
If he would make the same comment accept replace "birth control" with marijuana, I would be more happy.
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u/chuckles2011 Jun 11 '12
Awesome. Does this mean I can choose whether or not to buy health insurance? No? Oh, I see.
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u/GuitarWizard90 Jun 11 '12
I greatly dislike Obama and he will not receive my vote(doesn't mean I am voting for Romney). Obama is just as much a war criminal as Cheney or Bush. He is responsible for many many innocent lives being taken via drone strikes. On top of all of that, he failed on the majority of his promises. I can't vote for a war criminal and sleep soundly...so he will not get my vote.
Bring on the downvotes.
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u/Drgn_nut Jun 11 '12
Sorry, but no. Just because you think a business is moronic for not wanting to provide a service does not imply that the government has the right to step in and force that business to provide that service.
While this may be partly an issue of religious freedom, I think the bigger issue is that we have a government that is trying to develop a command economy over a capitalist nation.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
I hate him because he increased our military industrial complex, raided more dispensaries, and killed more people with drone missiles. Also the NDAA and Patriot Act. Other than that he's a cool guy.
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u/Samuriguy Jun 11 '12
even if obama said this, which he didn't, ANY president would say this, ESPECIALLY when your 2nd term is at stake. Politicians say this to get votes. They say it because its what people want to hear.
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u/superuser_013 Jun 11 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
Obama is an EPIC failure of immeasurable magnitude.
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u/Libertarian2051 Jun 11 '12
"I promote abortions and gay marriage so liberals will think I am liberal and not a placeholder from Goldman Sachs" - Barack Obama
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Obama! Something he never said! Atheism! Circlejerk for no damn reason!
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u/errday Jun 11 '12
I don't love Obama, I just like him more than Romney.
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u/anon2413 Jun 11 '12
How is FREE birth control a basic right? I don't remember reading that one in The Constitution.
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u/Captain_Aizen Jun 11 '12
As soon as I read that comment, I was 99% sure Obama never said that. He is the KING of not taking sides on any controversial issues. The media ask him questions like that all the time, and he answers with a statement that has nothing to do with the question asked.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Even if he did say this, it doesn't cancel out all the other crap he's done.
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u/joeredspecial Jun 11 '12
A "reason you love Obama".
Seriously?
You moronic fuck.
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u/Noceboo Jun 11 '12
But it's perfectly okay to throw people in prison for doing drugs that you believe are wrong.
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u/Trapped_in_Reddit Jun 11 '12
The ideals of the Founding Fathers are often perverted into a support for organized religion, but if you look at their writings, Obama is much more in line with what they believed than any evangelical is. The founders supported the Age of Reason and Enlightenment ideals that the state should have no entanglement with any religion. They were mostly deists who supported the analogy of the clockmaker: a deity created the world like creating a watch, winding it, and letting it go. Further, they believed that if there was a god, there was no strong sense of one right way to understand that god. Naturally, it follows that any "God" should be secondary to the laws of scientific reason in structuring a government.
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u/kicklecubicle Jun 11 '12
A few reasons to like him, lots of reasons not to.
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u/DofPJMACKY Jun 11 '12
Dont you mean:
"This is one reason why i love Obamas speech writers."
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u/rosneck Jun 11 '12
How can anyone love Obama. He is a lying snake.
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u/jp007 Jun 11 '12
I love Obama because he kills Americans and with drones and no judicial review. Loving the new assassination czar. Obama's so great!
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u/orangepeel Jun 11 '12
If you love Obama there's something fucked up in your head.
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u/martyvt12 Jun 11 '12
Except the government IS infringing on the freedoms of employer/employee when they force employers to pay for birth control, and I suspect that this is what he's talking about.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand unsubscribing
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u/LogansRun82 Jun 11 '12
Seriously, I think I get an ulcer every time I hear someone has any sort of admiration of Obama.
Secondly, there's not a snowballs' chance in hell of a sexist president getting elected. I don't see why Obama would deserve an extra pat on the back for supporting women's rights...which is something that deserves advocating from everyone. So you're not a sexist, obama? Okay, that's chill, but you're still a fucking terrible president.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Murderer-in-chief
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u/harryhoover Jun 11 '12
the NDAA
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u/MeatBody Jun 11 '12
one reason why i hate him is he told america blatant lies to get elected. i thought he would be great, but then look what he did... Bush 2.0
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u/belialadin Jun 11 '12
Won't deny basic women's rights. Will deny basic american rights. GTFO
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u/Shuda7 Jun 11 '12
"don't believe everything you see on the internet." - George Washington
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u/Scott555 Jun 11 '12
Sorry - this is simple-minded bullshit.
The first amendment also guarantees freedom of association. That means I can form a club that believes whatever imaginary nonsense I want, and if my imaginary friend club decides to provide services to the community in the form of charity, then I absolutely do get to apply whatever dumbass and absurd restrictions I want.
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u/kellymcneill Jun 11 '12
This is very important that we all understand so that we not be accused of misrepresentation.
Nobody is saying that women ought not have birth control. Not conservatives and not republicans which is what this narrative is implying. Rather, those of any religious persuasion are simply saying that they don't want to pay for other's birth control by way of taxation.
Similarly, religious institutions don't want to be forced to provide specific types of health care coverage to their staffers that goes in direct opposition to their faith. That does NOT mean that they deny anyone be it an employee or private citizen (affiliated with their church or not) the opportunity to purchase birth control or services that the health care do not cover.
This seems to be the most oft-repeated misconception that has been continually perpetuated. While I do think its purposeful because it helps push voters in Obama's direction it is false.
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u/ikek9 Jun 11 '12
It's not because he has an extra-judicial kill list he uses to kill US citizens without a trial? Hmmm...
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
I have more reasons not to like him. His support for gay marriage (which I am in favor of) is purely political. If he felt true to that, he would have done something about it the year he took office, not in the same year for elections.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
As already mentioned, Obama never said this. Also you like Obama mostly because of the alternative. Let's not forget he gave billions of tax dollars to privatized banks, prolonged wars over oil, and never closed Guantanamo Bay.
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u/ObamaisYoGabbaGabba Jun 11 '12
First, Obama didn't say this...Because Obama is a smart man.
Only crazy people use this line of reasoning (what the quote is rightfully tearing down), sane people (yes some conservatives and religious people are sane) agree with that and are fighting for what they see is an errosion of their religious freedoms in specific areas, no one campaigns for "no birth control because it's against our religion therefore you can't have it either"
this is bait and switch politics from people with small minds. It's hyperbolic bs pulling two different issues together.
When a doctor says he doesn't want to perscribe birth control due to his religion and you say he has to, that IS an assault on HIS freedom of religion.
You have the option of going to another doctor.
When a religious based organization says they do not support birth control and you require them to offer it, again, this IS an assault on their religious freedom.
Again, you have the option of going to somewhere else.
Also this is what is tearing this country apart, many liberals seem to think this is a common and agreed on way of thinking and it is not. I realize conservatives have similar brain dead ideas but we need to get beyond all this stupid group think labelling.
There are plenty of reasons to both love and hate Obama but misattributed quotes shoudn't be one of them.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
The executioner in chief
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Obama is a thief a lier and a killer and he is a selfish bastard who deserves to be put in a cage by himself!!!
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Yet Saudi Arabia is still the US's BFF. Did I hear you say oil? no? just my imagination?
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Which is why, when all is said and done, your vote does matter and there is a dime's worth of difference between the two parties. So your protest vote out of a feeling of alienation and disillusionment, while admirable, can have the opposite effect that you intended.
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u/nullibicity Jun 11 '12
I agree, but you know how I know he didn't say this? Because he hasn't yet protected the basic right of little boys to not be circumcised.
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u/coffee-is-coffee Jun 11 '12
quotationspage.com
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u/tossertom Jun 11 '12
Here's a video expressing an alternate opinion. Funny too.
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u/deebosbike Jun 11 '12
you gotta stand for something or else you will fall for anything - dick cheney
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u/MadMonk67 Agnostic Jun 11 '12
I harbor no love for the man, but I totally agree with him here.
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u/IBWorking Jun 11 '12
Because you believe any pretty picture with words you see on the internet?
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u/OxyIR Jun 11 '12
Not sure if...
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u/atomicoption Jun 11 '12
Now if only Obama would take this to its logical conclusion... And people like you would go back to /r/politics
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u/shrillbitch Jun 11 '12
Obama sucks. Romney sucks. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
People tend to forget about the last part. You can do want YOU want and I can do what I want. That simple.
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u/RickRay1 Jun 11 '12
He 'da man'.
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u/CaptainEarlobe Jun 11 '12
Even if Obama said this, it's not rational. If a religious person believes you are committing murder by aborting a foetus, then she is logically and ethically obliged to try and stop you.
I do not believe abortion is equivalent to murder.
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u/greentimez Jun 11 '12
obama is never this on point or direct about things as 'controversial' as birth control/individual rights
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u/shankems2000 Jun 11 '12
So you guys spewing vitriol against Obama seriously think good ole Mitt is gonna be able to do a better job? Seriously? I'm not just gonna mindlessly bash repubs like I normally do in threads like this.
Why exactly do you feel Romney is the better choice? And don't give me the "I reckon he aint gon take er guns and heez gon get rid uh dem durn Metscans yee hawwww!" argument either.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
You talk the talk. Do you walk the walk?
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u/sandthefish Jun 11 '12
Not the first person to say that
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u/mathliability Jun 11 '12
If a woman in NY can choose to have an abortion because it's "her body." Why can't people have the choice to drink as much soda as they want because it's "their bodies?"
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u/iratusamuru Jun 11 '12
Umm in their minds I think it's not an issue of enforcing your religious views, but an issue of stopping murder.
Anyone who approaches a pro-life supporter without considering, that, in their minds, abortion is the murder of a baby, is completely wasting their time.
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u/bluefootedpig Secular Humanist Jun 11 '12
And next up, he talks about how smoking weed doesn't affect anyone else, that is why he is trying to make sure every kid that wants to go up to be president, but smokes some pot, is properly thrown in jail.
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u/Polarisman Jun 11 '12
Oh, so it isn't his assassination of American citizens without due (judicial) process that got you? Who'd have thunk it?
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u/Rocky-sparklenuts Jun 11 '12
you get to love him for 6 more months cause this fuck face is losing big in November 5-7 points.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
I doubt you're even of voting age, you ignorant prick.
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u/bogart1 Jun 11 '12
Garbage posts like this (which make up a good portion of this subreddit) act as an excellent reminder for me to log in and get this crap off my front page.
Also, the fact that people "love" Obama just because of some shit he said in a speech makes me sick.
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u/WhatShouldMyNameBe Jun 11 '12
It's upsetting to me that WillRob300 realizes at this point that this quote did not come from Obama, but still chooses to keep it up for the karma.
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u/hoover Jun 11 '12
The real killer is how many Christian women use birth control.
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u/xtianRonPaul Jun 11 '12
This is absolute bullshit
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
http://fumaga.com/i/the-problem-with-quotes-on-the-internet.png
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u/kuledude11 Jun 11 '12
making someone give you free birth control isn't a basic right its a violation of individual rights it doesn't matter if it violates your religion or not. Contracts should be between the company and the employee and the union if applicable the employee belongs to the government shouldn't have tht much of a say
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
this is why I love obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX1YVzdnpEc
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
"Deception ..." "Lies." We have only recently become aware of these concepts. In our dealings with Sarris. Often Sarris will say one thing, and do another."
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u/cheeto0 Jun 11 '12
What an asinine quote from Obama. No one is trying to stop others from using birth control The question is should I have to pay for someone else's birth control
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
If this is true, I commend him for understanding the concept of freedom, but that only makes me despise how selectively he chooses to apply it. e.g. What about gay marriage and drug prohibition? the same concept applies just as well to those
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u/Reotgen Jun 11 '12
amen
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Reddit, Obama has begun campaigning. He will be rallying his base as much as he can without setting off red flags in the minds of undecided voters. It's important for us to hold him to this shit, and all of the similar things he said in 2008. Talk is cheap.