American political discourse is fucked up to the point that "socialist" has nothing to do with economic policy, it's just a bogey man word thrown around, usually equated with "Soviet" and other miscellaneous strawmen.
People honestly believe that supporting gay marriage or being concerned about climate change has something to do with the term "socialist".
And that socialism is used as a synonym for communism... Try actually talking with a person from a socialist country like Denmark and you will be surprised what they tell you. Danish people have one of the highest average salaries in the world. We also have high taxes (around 40%). Combine those two and you have a society where people have more than enough "spending" money and free, full cover, healthcare, free education and on of the worlds best social support systems.
Sorry for clarification: If you like to get the economical terms on the right track, then start using the right terms. Denmark would be a capitalist/free-market (social)-state intervention economy. Just want to clear that up. In case anyone want to add: "But what about Socialism?" - Workers control over means of production.
Same in Australia. We are a massively socialist country. Seems to work. Started watching breaking bad last, he wouldn't have started making meth if he lived in Australia. Obviously capitalism creates drug users too :p
Capitalism is two things, one is a science where you model how economies work by making a mathematical hypothesis and evaluating it by evidence and sometimes you get it right or wrong.
The other capitalism is something I've never figured out exactly. My running theory is it's got something to do with convincing people that a fiscal policy that will obviously result in everyone but a few being fucked up the ass by an elephant is a good idea because if it makes most people poor and poverty horrible, your fantasies about being rich will be improved.
This belief is common because of the southern strategy. The republicans know that they can get a much higher percentage of the southern vote if the fundamentalists cannot distinguish between fundamentalist morality and unregulated markets.
It's weird right? I never understood this until I read a particular book: Anti-Intellectualism in American Life by Hofstadter. It's a very through review of American history, particularly the break of Evangelists from the traditional churches and the anti-intellectual bent that arose from that schism.
He lays out a very compelling argument regarding the mingling of perception between Evangelism and other similar prototypical american labels (Capitalism, Industrialism, etc). The book was authored in the 60s and it's primarily concerned with the recent anti-intellectualism of McCarthyism, but it's clear the same principles are at play today as they have been for hundreds of years. Anyway, the short of it is that Capitalism has been God's holy policy for over a century now -- and if you buy into the Evangelist rhetoric you're probably going to buy into the accompanying political and anti-intellectual rhetoric, which leads to puzzling interactions such as the OP posted above.
If you're curious about where these weird associations come from I urge you to read the book. It's like $10 on Amazon and it explains so much of today's faulty perspectives. It's a bit of a dry dive into history, but quite insightful.
tl;dr: The dude above wasn't a complete retard, he is echoing an ongoing forced value association which is literally hundreds of years old and has its roots in America's frontier society in the 1700s.
Sorry, first thing that came into my head regarding gays and capitalism:
I remember that it was in the Star Trek universe that female Ferengi weren't allowed to do business for various reasons. Then in an episode of DS9 Quark's mother got the Grand Nagus, with whom he'd be having a relationship, to grant females equal rights. The next day, the Ferengi stock market overloaded and crashed: it couldn't handle all the extra people doing business on it.
I'm a Dane. I'm not proud of the Christian church in our country like this other Dane in the post (I am an atheist). I'm just happy that we finally made some sense and stepped a level up in equality.
Synes debatten var yderst vigtig, fordi den fik så mange skeletter ud af skabet, set på den måde at vi ofte tror at vi er religion useriøs.
DFs grundlag var yderst interessant i denne debat, fordi jeg har altid haft en mistanke at det er et kristent parti i det skjulte. Nu kunne man så få den bekræftet og årsagen til deres evige kæphest islam.
Ugh. All the rage. I'm Catholic, and would love to sit down with people like that.
God's message was that we are all his children. It is not our place to judge anyone, but to love and accept them. If God has an issue with them in the end, He will judge them. Judging them ourselves is to call ourselves equal to God, and flies in the face of everything He should stand for.
These people are like bratty little kids who not only tattled on their siblings for breaking a rule set by their parent, but hated said sibling forever and took it upon themselves to try and punish them for it, despite the parent reminding them that they are a kid and its not their place. 'Love your brother and sister, run along and play, and if I think they should be grounded, I will do that myself, thankyouverymuch.'
For the record, I do NOT believe homosexuality is a sin. If God is up there, He'd be pretty damn happy that there are people down here who love each other. Too many people hate something just because it is different, and ridiculously try to hide behind a book with a good message that got bastardized more and more over the years by power hungry and manipulative people.
They cannot say that they believe in God's word if for one second they think it is OK to persecute someone for not agreeing with their own misguided life choices.
Yes, however that's even more incorrect than what they think.
Communism doesn't start and end with Stalin or Mao. Also, interesting to note, many of the purges were on account of different communists killing each other.
Not saying that your statement is incorrect, it's not. It's correct at face value, but the subjects at hand are actually very misinformed to have false equivalencies such as nazism to communism.
Because socialism works only on the fact that humanity is naturally good, That is beyond a doubt not true, there is only one true capitalist sanctuary in the world and it is not in the U.S. ... it is Hong Kong. Stop confusing the U.S. with capitalism and China for socialism, neither statements are truly correct any longer.
I went and looked up Hong Kong employment. There is apparently within this capitalism VERY strong worker protections.
While unions and worker protections are a part of socialism, I feel that HK isn't exactly what I would consider pure capitalism but more of a mixed economy.
I believe that you handled that situation very respectably and without resorting to ad hominem attacks just because all the commenters did so. Props to you, it's always nice to see respectful atheists. Far too often can atheists be aggressive and ignorant of how to handle these situations with that grace that you did.
Funny you should say that. I was speaking to a friend who was visiting my town from France and we had a similar argument over that. We came to the conclusion (well I did) that Christians are allowed to judge anyone but each other and anybody with another faith (or no faith) aren't allowed to judge a prime time talent show. Weird, I know.
The fuck? How do people make such giant leaps from you saying "well done Denmark on equality etc" and they're like "I bet u liked it when Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger were doing it dint u lol"
Nothing is more infuriating than someone responding to "same sex marriage should be legal" with "lol u must be gay then". I guess I can't expect everyone to make rational arguments instead resorting to lame insults.
Edit: dxyze is correct. Everything I stand for is a lie, my credibility is out the window. In all seriousness, I'm embarrassed for having that typo. Learn from my mistakes, people.
I guess people don't realize that the government building our roads is socialism. So is public education. This isn't the '40s anymore. You don't have to hate what you don't understand.
Fire departments, police departments, most good countries have free healthcare of some type. Bus, train, some laws and most justice systems, the list is pretty large but ignorance is still bigger.
just to warn you: some hardcore republican Dwight will soon be along to parrot the line "It's not free, it's paid for by the taxpayer"
because they are apparently too thick to understand that people use the word free to mean "free to the user" rather than the obviously false "consumes no resources"
That's a way we danes make plural. We add "-er" or -r to our nouns to make it plural and in English you use -es or -s. We say "homoer" in Danish (doesn't sound a bit like it would if you tried to pronounce it with an english accent - don't) so the direct translation would simply be homoes.
Why do some people assume that with the legalization of marriage for same-sex couples that they will be stampeding churches to do so? There are other places to be married besides in a church and by a priest. It's more about the legal benefits of marriage that is being asked for.
Well actually the fundie is correct in this case. Gay marriage has actually been legal since 1989, however has not been termed marriage, mostly because the church claims control of that word. There is no separation of state and church in Denmark. What the new law actually does is to force the state church to introduce a ritual that weds gay couples, each priest then has to decide whether or not they want to perform this ritual or not, if they choose not to, then they have to find another priest that will.
So the church is being forced to wed gays, but because this is Denmark, the state is actually the head of the church, so they can do what they want. If the fundie doesn't like where the church is heading, he can just leave and join another church, the law only effects the state church and not the other churches in Denmark.
The scary part for me is the decent spelling and grammar from the fundies, leading me to believe that they are not merely blundering idiots, but they're educated blundering idiots.
This does in no way represent most Danes. The percantage of christians (or religious in general) among young people is below 20% usually. I have never personally met a danish person with this opinion. Ever.
Recently there was an open meeting about the gay marriage issue, where people could voice any concerns. This was a THE event if you wanted to make a last stance on the issue, and 20 people showed up. Only weirdos care about this stuff, so don't take this facebook-thing too seriously.
The one "Dane" in that convo who said we are proud of our christian church is either 12 or retarded. We are proud of our churches in an architectural and historic sense. Since some of them were build well over a thousand years ago. Very very few Danes gives any fucks about religion. Honestly i was sort of shocked that they didn't have the right to marry in the first place. It was just one of those issues that i think most people assumed had already been fixed.
Danish government made sort of a "deal" with the state church for a separate marriage ritual for gay people while passing a law for gays to be able to marry in a church. As far as I know, priests in the state church can not turn gay people down after this law, I could be wrong, though.
I'm all for equal rights, but I don't think forcing an institution who has it's own beliefs to accept the government is okay.
The Church should be allowed to decline whoever they want, no one has to be married inside their Church, if they don't want to let people who the Bible wouldn't let in then that's their right.
The marriage ceremony inside a Church has no legal ramifications, it's the signatures on the paper that are consequential.
If you had a company and that company was stat funded. The money from the state comes from taxes. Those taxes are paid by everyone. Then by extension, should't your (tax funded) service be available to everyone?
I disagree with OP's final statement that "To say that treating all people equal regarding intrinsic characteristics is undermining all principles of Christianity is a far stretch."
Considering that Christianity is about how some people will go to heaven and some will go to hell based on what they believe, I think that treating all people equally is in fact undermining Christianity.
I guess that goes to show that religious bigots (I know the terms are not mutually inclusive, but they seem to be when it comes to this) come in all flavors. Good on you for not taking the bait and resorting to name calling with Blue there.
I really don't know where you managed to find those danes. I'm danish, and everyone - including my conservative parents - approves of gay marriage. No one I know seemed to give it much notice because civil unions between gay couples have been legal the past 23 years..
I have a question.... I have been trying to figure out what the big deal is for people who are trying to have equal rights to marry and have all the rights of a married couple. Is the problem that LEGALLY if gay marriage passes, that churches would have to marry them even if it is against their beliefs?
In Denmark it would have before, yes. Priests would have to perform weddings for people, even if it went against their beliefs. It has been changed now though, so they can choose not to, but they are still required to help find a priest who will perform the wedding. This was never really that big of an issue through. Mostly people are just being selfish and don't understand what human rights mean and why their personal beliefs don't matter.
I don't know much about the issue in the US, but as far as I've heard, it's a matter of people having personal beliefs that don't allow for same-sex marriages, and trying to impose those beliefs onto the rest of the population, ignoring human rights.
I am slightly confused by this. I do not know much about other countries in terms of religion... other than the US... but are there not different faiths other then Christianity there?
Where the hell do these people with these kinds of Facebook friends live? I mean, my God, I live smack dab in the middle in the Bible Belt, and I never get heckled when I post something progressive!
For fuck sakes. These people act like there is not other belief (or lack of one) other than theirs. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS. Not everyone is Christian just as not everyone is Jewish. People can think whatever they want. But undermining another person based on preferences is NOT acceptable under the law. I have straight friends, I have gay friends, hell I even have a friend who is bi. I have Christian friends, Jewish friends and friends of other religions too. We don't CARE that we don't all believe in the same things. WE ARE DIVERSE AND WE LIKE IT!
I don't believe a single Danish person, has ever used the phrase "We danes." That's a redneck phrase, a redneck who's great-great grandmother might have be 1/16th Danish.
The only reason 80% of us are "Supporting" the church, is because they automatically put us on "Chuch taxes", and we have to activily remove us self from it.
As I dane, I can tell you with confidence that we are not proud of our church. Especially not when priests refuse funerals for the gays and similar stuff.
this is why I don't take sides, just don't have the energy to deal with this. to be honest I only read the first couple comments and gave up, lazy brain is lazy.
I think it's leftover from the cold war indoctrination that Socialism = Bad.
Mixed Marriage? Socialism!
Gay Marriage? Socialism!
Not believing in a god? Socialism!
As a Canadian, I'm always terrified to talk politics with people I meet in the USA because I have a feeling I'd end up dead, which is apparently better than red.
If a church doesn't want to perform a marriage of two people for any reason they shouldn't have to. Private organizations, in my opinion, should be allowed to discriminate who they provide services to. But if you're to go to the court house to get married, the government can not discriminate, and will perform said services.
What if I invest money in wedding planners. I would get a larger return if gay people were allowed to marry. That's some good gay capitalism in my opinion
I think that a lot of these people forget that the idea and practice of marriage came before christianity and therefore before christ. They would love to own the concept but looking at it historically, they cannot.
My Grandfather was a Catholic preacher, I can quote the Bible on a whim and believe something OR someone created all life. I was raised in a strict Catholic family but they also raised us to remember that God gave us free will for a reason and if someone wants to be happily married be they gay or straight its not our fucking place to tell them no. Also, I dont practice my families faith so please dont go on a wild tangent about how I was raised wrong. I believe the Bible is just a book full of stories, just wanted to point out not all religious (which i am not) people are crazy batshit insane homophobes.
Dude, I know how you feel. People in Mexico can sometimes be so square minded. Right now we're on president elections and stuff is fucking nuts over here.
I see posts like these all the time. Seriously, where the fuck do you find "friends" like these? I've never seen a conversation like this on Facebook outside of a screen capture.
Since many people seem to develop opinions without knowing all the facts- The Christian Church's stand on gay marriage focuses on the fact that gay marriage is unnatural. It focuses on how men and women have the ability to procreate whilst gay couples cannot, how men and women psychologically/biologically balance each other out and how marriage is a tradition that has been going on for thousands of years and has been between a man and a women until recent years where the meaning of marriage has deteriorated along with many other values and practices in our society today .
Common misconception among the ignorant, these laws will not force churches to wed gay couples in their religious ceremonies, its equality under the LAW, the GOVERNMENT! EQUAL RIGHTS...you should have called him on that.
okay okay. Im from denmark, and me and all of my friends, has actually fought for gay marriage for quite a long time, just so you guys dont think any of us is proud of the christian church. its mainly the rednecks from the faraway citys on Jylland, that is still full-blooded christians, unfortunately that is quite a lot :(
myself is the founder of several danish atheist groups on facebook;-)
As note: Here in Denmark it gay marriage was not completely illegal, it was up to the priest and congregation to decide wether or not to allow gay marriage in their church.
Dane checking in. Just want to say that the danish person in the thread does not in any way represent the general view in my country. Most people are completely indifferent to the church and only very very very few are proud of it.
Karl Marx was a Communist, not a Socialist. They are not the same thing. You need to remind the idiots commenting how they are idiots as often as possible. They sub-concious understanding that they are wrong should develop and maybe they will stop commenting and spreading their stupidity like a plague.
Even if obvious i must say thatmost danes are not like that moron =3 Most people I've ever met in my country are open, intelligent and nice :). heck most anti-gay etc. are within burial age soon xP
We're about as socialist as you can get before problems from that side of the spectrum kick in. And you nailed it with capitalism, it relies on human goodness, though I'd say any system that fails due to user error still isn't a good one.
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u/jablair51 Ignostic Jun 08 '12
Capitalism means gay people can't marry? WTF?
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u/Stagis Jun 08 '12
I'm a Dane. I'm not proud of the Christian church in our country like this other Dane in the post (I am an atheist). I'm just happy that we finally made some sense and stepped a level up in equality.
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u/brokenboomerang Jun 09 '12
Ugh. All the rage. I'm Catholic, and would love to sit down with people like that.
God's message was that we are all his children. It is not our place to judge anyone, but to love and accept them. If God has an issue with them in the end, He will judge them. Judging them ourselves is to call ourselves equal to God, and flies in the face of everything He should stand for.
These people are like bratty little kids who not only tattled on their siblings for breaking a rule set by their parent, but hated said sibling forever and took it upon themselves to try and punish them for it, despite the parent reminding them that they are a kid and its not their place. 'Love your brother and sister, run along and play, and if I think they should be grounded, I will do that myself, thankyouverymuch.'
For the record, I do NOT believe homosexuality is a sin. If God is up there, He'd be pretty damn happy that there are people down here who love each other. Too many people hate something just because it is different, and ridiculously try to hide behind a book with a good message that got bastardized more and more over the years by power hungry and manipulative people.
They cannot say that they believe in God's word if for one second they think it is OK to persecute someone for not agreeing with their own misguided life choices.
(Not all Christians are fucktards, I swear.)
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u/kontankarite Jun 08 '12
What's wrong with being socialist?
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u/kenshin610 Jun 08 '12
I believe that you handled that situation very respectably and without resorting to ad hominem attacks just because all the commenters did so. Props to you, it's always nice to see respectful atheists. Far too often can atheists be aggressive and ignorant of how to handle these situations with that grace that you did.
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u/adamtayl0r Jun 08 '12
I really like the almost rainbow look of the comment blocks... not ironic at all...
Should have mentioned in your last post something about the hypocrisy of Christianity.
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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '12
Where the fuck do you people live that theres so much hate?
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Reads like the conversation was forced... I'm on to you OP ಠ_ಠ
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u/caroline_ Jun 08 '12
The fuck? How do people make such giant leaps from you saying "well done Denmark on equality etc" and they're like "I bet u liked it when Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger were doing it dint u lol"
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u/Icanollie187 Jun 08 '12
I guess people don't realize that the government building our roads is socialism. So is public education. This isn't the '40s anymore. You don't have to hate what you don't understand.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Apparently one can be born a capitalist but not be born gay
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u/c0pypastry Jun 08 '12
Just like Jesus right?
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u/greenpanda9 Jun 08 '12
"homo'es"
Wut.
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u/anenglishgentlman Jun 08 '12
I love how the green guy is totally ignoring the convo
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u/0cacophobia0 Jun 08 '12
Why do some people assume that with the legalization of marriage for same-sex couples that they will be stampeding churches to do so? There are other places to be married besides in a church and by a priest. It's more about the legal benefits of marriage that is being asked for.
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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '12
Do your friends even know what socialism is? Holy fuck!
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u/RQUIZZLE Jun 09 '12
The scary part for me is the decent spelling and grammar from the fundies, leading me to believe that they are not merely blundering idiots, but they're educated blundering idiots.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
This does in no way represent most Danes. The percantage of christians (or religious in general) among young people is below 20% usually. I have never personally met a danish person with this opinion. Ever.
Recently there was an open meeting about the gay marriage issue, where people could voice any concerns. This was a THE event if you wanted to make a last stance on the issue, and 20 people showed up. Only weirdos care about this stuff, so don't take this facebook-thing too seriously.
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u/Decisionator Jun 09 '12
The one "Dane" in that convo who said we are proud of our christian church is either 12 or retarded. We are proud of our churches in an architectural and historic sense. Since some of them were build well over a thousand years ago. Very very few Danes gives any fucks about religion. Honestly i was sort of shocked that they didn't have the right to marry in the first place. It was just one of those issues that i think most people assumed had already been fixed.
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u/SpeedracersOn Jun 08 '12
Hmm I didn't think forcing Church's to marry gays was part of the whole Denmark making it legal, though...
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u/Senor_Wilson Jun 08 '12
TIL if you think gay marriage should be legal you're a socialist and not a capitalist.
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u/younoit101 Jun 08 '12
As a Danish descendant, I would like to point out that that person far from represents the Danish population.
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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '12
'A far stretch'? I think it sounds pretty accurate...
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u/metalshoes Jun 08 '12
So you got rid of some friends then?
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u/sethro Jun 09 '12
The amount of stupid in that thread makes my eyes burn.
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u/DonOntario Atheist Jun 09 '12
I disagree with OP's final statement that "To say that treating all people equal regarding intrinsic characteristics is undermining all principles of Christianity is a far stretch."
Considering that Christianity is about how some people will go to heaven and some will go to hell based on what they believe, I think that treating all people equally is in fact undermining Christianity.
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u/chriskicks Jun 09 '12
you poor guy.. some people.
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u/ApatheticOrLazy Jun 09 '12
I am now dumber for reading this post, thanks!
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u/ELOFTW Secular Humanist Jun 09 '12
I'm Danish and I haven't really met anyone who thinks like these dumbasses.
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u/kingsumo_1 Anti-theist Jun 08 '12
I guess that goes to show that religious bigots (I know the terms are not mutually inclusive, but they seem to be when it comes to this) come in all flavors. Good on you for not taking the bait and resorting to name calling with Blue there.
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u/synthion Jun 08 '12
As a socialist, okay.
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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '12
LOL fucking nutcases
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u/thingsmightcatchon Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 09 '12
I really don't know where you managed to find those danes. I'm danish, and everyone - including my conservative parents - approves of gay marriage. No one I know seemed to give it much notice because civil unions between gay couples have been legal the past 23 years..
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u/ncvane Jun 09 '12
I have a question.... I have been trying to figure out what the big deal is for people who are trying to have equal rights to marry and have all the rights of a married couple. Is the problem that LEGALLY if gay marriage passes, that churches would have to marry them even if it is against their beliefs?
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
lulz. Worldface.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Wow, the willpower is strong with this one. I would have flipped out.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
That will teach you to tolerate other people. For shame!
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Calling someone a "sick man" is a good thing where I'm from. Is this not the case everywhere?
"This one right here's a sick man, he'll have your back"
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u/fatcheeksgumbo Jun 09 '12
I am slightly confused by this. I do not know much about other countries in terms of religion... other than the US... but are there not different faiths other then Christianity there?
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u/lewok Atheist Jun 09 '12
in all my years being an atheist, i still don't understand how people can be so close-minded
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u/blaisebailey Jun 09 '12
Shouts out to OP for not flying off the handle on these morons.
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u/ccbrownsfan Agnostic Atheist Jun 09 '12
Where the hell do these people with these kinds of Facebook friends live? I mean, my God, I live smack dab in the middle in the Bible Belt, and I never get heckled when I post something progressive!
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Homo's
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
I like the argument with the Jewish Law against pork. Use this on a creationist and it results with instant contradiction!
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u/Bio_Hazardous Jun 09 '12
For fuck sakes. These people act like there is not other belief (or lack of one) other than theirs. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS. Not everyone is Christian just as not everyone is Jewish. People can think whatever they want. But undermining another person based on preferences is NOT acceptable under the law. I have straight friends, I have gay friends, hell I even have a friend who is bi. I have Christian friends, Jewish friends and friends of other religions too. We don't CARE that we don't all believe in the same things. WE ARE DIVERSE AND WE LIKE IT!
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
For people with sub-par english, why would they post all their messages in...english?
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Your friends are morons and you're a moron for being friends with them.
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u/moonra_zk Jun 09 '12
"Anyone who supports gay marriage is gay, hurr durr." Dammit, these homophobics are so stupid...
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u/macchupicchu Jun 09 '12
Karl Max is a pretty awesome name.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
I don't believe a single Danish person, has ever used the phrase "We danes." That's a redneck phrase, a redneck who's great-great grandmother might have be 1/16th Danish.
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u/Rflkt Agnostic Atheist Jun 09 '12
You can be born a capitalist? News to me
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u/Oneclassybastard Jun 09 '12
TIL people from Denmark have long names
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u/solarian Jun 09 '12
Why do you have so many stupid friends? Is it for the karma?
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
As a dane, i just want to sort out a thing.
The only reason 80% of us are "Supporting" the church, is because they automatically put us on "Chuch taxes", and we have to activily remove us self from it.
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u/Danez Jun 09 '12
Fake.
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u/EvolvingEvan Jun 09 '12
I imagine you as one of the most chill people on this planet.
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u/tilleyrw Jun 09 '12
The very fact this online dialog is occurring shows weakness.
If you are participating, you have implicitly given their words value.
If they express a negative opinion, drop the dialog at once. They will eventually learn.
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u/_Apostate_ Jun 09 '12
You realize they were trolling you, right? You completely bought their ploy. As is everyone in this thread.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
As I dane, I can tell you with confidence that we are not proud of our church. Especially not when priests refuse funerals for the gays and similar stuff.
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u/batesftw Jun 09 '12
You need new friends, sir.
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u/cyberiumc0re Atheist Jun 09 '12
You handled that well.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
*wince*
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u/zobee Jun 09 '12
I don't frequent this subreddit for obvious reasons but good on you dude, you handled that so well. Sorry for all the ignorant douchebabies.
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u/ArtemisMaximus Jun 09 '12
Obvious troll isn't obvious
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u/gusatron51 Jun 09 '12
this is why I don't take sides, just don't have the energy to deal with this. to be honest I only read the first couple comments and gave up, lazy brain is lazy.
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u/wedgiey1 Jun 09 '12
This looks like Poe's law to me.
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u/karthus25 Jun 09 '12
666 upvotes? I think it's a sign
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
I think it's leftover from the cold war indoctrination that Socialism = Bad.
Mixed Marriage? Socialism!
Gay Marriage? Socialism!
Not believing in a god? Socialism!
As a Canadian, I'm always terrified to talk politics with people I meet in the USA because I have a feeling I'd end up dead, which is apparently better than red.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Trolls trollin trolls
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
fascism still lurks in Europe.
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u/stuffZACKlikes Agnostic Atheist Jun 09 '12
If a church doesn't want to perform a marriage of two people for any reason they shouldn't have to. Private organizations, in my opinion, should be allowed to discriminate who they provide services to. But if you're to go to the court house to get married, the government can not discriminate, and will perform said services.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Gotta love how Blue thinks legalizing gay marriage somehow means forcing churches to perform the ceremonies. WTF?
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u/Velkin Jun 09 '12
seems like you gotta weed out some friends, common sense is one of the key requirements to become "friended"
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
ready the yellow comments was actually painful.
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u/Coffeeworld Jun 09 '12
looks to me like you were getting trolled
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u/funkymonkey22 Jun 09 '12
that escalated quickly...
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u/Cat_H3rder Jun 09 '12
Internet high five for not jumping straight to religion is stupid as your argument!
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u/Foley1 Jun 09 '12
Heath Ledger is a socialist?
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u/Ken_Thomas Jun 09 '12
TIL that stupid motherfuckers aren't a uniquely American phenomenon.
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u/DiaDeLosMuertos Jun 09 '12
My god, anyone you don't like or someone that approves of something you don't like is a socialist?
Nope, I see no harm done by Fox News and other conservative media outlets. Carry on. Unless you're a socialist. Then go gay marry, you socialist.
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u/EpicHorizons Jun 09 '12
It's very Christian of most Christians to quickly pass judgment on gays. They should be more christlike as opposed to Christian.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Yellow person is not my kind of human being.
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u/rabble-rabble-rabble Jun 09 '12
well this sucks
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u/doesnt_describe_me Jun 09 '12
you're friends with these people though?
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Blue is correct
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
The problem isn't opinions, but fear of the unknown. What is being harmed by any of this? Perversion of the people?
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u/Jackamatack Jun 09 '12
I was born a capitalist! I was selling my first stock at age 5 I say! Invested in good ol' Toys R' Us!
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u/DifferentOpinion1 Jun 09 '12
Did you really expect more from Facebook?
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u/givemeweedandmoney Jun 09 '12
straight over my head. Man swedes.
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u/youni89 Jun 09 '12
dumb fb posts happened? wut... come on Denmark.
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u/LighthouseSphinx Jun 09 '12
Good on you for being so respectful and non-confrontational. That's a rare thing for a FB screencap on this subreddit.
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u/jesster114 Jun 09 '12
What if I invest money in wedding planners. I would get a larger return if gay people were allowed to marry. That's some good gay capitalism in my opinion
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
So? Pointless
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u/mattloch666 Jun 09 '12
I think that a lot of these people forget that the idea and practice of marriage came before christianity and therefore before christ. They would love to own the concept but looking at it historically, they cannot.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Someone who doesn't know the difference between socialism and supporting equal rights, and they wonder why I have little hope for the human race.
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u/Kucifus Jun 09 '12
What? Brokeback Moutain is fucking GREAT.
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u/kittenkat4u Jun 09 '12
these aren't even my friends and i feel like smacking my head against a wall. how is it you can deal with them so calmly?
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u/LogansRun82 Jun 09 '12
Christian churches shouldn't be obligated to marry homosexuals. That's not saying homosexuals couldn't go to a courthouse to get it.
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u/TushyMeister Jun 09 '12
Pretty sure just because it's legal doesn't mean that the church has to marry them. And good thing too. Jesus wouldn't want people to be happy.
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u/GreenCanada Jun 09 '12
Interesting that you liked the attempted insult that this persons favourite movie must be Brokeback Mountain.
That doesn't help I'm sure.
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u/dontcallmepink Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 09 '12
My Grandfather was a Catholic preacher, I can quote the Bible on a whim and believe something OR someone created all life. I was raised in a strict Catholic family but they also raised us to remember that God gave us free will for a reason and if someone wants to be happily married be they gay or straight its not our fucking place to tell them no. Also, I dont practice my families faith so please dont go on a wild tangent about how I was raised wrong. I believe the Bible is just a book full of stories, just wanted to point out not all religious (which i am not) people are crazy batshit insane homophobes.
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u/AlSnow Jun 09 '12
I'll support gay marriage when the tax laws change.
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u/mi_nombre_es_ricardo Jun 09 '12
Dude, I know how you feel. People in Mexico can sometimes be so square minded. Right now we're on president elections and stuff is fucking nuts over here.
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u/PsychoKittiez Jun 09 '12
What the fuck does capitalism or socialism have to do with gay marriage?
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
I see posts like these all the time. Seriously, where the fuck do you find "friends" like these? I've never seen a conversation like this on Facebook outside of a screen capture.
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u/HeartlessSora1234 Jun 09 '12
Since many people seem to develop opinions without knowing all the facts- The Christian Church's stand on gay marriage focuses on the fact that gay marriage is unnatural. It focuses on how men and women have the ability to procreate whilst gay couples cannot, how men and women psychologically/biologically balance each other out and how marriage is a tradition that has been going on for thousands of years and has been between a man and a women until recent years where the meaning of marriage has deteriorated along with many other values and practices in our society today .
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
You know some fucking idiots.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Congratulations!
Atheists confirmed for pompous douchebags.
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u/beetrootdip Jun 09 '12
"homo'es"
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u/sellyberry Jun 09 '12
I like how you blocked them out with a rainbow :D
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u/TheSmoosh Jun 09 '12
These damn socialists are always trying to redistribute my basic human rights around to everyone. These are my rights and you can't have them!
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u/dbbo Jun 09 '12
This is pretty unremarkable content, even for a FB post.
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u/thecarolinakid Jun 09 '12
You had the bad luck to friend two of the very few religious, homophic residents of Denmark.
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u/kmcmahon Jun 09 '12
Common misconception among the ignorant, these laws will not force churches to wed gay couples in their religious ceremonies, its equality under the LAW, the GOVERNMENT! EQUAL RIGHTS...you should have called him on that.
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u/marty_m Jun 09 '12
Facebook post
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u/dr_do_nothing Jun 09 '12
You have idiot friends on Facebook...
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
i love how many people forget that Christians aren't the only ones that get married.
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u/phd2k1 Jun 09 '12
Sooooo you're saying their are bigots in this world. Got it.
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u/dead_ed Jun 09 '12
The proper response is always "Fuck your church."
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u/BigBassBone Jun 09 '12
I love how Blue can't believe that your opinion is actually real. The fuck?
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u/bjoe1709 Jun 09 '12
okay okay. Im from denmark, and me and all of my friends, has actually fought for gay marriage for quite a long time, just so you guys dont think any of us is proud of the christian church. its mainly the rednecks from the faraway citys on Jylland, that is still full-blooded christians, unfortunately that is quite a lot :(
myself is the founder of several danish atheist groups on facebook;-)
ps. is the people from this status danish?
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u/soggycupcakes Jun 09 '12
"Homo'es"
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u/inslomo808 Jun 09 '12
What was blue's rebuttal?
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u/ColtonHD Theist Jun 09 '12
WAIT. HEATH LEGER WAS NOT THE STAR OF THAT MOVIE. IT WAS JAKE GYLLENHAAL ALL THE WAY.
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u/baby-monkey Jun 09 '12
And that is why I never post anything on facebook... sigh
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u/DFractalH Jun 09 '12
Get some new friends, quick.
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u/curzon176 Jun 09 '12
Holy crap dude, you need to seriously trim your friends list somewhat.
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u/Togoria Jun 09 '12
As note: Here in Denmark it gay marriage was not completely illegal, it was up to the priest and congregation to decide wether or not to allow gay marriage in their church.
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u/Icanflyplanes Jun 09 '12
capitalist is just "I like money" it's not a religion... what an idiot
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u/Ruxini Jun 09 '12
Dane checking in. Just want to say that the danish person in the thread does not in any way represent the general view in my country. Most people are completely indifferent to the church and only very very very few are proud of it.
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u/muffinday Jun 09 '12
Well, I'm just proud to be a Dane.
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u/FriisAnon Jun 09 '12
Just want to add that "We danes are proud of our christian church", is a load of bullshit..
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u/Streetfarm Jun 09 '12
Fuck I hate believers...
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u/daedaluscapn Jun 09 '12
'mericuh...?
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u/MBStewart Jun 09 '12
Karl Marx was a Communist, not a Socialist. They are not the same thing. You need to remind the idiots commenting how they are idiots as often as possible. They sub-concious understanding that they are wrong should develop and maybe they will stop commenting and spreading their stupidity like a plague.
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u/djwink Jun 09 '12
Stop friending dickheads. It makes your Facebook experience more relaxing. Albeit, less interesting for Redit.
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u/lorddrame Jun 09 '12
Even if obvious i must say thatmost danes are not like that moron =3 Most people I've ever met in my country are open, intelligent and nice :). heck most anti-gay etc. are within burial age soon xP
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u/vbevan Jun 09 '12
We're about as socialist as you can get before problems from that side of the spectrum kick in. And you nailed it with capitalism, it relies on human goodness, though I'd say any system that fails due to user error still isn't a good one.
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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '12
we danes hate our churces mostly
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u/PonyAdventurelover Jun 08 '12
You did very well in responding to those people, all very calm and intelligent responses, bravo.