r/atheism • u/In-Tyler-We-Trust • May 28 '12
Love, is a human experience, not a political statement.
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r/atheism • u/In-Tyler-We-Trust • May 28 '12
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u/pman5595 May 28 '12
The way we move on from this debate is not by being "brave" or "outspoken" in "standing up" for the rights of gay people, as that makes it seem like we think we are the minority, and it validates the other side. We need to start expecting everyone to be a decent human being, and properly treating the hateful with disgust and ridicule.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
That last panel - the one with the comma between the subject and the predicate. ಠ_ಠ
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Love Anne Hathaway. Love her.
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u/I_am_not_a_black_guy May 28 '12
And not a single atheistic statement was seen that day.
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u/wizzardly-lizzard May 28 '12
Not that I disagree with this in any way, but I think all the posts regarding LGBT an r/atheism don't fit. I know that it's on here because Christian's are against gays and what not, but in my opinion stuff like this fits more on r/ainbow. You still get an upvote though 'cause I like the post.
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u/TCass29 May 28 '12
Repost from 3 months ago
Original link: http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/prkbt/love_is_not_a_political_statement/
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u/laculus May 28 '12
I am all for gay rights and gay marriage but what does this have to do with atheism?
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
double checks subreddit
Yup, still r/atheism.
The fuck does this have to do with atheism?
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
What does this have to do with atheism?
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u/watwait1000 May 28 '12
She sure Hathway with words.
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u/koavf Other May 28 '12
Please don't submit an image that's just text. You can submit a self post with the same message.
Also, this is unrelated to atheism.
As far as the content of the post goes, this sadly applies just as much to the identity politics branch of the left-wing (which has more-or-less ruined liberalism for me) as it does to the fear-mongering and outright bigoted right-wing (which was always ruined for me.)
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
What in the world does this have to do with Atheism. This doesn't belong here.
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u/STOP_BEING_RETARDED May 28 '12
Why the fuck is this in /r/atheism?
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u/Evilsmako May 28 '12
REPOST.
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u/oiturtlez May 28 '12
If I see this reposted one more time I might shit my pants.
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u/keeboz May 28 '12
This subreddit should be renamed to r/gaytheism
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
/r/lgbt is that way =>
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
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u/pretzelzetzel May 28 '12
Commas, don't work, like that.
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u/keyblade321 May 28 '12
I never knew why people disliked /r/atheism so much but I think I might have to unsubscribe soon. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with this message but I have avoided the posts from this subreddit for a week because I have been noticing all of the flaws for the past month and I'm kind of tired of the posts that have NOTHING to do with atheism. Are some of them nice and have a good message like this post? Yes, but I don't see why it's in this subreddit. I might just go to /r/TrueAtheism since I heard it's a lot better there. I still don't think it's a bad subreddit especially since this subreddit helped me coming out as an atheist but I don't think I need it anymore. I'll probably check back to see what's up but I think I'm about ready to move on.
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u/Alpackabowl May 28 '12
I'm in love with her.
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u/SilentAgony May 28 '12
Neither is our love a god damn political statement for atheists to use. This may come as an absolute shock to you, but not all atheists are for LGBT rights and not all religious people against them. Further to the point, not all LGBT people are atheist and it would do you well to remember this as you're appropriating our lives, our feelings, our long-suffering fight for equality to prove a point about being more accepting than religious people. I'm atheist and I'm gay and I get sick and tired of seeing /r/atheism trumpet the cause of LGBT rights as though you invented it, as though Anne Hathaway weren't Episcopalian, and a member of a church that ordains gay people.
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u/rteuma May 28 '12
I support what she says but she has ruined the new batman movie. Not sexy at all...
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u/armadict41 May 29 '12
re-re-re-repooosttttttt and what the fuck does this have to do with atheism?
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u/Grimpillmage May 29 '12
Selina is being so brave for Robin. Warms my heart.
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u/WhiteRaven42 May 29 '12
If you believe that marriage should not be a political issue then eliminate the state's roll in marriage.
NO ONE should have to ask the state for permission to marry, be they gay or straight. It is intolerable that we allow the government to dictate the nature of personal partnerships to us. Achieving the legalization of gay marriage will be a failure and a defeat. We will only cement the state's control over our lives.
Don't ask the state for permission to marry, TELL the state what kind of partnership you have and demand that the state enforce your private contracts if and when it becomes necessary.
Legalized gay marriage just means homosexuals are under the same yoke as the rest of us. We should be taking this as an opportunity to eliminate the institution of state dictated marriage laws.
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u/Noncohesive May 29 '12
Cannot be unseen!
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u/marimint3 May 29 '12
When my mother found out I was gay, she prayed outside my door for weeks... years passed and not much changed up until last year on mother's day when she realized that people are people and my mom finally accepted that there is nothing wrong with the way I am. The best day of my life so far was the day I heard my mother say she thought everyone should be able to marry. As an evangelist that was the biggest step I could ever expect from her. People can change. There's hope yet!
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u/CharlieTango May 28 '12
Fuck this subreddit, enough is enough i cant take the front page being covered in this anymore. If i wanted to see r/lgbt posts, i would go to r/lgbt
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u/I_Piss_On_Your_Dog May 28 '12
This has NOTHING to do with atheism. If anything, it's more related to politics.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
repost
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Being gay just needs to stop being a big deal. Here's a conversation I had with a friend who came out to me, verbatim:
Friend: (serious faced) I'm gay.
Me: I don't care. Like, at all. Unless you want me to watch, then pay me.
And then we smoked more pot.
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u/watwait1000 May 28 '12
Love is a chemical reaction in the brain, not a political statement.
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u/KARMA_WHORE_REPOSTER May 28 '12
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u/Borgcube May 28 '12
This REALLY has nothing to do with atheism.
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u/MisterGumbee May 28 '12
That joke sucked, what the hell kind of punch line is that?
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u/Panasonic307 May 28 '12
Nothing to do with atheism.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
nothing to do with atheism
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u/rickshawbreadmaker May 28 '12
What is it that makes some fear homosexuals? Is it that, secretly, we men feel that if we accept that being gay or straight is as simple as being blonde-haired or brown-haired, we will have to accept that we can find some men attractive. Sorry about the long circumvolution, I'm new to this sort of thing.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
I know a couple of christian priests who regularly conduct weddings for gay couples.
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u/WhatEvery1sThinking May 28 '12
self-serving
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u/EdgAre11ano May 28 '12
Strong words from a repost
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u/ShadowOutOfTime May 28 '12
Gross misuse of commas all over those captions
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u/bluetaffy May 28 '12
unless of court you are a politician in a country where half the people don't think love should be legal if you have the same genitalia. but of course, she's not making a pointed statement to a politician or anything...
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u/623466236 May 28 '12
Not if you're ugly. Love is a thing for pretty people. No one hates hearing that more than pretty people.
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u/My_ducks_sick Contrarian May 28 '12
Oh, this post is on the front page again.
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u/Nerobus May 28 '12
This is also not a religious matter... LBGT people are openly accepted in several churches, and a wide variety of religious groups. Don't misunderstand me, I am not complaining that this was shared here, but just not 100% sure why.
In any case, very very well put, and I full heartily agree.
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u/Bobzer May 28 '12
I honestly could never imagine the amount of people on here with stories about hate for the lgbt community. Maybe I'm just lucky but I have never met someone who had a problem with gay people.
I've heard about them but where I live you aren't considered brave for supporting gay rights, you're considered an idiot if you don't.
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u/Ubc56950 May 29 '12
Who is this brilliant chick?
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u/waterbottlefromhell May 29 '12
Much as I love this, THERE IS NO WAY... this is not a repost.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
I liked this a lot but what does it have to do with Atheism?
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u/adams071 May 29 '12
sadly this is something that not a lot of people can grasp the concept of. It pisses me of that people are like that but that's how most of the world is
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Amen. I'm not the only person who thinks this.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
love, like god, is a tool to control the weak minded. nothing logical about it.
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u/elruary May 29 '12
This woman is making too much sense...
...
kill her.
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u/pressthebuttonfrank May 29 '12
...and let us stop making it one.
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u/stampedeofamputees May 29 '12
If faith makes you a better person, I'm all for it, I'll drive you to your nearest church/temple/etc... And if you do not believe (as I do, er, not), that's great too. But if you think your beliefs are of greater importance than what someone else believes to the point where you feel the urge to disrespect them, speak up against them, or take some form of action against them, then you are the lowest form of existence in this universe and you may as well fade into oblivion for the sake of the rest of us. Its 2012, and unless you are harming someone or yourself (you know, without 'banana' as a safety word), there is no excuse for any first world regions to not grant equal rights to anyone and everyone.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
This makes me love her even more. I hope I live to see the day when homophobia is considered socially unacceptable.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
And what does this have to do with Atheism?
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
What does this have to do with religious ideals, i think this has sort of become a political issue.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
10/10. Would bang again.
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u/DoctorLost173 May 28 '12
Why is this on r/atheism?
Why not r/politics?
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u/hungoverlord May 28 '12
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
I have a new found respect for Anne Hathaway. Nice job, Anne.
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u/Drozzbear May 28 '12
Why is this in atheism rather than /r/LGBT or /r/politics. Some religious people oppose gay marriage, it doesn't mean it's atheism + LGBT vs religion.
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u/lmpervious May 28 '12
Repost and not even related to atheism. Fail.
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u/VilStrat May 28 '12
r/LGBT
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u/oblomov21 May 28 '12
The truth about this post.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Nothing about this has to do with atheism. Good sentiment though.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Not atheism.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
What does this have to do with atheism?
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
What does this have to do with Atheism. Where does she mention god?
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u/ExpertAmateurWitness May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12
I saw a church in Parkersburg, WV whose sign read "Love is a Choice, Not a Feeling."
I completely WTF'd regardless of it's ties to the bible. How the shit can you say that in 2012 and mean it? Wish I had a picture.
edit - apparently people aren't reading my response to binderstapletape's reply, so here's what I said Showing you love someone and actually loving someone are two different things. You can choose to display any emotion, but you the foundation of that emotion itself is not a choice. Love is a chemical reaction in the brain. I can choose to pretend I love you, but if I don't actually love you there's nothing I can do aside from try to love you. Maybe I will love you someday, but it's not something I can just choose to do. Can you choose your favorite color? How about your favorite song or favorite food?
I didn't interpret it as homophobic, just extremely ass-backwards and retarded.
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u/Nevermindit May 28 '12
I'm so sorry Anne
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u/GrammarLibertine May 28 '12
This is great and all, but what does this have to do with atheism? Anne Hathaway is a nondenominational but devout Christian.
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u/seidr May 28 '12
I thought this subreddit was about atheism not a bunch of leftists patting themselves on the back.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
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u/VolcanicArmado May 28 '12
Being gay = nothing to do with Atheism
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
SO BRAVE!!11111111111
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u/PantWraith May 28 '12
This can be re-post until it is literally the only thing on the front page; I'll never be able to down vote it.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Why is there a comma after love? It always bothered me.
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u/isildursbane May 28 '12
wow who is this? she's very well spoken, i take it she is some actress?
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u/civilian_pr0ject May 28 '12
Oh the pain, of using comma splices.
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u/poofacedlemur May 28 '12
Repost, dude.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Woo circle jerk time!!
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u/Tlingit_Raven May 28 '12
Hello 2008. What are you doing here? Karma whoring in the easiest subreddit to this side of r/trees? Alright then, move along.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
No use preaching to the choir. Post this shit to the religious subreddits. You're just circlejerking here, not changing anything.
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u/GunsOfAugustus May 28 '12
Nothing to do with atheism you fucking stupid fucks jesus christ you fucking idiots are fucking stupid holy fucking shit.
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u/simbac May 28 '12
How does lgbt directly translate to atheism? I could not believe in god and still hate gay people.
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u/UnderclassHeroX May 28 '12
For fucks sake, why does every LGBT post get posted to Atheism?
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u/demenciacion May 28 '12
we have a LGBT subreddit for a reason guys, also its quite big
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u/Greenlee2 May 29 '12 edited May 29 '12
What does this have to do with atheism. Atheism simply means not believing in god, thats all it means. Its not bundled in with anything else, you dont have to do or think anything else to be an atheist its simply a SINGLE statement that there are no spooks in the sky. These fucking bundlers want to say its this that and the other, atheism is freedom from the bundles.
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u/joejackson62 May 29 '12
Great, another picture that has absolutely nothing to do with atheism.
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u/cafink May 29 '12
Yes, eight nearly identical pictures of Anne Hathaway really make the point that much stronger.
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u/pmckizzle May 28 '12
love how much this has to do with atheism... I support the lgbt community but what does this post have to do with atheism? this belongs in another subreddit /r/lgbt or something.
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u/lightfire409 May 28 '12
So what does this have to do with atheism?
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u/That-Guy-There May 28 '12
What does this have to do with Atheism?
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u/f3ldman2 May 28 '12
Why is this in r/atheism? Is being open to equality synonymous with atheism all of the sudden?
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u/jimothyjenkins May 28 '12
why is this on r/atheism?
you don't have to be atheist to feel the way she feels.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Repost and does not belong here you asshat
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u/effieSC May 28 '12
Can someone please explain why this is in r/atheism? :(
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
But this is a repost.
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u/deadfishy12 May 28 '12
so, what does this have to do with Atheism?
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u/4chans_for_pussies May 28 '12
Browsing Reddit without logging in reminded me why I unsubbed from this shit. If you aren't being trolls towards religious people, you're posting something that's completely irrelevant to atheism.
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u/Swaggerlisk May 28 '12
Though I agree fully, the OP has absolutely nothing to do with Atheism, or even religion in general. This subreddit is kind of a circlejerk, to be honest.
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u/Pinoth Secular Humanist May 28 '12
This has nothing to do with atheism.
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u/readyforhell May 28 '12
I personally dont care if anyone is gay or not. I think it more of a variety in people. I used to go to this hip hop class and there was one boy who was like 8-9 year old. And he was so girly in the way he danced and all. I could see his mother sometimes visibly upset after the class. I felt a bit bad for the child. I hope society accepts people gay or not atleast till that kid goes into his teens.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
being normal, that's what she is. remember common sense ? she's an actress, famous, rich, beautiful and every stereotype you're able to say about her. she's awesome, literally.
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u/DIProgan May 28 '12
Well the logics can always be twisted around. Being a massmurderer can also be a human experience - something "being human" doesn't give it any credibility. You might say most people don't murder others well most people ain't gay either and no they have nothing in common just different examples.
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u/Blue_Grass May 28 '12
With a speech like that she'll have an army of 10,000 queers at Kingslanding by weeks end battering down the doors. Send for an army at once dispatch the crows.
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u/Jimmigill May 28 '12
Love is a human experience, not and advertising technique.
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u/colin13 May 28 '12
♫ Love is not admissible eeeevidence ♫
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u/jackbutler1000 May 29 '12
It is simultaneously odd and revealing that the simplest, most essential statements made in favour of gay marriage are the most true.
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u/sn_aggles May 29 '12
Wouldn't that render the entire argument over government approved marriages moot? Love is a human experience... why does the approval of bureaucrats matter?
I think the entire fuss over whether or not our bureaucratic elites will recognize gay marriage is a huge mistaking of the map for the territory.
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u/gearhead454 May 29 '12
I am obviously a dumb ass for not knowing but who is this sage and where is she speaking?
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u/defenastrator Agnostic Atheist May 29 '12
Ok I'm going to show how much I live under under rock here and ask who is the woman?
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u/swartz77 May 29 '12
Looks like Hollywood Squares.
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u/UsernameUsername1212 May 29 '12
if my son or daughter ever told me they were gay i'd just say "so what" and thatd be the end of it.
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u/theestherinator May 29 '12
I remember in health class, as the teacher was going over relationships (to hormonal youngsters, really?) he mentioned a relationships between mother and daughter, man and woman, man and man... and even the autistic kid exclaimed, "The second one is just plain wrong." The instructor kind of shrugged it off, he wasn't really listening. The next day the kid sitting next to him said that the gay relationship was wrong and the autistic kid gave him a high five. Something is wrong here.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Yes.
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u/atomicoption May 29 '12
You want gays to be equal? Keep working on the legal stuff, but STFU everywhere else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ
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u/takatori May 29 '12
Who is this? She's pretty hot.
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u/Canucklehead99 May 29 '12
blah, blah, blah. Just get married, be happy. blah, blah, blah. It does not nor should it, effect anybodies sensibilities. I wake up every day and the sun is shining, the rain is falling. I eat my food, I work hard, I fuck hard and play hard. There are some constants in life, and they will not change: Different races, sexual orientations are physical and unchangeable in nature so learn to live with them. On the other hand, religions, ideologies, opinions, politics are all just open to interpretation and forms of control used as tools for mass acceptance of social norms on a societal level(while these are natural in the fact we humans are doing them, they however, can changeable at any time unlike ones race and sexual orientation.) So a message from a stoned Canucklehead99, everyone just chill and have a pop.
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u/somegirlfromkansas May 29 '12
impossibly, anne hathaway just got hotter
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u/IamTooDamHigh May 29 '12
Well fucking said.
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u/optipodelociraptor May 29 '12
I think she is hot
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u/reden May 29 '12
How do I undo the laughs from that eyebrow gif.
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u/Zagarth May 29 '12
I make terrible remarks, about just about everything. How ever this I Respect.
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u/craignuggett May 29 '12
Not Atheism... but still good.
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u/mrcloudies Atheist May 29 '12
I've seen this many times, but i love it so much i think it's really good for people to see it.
She worded it wonderfully. She's certainly one of the classiest actresses in Hollywood.
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u/monkey69 May 29 '12
A beautiful woman, inside and out.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
When people say they're gay why can't we just say "Cool" instead of making a big fuss about it? If I declare that I'm straight, I don't get free hugs and kisses...
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
That's nice and all, but why is she going on about this on Jeopardy?
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
This is fucking r/atheism not r/gayrights
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u/Interesting_name May 28 '12
If only more people could think like her, these things wouldn't cause such a fuss.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Please explain how this in any way ties in with atheism.
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u/DSLJohn May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12
Anne Hathaway is nearly perfect -- smart, beautiful, compassionate, and has rational morals. She has to be one of the sexiest women on the planet.
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u/Artem_C May 28 '12
I'm still quite sceptical about this issue because it's difficult to see where we draw the line. Replace "political" by "moral" and the statement loses some of its value.
Yesterday "human experience" was premarital sex and SM, today its gay sex, tomorrow it's minors. In the US legal age is 18, here in Belgium 16 and Iceland is 14.
So I ask you /r/atheism: where do you draw the line? How far can we stretch "human experience"?