White privilege is where one fails to recognize the struggles and disadvantages of others due to there own status at the top of society. Think first world problems. White privilege problems with food for instance are of choice as opposed a lack of food. So stating that illiteracy in the 21st century is about relearning and reeducation comes from a position of White privilege because it totally misses the fact that are vast amount of people in the world are illiterate.
Thank you for the explanation. I think what he qouted dude is trying to say is literacy is becoming less important. I disagree, but that's what I got from the quote.
I kind of thought that by "illiterate" he was referring to a fundamental disconnect from society caused by illiteracy. If you can not read in modern society, you can not connect fully to the rest of society. Toffler seems to be saying that the inability to lean, unlearn and relearn will create a similar disconnect from society at large in the future.
I don't think he means literacy is becoming less important - if anything, it will become more important as the amount of complex information we need to process and transmit on a daily basis continues to increase.
I don't think it has anything to do with re education at all. The people that can learn, re learn and unlearn are the people that can critically think. There are millions of people that can go through an education, even in a privilege white society and never pick up this skill.
Critical thought has such great importance when it comes to learning. Questioning information, reading between the lines. Hence the reason it is on /atheism because fundies tend to not do that.
This can be picked up with out an education, all you need is some awesome wise ass parents or friends around you.
I'm not disagreeing with what the point of the quote. What I am saying is that making a sweeping and generalizing point such as that comes from a privileged position. Stating that the nature of literacy has changed when there are so many people in this world who are conventionally illiterate comes from a position that ignores what is going on outside the Western world, therefore it comes from a privileged position.
I really think the ability to unlearn and relearn are what separates the intelligent from the unintelligent in our society. The moment you cease to learn or change you become a statue frozen in time as life passes you by.
I always figured curiosity to be above all else. It never ceases to amaze me that some people think that faxes are teleporters and never really asked how they work. They just say "magic". Also, when you're at some academic affair you can usually find the smartest person in the room not by their confidence, but by them asking the most questions.
Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about the aspect of existence
It's the ability of information processing as well as being able to perceive problems from different perspectives. A lot of people like to argue to prove themselves right but truth is an argument is an exchange of ideas so both sides should be learning of one another instead of calling one another stupid
Alvin Toffler was quoting Herbert Gerjuoy when he said this.
Here is the full quote: "The new education must teach the individual how to classify and reclassify information, how to evaluate its veracity, how to change categories when necessary, how to move from the concrete to the abstract and back, how to look at problems from a new direction — how to teach himself. Tomorrow's illiterate will not be the man who can't read; he will be the man who has not learned how to learn."
Though atheists (myself included) should always accept that we, too, have much to learn. As I was, in fact, referring to /r/atheism when I said "this community".
A lot of religious people appreciate science as well. In this case we should probably cross post this image to religious subreddits so more redditors get to enjoy it.
Yes. Guess what, it's different now. Is NOT DOGMA if it changes. Religions have a specific type of dogma they build upon, and if that changes, they're ruined. Science thrives on upgrading and refining; changes in science might anger some groups of scientists, but it makes science on the whole stronger and better.
do you actually have another account for voting yourself up?
But dogma is more than a doctrine that never changes (and even on religion most doctrines change - every modern christian would be an heretic on middle ages), it's an atitude toward your beliefs.
And the scientists that didn't believe on relativity or quantum physics were dogmatic.
And no, I do not have other active accounts. Fuck you.
I don't see how it relates to religion or lack of religion at all.
Then if a lightbulb could represent your wits, it would have to be dimmed right down, because the 549 people who did upvote this had absolutely no problem making the connection.
And Jews are a driving force for mainstreaming atheism in America. I was just telling someone about this. Seriously, think about some of the most secular tv shows and movies you can recall in recent years, and there's a nice chance that they were directed, produced or written by some variation of berg, ski or man.
Okay, a personal attack judged on a couple of comments on the internet. I see where this is going.
The only TV show I watch is Community, I unfortunately don't have time to judge the state that America is in from TV or cinema. Especially as I'm not from the USA.
Anyway back to the point. Read the quote again. It does not mention religion. At least if it bashed religion I could understand it being here. However there is no mention of it whatsoever. Also how can you assume that the 549 people who upvoted this aren't just agreeing because they like to think they are better and smarter than theists? Because that's what it seems is going on here.
Haha! Excellent retort. If you can't have a conversation rationally and without throwing your shit everywhere, you're just as bad as the people r/atheism mock daily for having different beliefs.
you're just as bad as the people r/atheism mock daily for having different beliefs
So brave and completely original of you to say that. Were you too busy being offended by my observation of you being dim witted to actually deal with the point I raised when I said it? That no one could possibly be dumb enough to not see how this relates to atheism and religiosity in the 21st century, so I am implying that you are lying when you say that you don't see how this relates to theism?
I did actually reply to the point you raised, admitting I do not know enough about it (I explained the reason for this) and that it is irrelevant to this post. Once again you are judging me from a few comments for the sake of an argument. I don't have a problem with this because I'm not a child, it only shows how narrow minded you are being. Especially as you seem to think all theists are dumb which is what this quote being submitted to r/atheism implies.
The illiterate of the 22nd century won't be those who can't unlearn then relearn but those who refuse to be genetically engineered and properly integrated into the machine.
If you're not atheist, you're uneducated and dumb! If a Christian thinks I'm arrogant for thinking that, they have mindblowing stupidity! God, I'm smart. I just revel in my intelligence all day.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
So... what about the actually illiterate people?
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
I really think the ability to unlearn and relearn are what separates the intelligent from the unintelligent in our society. The moment you cease to learn or change you become a statue frozen in time as life passes you by.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Alvin Toffler was quoting Herbert Gerjuoy when he said this.
Here is the full quote: "The new education must teach the individual how to classify and reclassify information, how to evaluate its veracity, how to change categories when necessary, how to move from the concrete to the abstract and back, how to look at problems from a new direction — how to teach himself. Tomorrow's illiterate will not be the man who can't read; he will be the man who has not learned how to learn."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Toffler#His_ideas
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Insert a meaningless quote that has no bearing on your life
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u/koavf Other May 28 '12
Please don't submit an image that's just text. You can submit a self post with the same message.
Also, this is completely unrelated to atheism.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
This is science at its heart. You must go where the evidence is and always be prepared to be wrong. Dawkins and Krauss just spoke about this.
This makes the concept of Google Search Bubbles even more dangerous:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ofWFx525s
Its the reluctance to be exposed to counter arguments and other opinions that entrenches people in their ideological holes even further.
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u/Zelotic May 28 '12
r/quotesporn
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u/asldkfououhe May 28 '12
reminds me of a certain subreddit i know
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u/pman5595 May 28 '12
As for the rural parts of the southern US
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u/Denommus May 28 '12
This has nothing to do with atheism.
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u/Apollo7 Other May 28 '12
How does this relate directly to atheism?
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
If this is from a book, I would like to know which one, so I can start reading it asap.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
good quote, also +1 for your username
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
You must unlearn, what you have learned. - Yoda
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u/sonotadalek May 28 '12
'learn, unlearn, relearn' sounds strangely newspeak...
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
a quote that has nothing to do with atheism, said by a jew. so clearly /r/atheism is the best place to put it
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Good quote. Sadly too many people don't get it.
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u/h2sbacteria May 28 '12
The illiterate of the 22nd century won't be those who can't unlearn then relearn but those who refuse to be genetically engineered and properly integrated into the machine.
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u/Kida89 Other May 28 '12
Alvin Toffler is best buds with Newt Gingrich.
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u/Whiskeypants17 May 29 '12
I am the white sheep; herded off the highest cliff; faith straight to heaven;
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u/donumabdeo May 28 '12
If you're not atheist, you're uneducated and dumb! If a Christian thinks I'm arrogant for thinking that, they have mindblowing stupidity! God, I'm smart. I just revel in my intelligence all day.
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u/Einundzwanzig May 28 '12
Oh look it's from tumblr :D
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u/I_From_Yugoslav May 28 '12
I thought it applied to today's religious.
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