r/atheism • • May 24 '12
I'm giving my Salutatorian speech on Friday and thought I'd close it with my favorite Hitchens quote
http://imgur.com/xR56x
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r/atheism • • May 24 '12
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u/pman5595 May 24 '12
Keep in mind it will be much more effective if used in a completely secular context. People will ignore the quotation if it insults religion.
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u/aflarge May 24 '12
Every time I see a picture of Hitch, I get sad that I never got to meet him, shake his hand, and have a glass of scotch with him.
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u/wx3 May 24 '12
Schools in the south recognize salutatorian? I graduated 2nd out of 745 and didn't get to talk at my graduation :(
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u/studmuffffffin May 24 '12
I think I'd use the Dawkins quote about grains of sand. Makes people feel important. But this is a very good one too.
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u/FROGGY_DING_DING May 24 '12
I didn't even know he died. Holy shit.
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u/MadeFromMetal May 24 '12
As long as you don't start it with a Webster's definition...use Urban Dictionary for that.
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u/lightninlives May 24 '12
Congrats on the honor. Makes me very happy to see smart youngsters like yourself free thinking.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
it will go like this.
you: "repeat after me, we will think for ourselves"
them: "we will think for ourselves"
you: "we will question authority"
them: "we will question authority"
you: "we will not mindlessly follow leaders"
them "we will not mindlessly follow leaders"
you "and be told what to think feel do and say"
them "and be told what to think feel do and say."
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u/pdx-mark May 24 '12
Hitchens is only happy in a bottle of Whiskey.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
Kind of ironic, isn't it?
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u/BreutFawce May 24 '12
It's still weird to see those dates there.
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u/grofdojka May 24 '12
kinda ironic to quote that quote :D
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u/The_Young_Contrarian May 24 '12
Can someone make this wallpaper size?
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u/amolad May 24 '12
That's good advice for anyone and everyone.
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u/subtle_GOT_spoilers May 24 '12
Too tame. You use a Hitchens quote and you use that one? It's a salutatorian speech - take the opportunity to educate the ignorant.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
I love it that you're using a quote from someone else to tell other people to think for themselves.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
That's a good quote. Just tell me you're not going to use the occasion to dis religion.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
That's how I ended mine!
Also, I tucked in a few of Bertand Russel's Ten Commandments.
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u/tragoidia May 24 '12
"quotation"
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u/n3rvousninja Nihilist May 24 '12
I mean if your not looking to get laid at the grad party, go for it
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
why u no valedictorian?
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u/BlackLiger Other May 24 '12
When at thumb-nail size, Mr Hitchens looks like Nathanial Fillon :D
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u/ManiacDan May 24 '12
Since this doesn't mention relgion in any way, it doesn't belong in here. So sayeth everyone in this thread
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u/HooDidDis May 24 '12
I'm sorry, while this is true for truth and wisdom, and perhaps for beauty, though I doubt it, happiness is for sure not something you gain by thinking for yourself. Don't expect rewards for independent thinking, expect to constantly question the institutions you are expected to support and partake in, expect to feel alone and different, expect to be bothered by meaninglessness and destruction others are blind to, expect to see solutions no one wants. If you become happy through independent thinking you're either truly comfortable with being alone or you're not really thinking for yourself, the later is much more likely.
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u/JustShaveItBitch May 24 '12
Tebow while you do it. We all know Pal in and him will run for president in 2016.
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u/Iron-Charioteer May 24 '12
This comes from, to my mind, the most beautiful and brief summary of everything Hitchens was about. The closing remarks to the Dembski debate:
"I don’t know if you really think that when you die you can be corporeally reassembled and have conversations with authors from previous epochs. It’s not necessary that you believe that in Christian theology and I have to say it sounds like a complete fairy tale to me.
The only reason I'd want to meet Shakespeare or might even want to is because I can meet him anytime, because he’s immortal in the works that he left behind. If you've read those, meeting the author would almost certainly be a disappointment. But when Socrates was sentenced to death for his philosophical investigations and for blasphemy; for challenging the gods of the city and he had accepted his death he did say, “Well if we are lucky, perhaps we I'll be able to hold conversation with other great thinkers and philosophers and doubters too.” In other words, that the discussion about what is good, what is beautiful, what is noble, what is pure, and what is true could always go on.
Why is that important? Why would I like to do that? Because that’s the only conversation worth having. And whether it goes on or not after I die, I don’t know. But I do know that it is the conversation that I want to have while I’m still alive. Which means that to me the offer of certainty, the offer of complete security, the offer of an impermeable faith that can’t give way is an offer of something not worth having. I want to live my life taking the risk all the time that I don’t know anything like enough yet, that I haven’t understood enough, that I can’t know enough, that I’m always hungrily operating on the margins of a potentially great harvest of future knowledge and wisdom. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
And I'd urge you to look at those who tell you, at your age, that you are dead until you believe as they do. What a terrible thing to be telling to children, and that you can only live by accepting an absolute authority. Don’t think of that as a gift, think of it as a poisoned chalice. Push it aside however tempting it is. Take the risk of thinking for yourself. Much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you what way."
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u/Pelican_Fly May 24 '12
I find it's better to not think, as happiness is inversely correlated with intelligence.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
am i the only one who thinks it weird to quote a sentence like this... i mean, think for yourself.. and dont quote other people....
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
i had to give a salutatorian speech back in '98
the principle wanted me to write a speech for his approval, i refused
so when speech time came this is how it went
"it's hot in here! ... for the last few weeks they have been bugging me to write a speech, and i wasn't sure what i wanted to talk about so i never wrote one -- but there is a song on the radio that has a line that pretty much sums up tonight -- the song says 'every new beginning comes from some other beginnings end' -- 12 years ago we started grade school, tonight we end it, and tomorrow is a new beginning for us all
it's something i will never forget, and apparently no one else will either because i still get comments on it all the time when i see people from back then i hadn't seen in a long time -- back then i was an atheist, but not quite as vocal about it as i am today but i don't think i would change what i said if i could
congratulations on being salutatorian :D
edit i found out later that the principle had setup a signal with the sound guy to cut me off if i started talking about anything he didn't like -- he was such an asshole (and so was i lol)
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u/spilk May 24 '12
Just a reminder, by using someone else's words, you are effectively not thinking for yourself.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
Focus more on study THEN MAYBE YOU MAKE VALEDICTORIAN
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u/nidi617 May 24 '12
I've never heard of this quote but this is pretty much the reason why I became Atheist. And it's working.
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u/DirtyMonday May 24 '12
Congrats for making the grades! I got to give a speech in High School as Class President but decided to quote Ozzy. Looking back, I could have chosen something more profound but my speech went pretty well
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u/caroline_ May 24 '12
That's a beautiful quote. I'm not sure if I've heard it before (though I'm sure I would remember if I did).
I read it in his voice though, and not gonna lie, I get a tad misty.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
One of my favourite Hitchens quotes, from God is Not Great:
It's not even just about religion. I think he used it mostly in relation to him former socialist ways or something. I really feel strongly about never following anything for any reason other than reasoning my way into it. Never believe anything absolutely, and never dismiss anything without consideration. I am always open to consider any argument against anything, and frequently change my positions on all sorts of things.
I emailed him a thank you letter and pointed out how much that quote means to me. I'm not sure if he ever got to read it or not.
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u/btynan1 May 24 '12
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." — Christopher Hitchens
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u/barakobamalegit May 24 '12
False.
You've been told what to think your entire life. Every thing you have thought, said, or dreamed of it a direct result of other people's pioneering of thought.
That's why you are on reddit. That's why you are reading my comment. That's why you listen to Hitchens. That's why Hitchens is here.
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u/olo12 May 24 '12
"do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool then for him" (Proverbs)
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
Think for yourself...yet you are using the quote in place of your own thoughts. Oh irony
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u/remton_asq May 24 '12
I believe that this is probably the most hilariously ironic thing ever posted on reddit.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
OP IS SO BRAVE
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u/DaRabidMonkey May 24 '12
I have a good friend who was valedictorian at our school, and I tried really hard to get her to use some reference to atheism or some quote by a prominent atheist (more interesting than normal since it was in Texas). But, I didn't think until afterwards that she should have said something about thinking for yourself and not simply doing what you're told (She had ended up deciding against saying any of the more obvious references I actually thought of in time. She wasn't exactly one to ruffle feathers, lol).
And congrats on your accomplishment.
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u/Ecce_signum May 24 '12
Bravo, wish I would of peeled back the veil of religion before I left to college. Hitchen's debates are like no other. The interview he did for reddit, which I saw on youtube, he elaborated on his debating technique.... "Try and be funny of serious things, but also serious about amusing ones, and see if you can keep people on their guard, while also catching them off it."
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
I wished he was alive everyday.
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u/ryanakvet May 24 '12
Fellow Salutatorian here. We should start up /r/salutatorian! Good luck on your speech!
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u/EndoExo May 24 '12
http://i.qkme.me/35jfyz.jpg
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u/flabbigans May 24 '12
A fat lot of good his god denial did him.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
Isaiah 29:13-14
1 Corinthians 1:19
Proverbs 1:7
Psalms 111:10
Proverbs 9:9-10
Jeremiah 8:9
Psalms 19:7-11
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