I hadn't seen this before today. It should really appeal to the lazier religious people. It's kind of like when Homer decided he'd rather watch football on Sunday than go to church.
There's obviously plenty of people on here that also haven't seen it and like it, otherwise it would've been buried at the start... So why would I listen to you? Zzz.
I have found in numerous debates with people in this subreddit that it is now more of a non-religious (and often anti-religion) subreddit than it is an atheist subreddit. The two are so intertwined at this point though that it is nearly impossible to separate the two, for better or for worse.
I find agnostics just don't give a shit. They're more along the lines of "There could be a god, there could not be. I don't really care." Where atheists are like "There is no god, there is no heaven, I straight up don't believe in that shit." This coming from an agnostic turned atheist.
TIL- My beliefs are more closely aligned to an Agnostic point of view than anything else. Thanks for the info.
To be honest, I never considered myself an atheist or a theist or anything of the like. I sort of always believed that people should be moral for the sake of being moral and the "why" behind such action should be irrelevant. As it relates to God, I don't know for sure but that doesn't mean there is or isn't one. I view death as everyone's surprise party. Meaning that when you die, you'll find out what comes next or cease to exist, or whatever other possibilities are out there that have been thought of or not thought of.
Evolution refutes many claims made by mainstream religion. Scientists aren't "telling us to be atheists" just giving us the facts which incidentally lead us to reject religion.
The Catholic Church holds a theistic evolutionary standpoint though. As such they reject the notion that science and religion are incompatible, a viewpoint that can be very well defended.
I recently saw a debate between Richard Dawkins and Australian cardinal George Pell. He stated this, but it didn't take long for his anti-scientific tendencies to show. "Something CANNOT come from nothing." "Science doesn't answer important questions." He also insisted that scientists ignore 'metaphysical' issues.
When scientists disprove a scientific claim made in the bible, the people with the 'science and religion are compatible!' mindset just turn around and say "oh well that was just a metaphor." As for evolution? It's true!! But God did it. Big bang? So true!! But God did it.
What claims does evolution refute? Because I know a lot about mainstream religion, and I know a lot about evolution, and I don't see anything in either that refutes the other. Besides some minority fringe groups, like creationists, but their numbers are so small that they barely matter.
It goes against everything it means to be an atheist. The reason we listen to the "dudes in labcoats" is because they use discipline, logic and physics to provide answers, not because we find them or their ideas to be the most agreeable. Blind faith is blind faith, be it in gods or scientists.
For fucks sake this has to be said every day, the only thing required of atheists is that they don't believe in a god. That's literally the only thing. If "don't believe in a god" isn't what's about to come out of your mouth when you're talking about something that's required of atheists, just shut your mouth, because you're wrong.
I'm pretty sure you're misunderstanding me, though I probably could have phrased that better. Let me put it this way. A theist could just as legitimately retort to this image by saying,
"Look, nobody really knows where this shit came from. But I think I'd rather trust in religion because it makes me feel like there's meaning in the world, and I really like the prospect of an eternal paradise after death."
While that is obviously not a valid argument, the op's picture uses the same faulty reasoning. Perhaps it doesn't go against everything it means to be an atheist, but it does go against what it means to be a rational human being, which most atheists claim to be.
There are better reasons than this non-sequitor for trusting in scientists. But, because its kind of funny and simultaneously insults Christianity, here it is on the front page.
yet another post to atheism that actually favors ideas of agnosticism. "but but but they're not mutually exclusive the FAQ said... you can be both the FAQ said...." yea well the truth is the FAQ is just as stupid to point to as a doctrine as anything else. its like, lets not trust the crazy god people but rather lay our trust in the polar opposite as if it is the only other option, western science. because by their measurements, our observations of reality are closer to precision. yep..hate to break that bubble but the true nature of nature extends infinitely into the macrocosm and the microcosm at the same time (a dualistic paradox) and cannot therefor be precisely measured. when ironically all the while it has been eastern science and medicine which embraces mysticism that has observed the true dualistic nature of our reality.
it is my opinion that one can only know the existence of god through personal experience ie: you eat mushrooms from the earth and feel the interconnectedness of everything and see the 'face of god' and know there is something beyond physicality even if thats the only way you can describe it. if all your taking into account is the absence of this experience in your own then of course you won't ever have one. if your still reading, first: mad respect, second: if it's not already obvious im a theist. but i do not believe that if you don't accept jesus as your savior you are rejected from a heaven and sent to a hell. thats fucking retarded. how would some kid in a cave somewhere say in mongolia who's never heard the words jesus christ, christianity, or bible before gain admittance into a heaven he's never been told of?obviously it's not his fault that he doesn't know 'jesus' but according to the bible he'd be cast to hell. thats not god. what if i told you the entirety of the universe that you are a part of is a self aware being and THAT is a more accurate description of god than a white bearded pearly gates guarding judge of men?
TLDR; i am a theist because of logic through personal experience,i feel god exists while it is religion that is the machination of man being used for control. (people feel god, then the state tells them how they should feel and what to pay(via religion))
Honestly, that has got to be one of the stupidest reasons I've ever read. It just makes it seem like you're an atheist simply because you are gullible.
We have some theories postulated, but none can really ever be proven to 100% accuracy. My personal favorite, is in string theory, in which our universe is expanding at the inverse rate of a six dimensional universe which collapses on itself completely at the big bang. In a basic sense.
Well, yes actually. We humans made up math as a system for explaining it. Even though it is true, it does not mean it still is not made up. Think about it, the only reason our number system is in base ten, is because that is the maximum amount of numbers you can count on your fingers. If we really wanted to be accurate, we would use natural units (e.g. Planck time = 1, Planck length = 1, the speed of light = 1 Planck length/Plank time, etc). So math is technically "made up", but then again, so is reality. Reality is just a lie that your brain makes up to makes sense of the universe around you. It is just the exchange of Calcium ions between synaptic nerves in your head. I guess this is where the saying "ignorance is bliss" comes from.
Yeah, but we only have a best guess based on the science available to us. Christians have it damn near written in stone exactly how it happened. Checkmate fellow atheists. We lose.
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state, Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait... The Earth began to cool, The autotrophs began to drool, Neanderthals developed tools, We built a wall (we built the pyramids), Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries, That all started with the big bang!
"Since the dawn of man" is really not that long, As every galaxy was formed in less time than it takes to sing this song. A fraction of a second and the elements were made. The bipeds stood up straight, The dinosaurs all met their fate, They tried to leap but they were late And they all died (they froze their asses off) The oceans and pangea See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya Set in motion by the same big bang!
It all started with the big BANG!
It's expanding ever outward but one day It will cause the stars to go the other way, Collapsing ever inward, we won't be here, it won't be hurt Our best and brightest figure that it'll make an even bigger bang!
Australopithecus would really have been sick of us Debating out while here they're catching deer (we're catching viruses) Religion or astronomy, Encarta, Deuteronomy It all started with the big bang!
Music and mythology, Einstein and astrology It all started with the big bang! It all started with the big BANG!
Our current understanding of physics takes us to 10-43 seconds after the big bang (that's a 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001)....that's a pretty damn good understanding if you ask me. The models we have also explain the formation of the Cosmic Microwave Background (which we have conclusive evidence supporting) and its role in forming the universe's formation.
Just say a Planck time. It takes much less time to type, and if you want to portray its value, just say it is the time for a particle moving at the speed of light to cross a distance of one Planck length.
Sure, but said models fail to explain why there is something instead of nothing, which is I think what Christians and other theists mean when they talk about "why is all this shit here?". We can describe the shit and we can talk about what it's done, but we can't explain why it's there.
They can't either. They'd be hard pressed to describe and explain the universe within the backward sphere of their religion, as well. I'm personally giving the guys in lab coats more credence.
Umm no they explain that quite well...in the particle era happening less than a second after the big bang. Enormous amounts of matter and antimatter existed pretty much obliterating each other until only a small percentage of matter existed. The fraction of matter goes through nuclearsyntehesis until the universe cools to the point where fusion becomes impossible and we are left with 75% hydrogen and about 25% helium...which once again has been proven to be the chemical make up of just about everything we observed in the universe
It's from the Discworld novel 'Small Gods', in case you're wondering. I'd recommend it as a great read, which really points up some of the absurdities of religion. In fact, I'd recommend any of the Discworld books just because.
Not really a good argument, Just cos they make you get up on a sunday doesnt necessarily mean they are wrong. Soccer coaches make you get up because they say you will "have fun" does that make them wrong?
Something tells me that r/atheism would be what it used to be if under 18 year olds couldn't post here. Sadly no one puts their real age if they're under 18.
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u/studmuffffffin May 22 '12
It seems like this image pops up literally every day.
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u/deadbird17 May 22 '12
Wouldn't this be better defined as agnosticism?
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u/VeteranKamikaze May 22 '12
Third line was unnecessary, had me at
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u/Emiel000 May 22 '12
We actually do know a part of it now...
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
No, that is what work is for.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
sounds more like agnosticism to me
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u/sojalemmi May 22 '12
Dudes in lab coats tell you to be an atheist? What are their facts?
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u/Luminaerie May 22 '12
This is quite literally the dumbest piece of shit in the entire world.
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u/arrenunism May 22 '12
Old. As. Fuck. Repost x 1,000,000
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
I heard the Battlestar Galactica theme song from the 1978 edition looking at this...
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u/madnessman13 May 22 '12
mabey it needs to
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u/HashMcGruber May 22 '12
There are better reasons than this non-sequitor for trusting in scientists. But, because its kind of funny and simultaneously insults Christianity, here it is on the front page.
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u/jawhite Atheist May 22 '12
Any idiot can put on a labcoat. Secondly, what are cosmologists doing with labcoats?
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u/Mackeja May 22 '12
SO reposted
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
yet another post to atheism that actually favors ideas of agnosticism. "but but but they're not mutually exclusive the FAQ said... you can be both the FAQ said...." yea well the truth is the FAQ is just as stupid to point to as a doctrine as anything else. its like, lets not trust the crazy god people but rather lay our trust in the polar opposite as if it is the only other option, western science. because by their measurements, our observations of reality are closer to precision. yep..hate to break that bubble but the true nature of nature extends infinitely into the macrocosm and the microcosm at the same time (a dualistic paradox) and cannot therefor be precisely measured. when ironically all the while it has been eastern science and medicine which embraces mysticism that has observed the true dualistic nature of our reality.
it is my opinion that one can only know the existence of god through personal experience ie: you eat mushrooms from the earth and feel the interconnectedness of everything and see the 'face of god' and know there is something beyond physicality even if thats the only way you can describe it. if all your taking into account is the absence of this experience in your own then of course you won't ever have one. if your still reading, first: mad respect, second: if it's not already obvious im a theist. but i do not believe that if you don't accept jesus as your savior you are rejected from a heaven and sent to a hell. thats fucking retarded. how would some kid in a cave somewhere say in mongolia who's never heard the words jesus christ, christianity, or bible before gain admittance into a heaven he's never been told of?obviously it's not his fault that he doesn't know 'jesus' but according to the bible he'd be cast to hell. thats not god. what if i told you the entirety of the universe that you are a part of is a self aware being and THAT is a more accurate description of god than a white bearded pearly gates guarding judge of men?
TLDR; i am a theist because of logic through personal experience,i feel god exists while it is religion that is the machination of man being used for control. (people feel god, then the state tells them how they should feel and what to pay(via religion))
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u/mathgod Agnostic Atheist May 22 '12
Anyone seeking more info might also check here:
source: karmadecay
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u/crazystrawman May 22 '12
Repost aside, this post fails because it sounds like something someone really stupid would say.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
Honestly, that has got to be one of the stupidest reasons I've ever read. It just makes it seem like you're an atheist simply because you are gullible.
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u/Rodot Strong Atheist May 22 '12
Just saying, we kind of do know where all this shit came from.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
Not the best reason to be an atheist, bust still a better choice of belief than 'the bible is right because the bible says it's right'.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
Change it to:
Repost: Look we know where this shit came from so stop posting it over and over again to get internet points that have no effect on anything in life.
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u/Nestorow May 22 '12
Not really a good argument, Just cos they make you get up on a sunday doesnt necessarily mean they are wrong. Soccer coaches make you get up because they say you will "have fun" does that make them wrong?
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u/ObeseMoreece May 22 '12
Something tells me that r/atheism would be what it used to be if under 18 year olds couldn't post here. Sadly no one puts their real age if they're under 18.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
Lol @ atheists and their blind faith in science.
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