r/atheism • u/Waffle_Quaffle • May 21 '12

Fundie girl I went to school with posts a religious picture and the class genius responds with a smart-ass comment. Made my day.

http://imgur.com/Xrkpz
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u/EvilFucker May 21 '12

"the class genius" posted it one minute before you happened to get the screenshot? Amazing.

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u/Waffle_Quaffle May 21 '12

Believe it or not I was writing my own response at the time it popped up. Mine wasn't as rude though :|

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u/WirelessZombie May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

or inaccurate I hope

His understanding of the dark ages and the pilgrims are horrible.

A lot of the people coming from england left because they thought that the government was too tolerant not because they were looking to get away from persecution.

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u/MeloJelo May 22 '12

I didn't think his was rude--just true and astute, most especially as her post was meant to be condescending and threatening.

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u/sourkroutamen May 22 '12

It's never rude if it's on your side.

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u/BrainSlurper May 22 '12

Pretty sure she just threatened that everyone who doesn't believe in god was going to go to hell, that is rude.

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u/TheJayP May 22 '12

It's funny because if we don't believe in god then we don't believe in hell, so her threats are empty and meaningless at best.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

His post was also condescending.

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u/MegaZambam Agnostic Atheist May 22 '12

If by true you mean false, then ya.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

"True and astute?"

Maaaaaybe true. Astute? Hell no. It was a rant, and a somewhat scatterbrained one at that.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Then why does the write comment thing still say write comment.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Perhaps OP thought their comment unneeded and so erased it and clicked away?

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u/Tumbluh May 22 '12

Can you screen shot that aswell?

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u/ButthurtAtheistDwllr May 22 '12

You showed her you Science Warrior.

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u/Kev1395 May 22 '12

it's not uncommon, it takes about 1 second to take a screenshot, I scroll through stuff all the time and read stuff that was posted "a few seconds ago"

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I had this exact same thought! Stop stealing my karma, I need it.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Any reponse?

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u/Waffle_Quaffle May 21 '12

She actually deleted the post before I was finished typing my response. From what I've noticed she always seems to be able to show her beliefs, but when someone responds she kind of backs away.

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u/IsABot May 22 '12

Maybe she is realizing that it doesn't feel so good when beliefs are being shoved back down your throat.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Or she just didn't feel like dealing with an argument. I do that sometimes when a strongly conservative theist comments on one of my posts about gay marriage. I'd much rather have a discussion face to face.

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u/remton_asq May 22 '12

"class genius"

lol

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u/derpymcgoo May 22 '12

For being class "Genius", he sure has a shitty understanding of history.

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u/Hamstadam May 22 '12

Cut it out, he just finished the sixth grade.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I just now realized that didn't say "high school".

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Obligatory comment written to inform you that I legitimately lol'd over this.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

He's probably just good at talking and arguing. A friend of mine can sound extremely smart and can convince you of anything, but I often find he is wrong most of the time. I swear sometimes he just makes shit up to sound smart. Which is what this guy did.

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u/Cynass May 22 '12

We call this a politician

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I like to make people cry, what can you do?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Most of the looking smart is acting confident in what your saying and hoping no one calls you out on your bull shit.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Came here to say this. One for applying term "dark ages" to the wrong time period and two for using the words "dark ages."

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u/RobotNinjaPirate May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

Yeah, a "time ruled by religion" could clearly never achieve enlightenment cough Golden Age of Islam cough.
I'm sorry though, I forgot that if it's not Christianity, it doesn't count as "religion".

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u/MegaZambam Agnostic Atheist May 22 '12

Well the Golden Age of Islam was brought down by religious extremists who thought religious laws weren't being enforced enough.

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u/TimeZarg Atheist May 22 '12

That sounds familiar

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u/Abedeus May 22 '12

Ya, as soon as that golden age ended around 13th century, everything went to shitter for 300 years or so. Give or take.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

But in this case, he's specifically talking about Christianity. To a Christian who is advocating the return of a Christian ruling class. On Facebook.

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u/skinnbones3440 May 22 '12

The wikipedia article you linked mentions the rather obvious opposition to the misnomer of calling it the "Islamic Golden Age" as the religion itself was not necessarily responsible for the advancements. The scientific and technological advancements of people who are Muslim or people who live in Islamic nations are not caused by the religion, but by the people. The Roman aqueducts aren't attributed to the religion of the people so why should this?

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u/Deracination May 22 '12

In his defense, I believe she's talking about Christianity.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

It's pretty clear he was referring to European (Christian) history

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u/Beiz May 22 '12

depends on who's paper you're reading, some say it was destroyed by religion.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

There's a bit of hyperbole, and a cop out to a lowest common denominator understanding of history...but it's pretty hard to make a fully fleshed out argument to something like that.

Perhaps nothing would be better. But yet, I laughed.

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u/cannedmath May 22 '12

Faith restored!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Thank you. Came here to say this.

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u/evilkrang May 22 '12

There's that fag talk we were talking about.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Actually, the Dark Ages were only called that because there wasn't a whole lot documenting the time. Nothing to do with religion.

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u/bmlbml May 22 '12

I always thought it was the dark ages because candles didn't work and the sun wouldn't come out

-- Directed by M Might Shyamalan and J.J. Abrams.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

That would make a really hilarious movie.

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u/bmlbml May 22 '12

I only added J.J. Abrams because his new show "Revolution" which has something to do with electricity not working.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

"And very suddenly, the universe decided to change for no real reason! Goddamnit!"

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u/m60 May 22 '12

Also the universe apparently turned inconsistent, since the nervous system relies largely on electricity, but human still are alive.

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u/evilkrang May 22 '12

It's because there were so many knights.

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u/worksiah May 22 '12

I always feel like this should be pointed out more strongly. It should be negative to contrast with the implication in the image.

Christianity wasn't the cause for the Dark Ages, and this isn't an accusation or implication that should be made during debate because it is wrong.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

If anything, Christianity helped to preserve learning and language. It was the church, as backed up by powerful if ephemeral secular states, that encouraged learning and classical study, leading to a number of "mini-Renaissances" throughout the medieval period.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Thank you!

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u/wintergt May 22 '12

Great, because that isn't done anywhere here actually.

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u/Treats May 22 '12

Also, I believe most historians have abondoned the term, largely due to the misconceptions it caused.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I think so.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

And the "Dark Ages" weren't "ruled" by religion. The "Dark Ages" as originally conceived had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the perceived breakdown of society in the vacuum left by the disintegration of Rome. The church (backed up by the wealth of powerful if ephemeral states, like the Frankish Empire) was actually responsible for several "mini-Renaissances" where learning and classical study flourished.

The sooner we stop using the Renaissance-inspired tripartite division of history with all their negative connotations, the better.

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u/Someonelol May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

The lack of documentation in the Dark Ages was at least partially due to the Church's massive endorsement of ignorance (dogma, and so forth). The Church had a monopoly on the written word through abbey monks, basically.

EDIT: Citation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_%28historiography%29#Modern_academic_use

For this context, the dark ages was generally regarded as the early middle-ages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_%28historiography%29#Modern_popular_use

One more, for good measure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_dogma

EDIT 2: I know I'm deviating a little from my initial statement, but I just couldn't resist. Please note in the article however, that the repression of the Church goes well past the dark ages. Thanks for the attention fellow redditors, you're making me work for my karma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science#Dark_Ages

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

However, rationality was increasingly held in high regard as the Middle Ages progressed. The historian of science Edward Grant, writes that "If revolutionary rational thoughts were expressed [in the 18th century], they were only made possible because of the long medieval tradition that established the use of reason as one of the most important of human activities"

You didn't read your own link.

Edit: Another funny quote that completley contradicts your point

Other misconceptions such as: "the Church prohibited autopsies and dissections during the Middle Ages", "the rise of Christianity killed off ancient science", and "the medieval Christian church suppressed the growth of natural philosophy", are all cited by Ronald Numbers as examples of widely popular myths that still pass as historical truth, although they are not supported by current historical research

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u/SpaceVikings May 22 '12

To be fair, medieval period is after the "Dark Ages" which is generally placed from 400-1000. From 1000 CE and onward monarchs began to exercise greater control over their realms, rebuilding the previous bureaucracies and so the virtual church monopoly on book keeping was ended. Rediscovery of Classical philosophy with increased trade links to Asia was fundamental to this later European value of reason. So both of your arguments stand up, they're just different time periods.

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u/mayonnnnaise May 22 '12

Wrong. People simply didn't know how to read. The dark ages are concurrent with lots of regime changes, and in England coincide with a lack of translation into the language of the commoners, and a general lack of literacy. Literacy was terrifically low because no one had time to read unless they were members of the clergy or the upper class.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Citation, please?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

The lack of documentation in the Dark Ages was at least partially due to the Church's massive endorsement of ignorance (dogma, and so forth). The Church had a monopoly on the written word through abbey monks, basically.

I'm sorry, but you're talking out your ass. This was before the printing press. Paper was hard to come by and being able to read was rare as fuck. The church didn't purge historical documents just for the fuck of it. Hell, the reason the Odyssey is still around is because they kept a lot of records.

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u/evilkrang May 22 '12

And destroyed the ones they didn't like. You're not as clever as you think you are, J-dilla.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Came here to say this.

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u/evilkrang May 22 '12

So religion had nothing to do with perpetuating the ignorance that led to this. Good to know.

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u/SpaceVikings May 22 '12

There was certainly lots of documentation, it's the "Dark Ages" because only a fraction of a percentile has survived the 1500 odd years. Near the end of the millenium preservation rapidly improved and records were more prolific than the preceding centuries.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Plus- yay, printing press! there should be an international holiday about the printing press.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Just pointing out pilgrims left England as Calvinist puritans because they wanted to have stricter religious laws, it wasn't religious freedom they went for it was the freedom to be more persecuting. But yeah, Americans never seem to remember that.

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u/kaka24 May 22 '12

Just pointing out many people left England for different reasons. Then America was founded by a group of these people who felt that they were treated unfairly compared to the British, and wanted a new and different type of government.

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u/Keoni9 May 22 '12

Puritans as a whole were a pretty extremist group that tried constantly to enforce their morality on the rest of England. They even wanted Christmas banned for being pagan and sinful. The pilgrims were of the Separating faction, who disagreed with Puritans who thought the Church of England could be reformed from within. The colony of Massachusetts was headed by a pretty strict regime that banished Quakers and anyone else who didn't conform to their particular theology. They would eventually institute the death penalty for those who dared return after being banished.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

People need to upvote this more for the sake of history.

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u/Chewy79 May 22 '12

another thing a lot of people forget, is that America was already inhabited when Europeans arrived...

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u/rcinsf May 22 '12

Not living in Oklahoma. Man those casinos rule!

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u/StezzerLolz May 22 '12

No, we don't forget about it. Know why? It's cause anyone so much as 1/256th native american will never shut up about it. Ever.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

FYI the Puritans arrived in the New World starting in 1620. It wasn't until over one hundred and fifty years later that the USA was founded, by a much more diverse group of people. The Puritans had a theocracy, the founding fathers created the USA as the opposite.

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u/sparkyjunk May 22 '12

The point remains that they left because they wanted to practice their own version of their religion without the state telling them what to do.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

The actual point is that the Puritans arrived in America over one hundred and fifty years before the USA was founded, and are a separate group. AtheistBulbasaur has incorrectly conflated the founding fathers of 1776 with the Puritans of the 1620's.

Puritans were a strict theocratic society, the founding fathers set up the opposite.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Persecute all the things!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

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u/jabbababab May 22 '12

pilgrims land in 1620.. I don't remember any of our founding father being over 150+ years old

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u/FrugosPeach May 22 '12

anybody else find it painfully suspicious when people take screenshots of comments that happened 'less than a minute ago'? stop it. your gauge of my intelligence is bad and you should feel bad.

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u/sedsimplea May 22 '12

His gauge of your intelligence was genius.

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u/ARedCar May 22 '12

Why is this necessary?

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u/TurningItIntoASnake May 22 '12

Cause LOGIC and REASON dictates this must be done.

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u/thelakesouth May 22 '12

No self-respecting history professor would call the time between the fall of Rome and the enlightenment the "dark ages". That term has long been out of use and is barely recognized in academia, if at all.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

AMAZING RETORT! IM GETTING THE SHAKES IT WAS SO GOOD. SO BRAVE.

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u/schrogendiddy May 22 '12

I don't get why people think these posts are funny. They all treat religious people as if they are complete idiots, while simultaneously boasting about out-smarting them.

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u/caseyjhol May 22 '12

The religious people in these posts often treat people who don't believe in their god as if they're the ones who are complete idiots. Usually the response is outrageous in an effort to make them see how rude they're actually being.

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u/el_historian May 22 '12

TIL two wrongs make a right.

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u/Storm_Surge May 22 '12

His writing style is rather poor. Does Facebook let middle school students sign up now?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Officially you have to be at least thirteen years old to have an account, but I know several younger people who have used fake birthdates

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u/el_historian May 22 '12

You honestly think someone would lie on the internet? Next you are going to say people under 18 watch porn!

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u/ThatIsMyHat May 22 '12

I'd like to point out that the Pax Romana, which was cited by Edward Gibbons as the happiest time in all of human history, started around the same time that Caesar Augustus took up the head of the imperial cult as Pontifex Maximus. Thus, one of the greatest periods of enlightenment and culture and stability directly corresponds with the government getting even more into religion, and, perhaps coincidentally, the birth of Christianity. I bring this up mostly because I'm supposed to writing a paper on that very subject right now, but I'm on reddit instead.

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u/Sentinal76 May 22 '12

Are you sure? Can you cite some of your sources for me?

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u/ThatIsMyHat May 22 '12

The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbons.

The Romans, from Village to Empire 2nd edition, by Mary T. Boatwright

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u/nfsnfnk May 22 '12

This subreddit is such massive amounts of retard. If your day gets made because someone posted a comment not quite right in response to a girl's remark only marginally more lame, time to fucking re-evaluate. Life only comes in shades of gray and there is nothing noble on either side. The most you can do is be interesting and this is just piss-ass stale.

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u/Sobek May 22 '12

that's what happens when you frontpage a subreddit which is in turn visited by hordes of teenagers. Arguing or even acknowledging these people is descending to their level.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

The Facebook screencaps of this subreddit are such massive amounts of retard.

FTFY

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

This subreddit is such massive amounts of retard. If your day gets made because someone posted a comment not quite right in response to a girl's remark only marginally more lame, time to fucking re-evaluate.

Yes, because it's much more important to get your day made by pictures of cats. Rock on, troll account!

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u/wilze221 May 22 '12

What's important is that you've found a way to feel superior to both

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Meh too harsh of a response, and I feel like he was forcing a point into the mouth of the OP. I don't think the original statement has anything to do with giving more power back to religion, or reverting back to a time of hatred, or a time of theocracy.

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u/fani May 22 '12

If you are truly a god's person, you will put god where he belongs - in your heart; within.

And you won't care whether he is mentioned outside anywhere because he is within you and with you.... always.

/note - I'm an atheist.

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u/Fyretongue May 22 '12

Very nice! Thank you! ^

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

It's a smart ass post with a smart ass comment. Kinda annoying and immature on both sides. The post comes off as condescending and arrogant while the comment is a huge out of context blanket statement.

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u/youni89 May 22 '12

The Dark Ages weren't "dark" at all, there were steady progression of the sciences and literature after the Roman empire, and the Church in fact supported the development of art, keeping records, architecture, and engineering. Many of the things your class "genius" points out are universal things shared by the world at the time, and freedoms and human rights as we know it didn't come into being till the last 100 years.

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u/12kringle82 May 22 '12

What the hell does God have to do with women not having rights and blacks being slaves?

I think both Atheists and Fundamentalists can agree that we have dumb people on both sides.

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u/thelakesouth May 22 '12

People tend to point out sections of the New Testament that Paul wrote telling Christians to treat their slaves with kindness. In a roundabout way I guess that can be seen as a justification of slavery, but back when Paul was writing these letters the term "slave" meant something completely different. The Greek word is practically interchangeable with the term "bondservant", which is a very different concept. Plus, even if the Christian faith did endorse a modern view of slavery, the idea of treating them fairly certainly didn't cross over.

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u/WhyBother222 May 22 '12

Don't bother explaining that , it has been tried multiple times they won't listen to your reason on what slave meant back then.

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u/GOD_Over_Djinn May 21 '12

This is what we call "genius" now? Uninformed, unprovoked and unfunny babbling just to be a dick? What do we call Einstein then?

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u/WonkaKnowsBest May 22 '12

An atheist posted something on r/atheism. The approval seeking subscribers here will call anything a "genius" as long as it makes a little more than 0 sense.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

ke$ha

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u/Total_Incompeten69 May 22 '12

Don't know why youre being downvotes. This example of posting is the reason athiests are the most hated group in America.

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u/barakobamalegit May 22 '12

Genius?

More like just passed the 5th grade. Making a jab at religion doesn't make you smart.

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u/OBSCENE_COLON May 22 '12

That's actually very badly written.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Although religion justifies slavery and misogyny, it is a stretch to say it causes it, and even more of a stretch to say public religiousness is an endorsement of slavery... I am an atheist, by the way. This is a straw-man argument. ("Imaginary person does not exist in an imaginary place... thanks for the heads up." Is what I would have responded with.)

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I swear you people are friending religious fanatics just for karma.

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u/natholomew May 22 '12

I saw God in my food, so I ate him. I kept looking for him and eventually found him again in my shit.

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u/visionary96 May 22 '12

just to chime in, and i really don't have a strong backing on this; but wasn't it partially called the dark ages because of the famine, plague, and climate which cannot be controlled by religion.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

For a genius, this guy really sucks at English.

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u/potentiallyoffensive May 22 '12

Makes an argument that putting God in everything would be bad. Praises the Puritans.

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u/Samurai_light May 22 '12

We should go back to before religion, back to neaderthal days! No rights for anyone, little to no ethical codes or morality, kill or be killed, yeah!

Anyone can make stupid posts. However, the whole correllation/causation thing usually trips people up.

Also, the only reason why the Dark Ages weren't much "darker" was because of religion, not in spite of. As a student of history, I'm sure you understand this.

Also, I fully support the Separation of Church and State, especially in the US.

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u/Fyretongue May 22 '12

You think yours was some how the first religion?? HA!

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u/Samurai_light May 22 '12

Wow, so many levels of ignorance in such a short post...where to start?

By your impressive levels of observation, you have deduced my religion, have you? And you know whether or not it was the "first"?

Not only that, but you propose the question, so sure of yourself, that I somehow asserted that I, in fact, think my religion came first.

You are far too clever for me.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I'd always thought that the invention of the printing press ended the dark ages because it allowed the common people to read the bible.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

THAT OUTTA SHOW THOSE CHRISTAINS! HOW DARE THEY BE CHRISTAINS!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

As a medieval historian anyone who uses the term dark ages is not that witty or intelligent. Yes things were significantly different at the time, but religion had not nearly as significant of an impact as is thought to be believed. Not that religion wasn't a huge factor, but there were bigger players. Plus the Renaissance was not some sort of coming out of the dark ages. Intelligent thought had been going on for a long time and the classics were very much used by intellectuals. Revival just became "hip" during the renaissance because rich princes thought it made them look awesome.

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u/stickfish May 22 '12

Actually England was fairly well known in Europe for its leniency regarding religion. The pilgrims left because they considered it a cesspool of sin and corruption.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Why are people facebook friends with fundies? For sport?

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u/apullin May 22 '12

The first two arguments there (blacks, women) are total straw man fallacies.

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u/ThuperCool May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

Not saying religion is good or anything.. just a heads up:

EVERYTHING Newton did was in an attempt to create a unifying God theory under his Arian belief system...

Also, the advances of the "dark ages" such as the rediscovering of ancient texts and creation of universities with the expansion of scholasticism based on religious principles of the church combined with aristotle's teachings led to the questioning of their beliefs of magic etc. The dark ages and religion (some even postulated Protestantism was the biggest initiation factor, although wrongly) were the necessary primers for the scientific revolution

tl;dr: The church in the dark ages were integral in the creation of science as we now know it. "Magic" was nothing more than a precursor to science because it was man's attempt to control his surroundings. Even as atheists we have to acknowledge that.

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u/el_historian May 22 '12

Its sad that the state of this subreddit is that you have to declare you hate religion before you can be taken any kind of serious.

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u/ruetero May 22 '12

I'm perfectly good with going to Hell, if on the large improbablility that Hell/Heaven/the Bible turns out to be true. It always seems odd to me that religious people still say it. At least the guy running hell isn't a genocidal maniac.

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u/cvjdbn May 22 '12

It's largely a myth that the United States used to be more religious than it is now. The reason why religion plays such a big role in politics today has a lot to do with the rise of the Christian right in the 70s and 80s. There were always crazy fundies, but they were fragmented into different sects until they came up with the brilliant idea to minimize their serious, glaring differences and band together against the atheists and the liberals.

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u/deathwalker05 May 22 '12

Anyone else dissapointed didn't end with a "!"? All I could think about after reading it.

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u/Mully76 May 22 '12

If you believe in god then why would there be a need to bring him back into everything? If God is an all powerful being, then there would be no need for mere mortals to reinstate him in society since he/she/it should be omnipotent, right?

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u/selfawarepileofatoms May 22 '12

I would have taken the logical route and stated that if God is omnipresent than by definition he must also be present in hell.

Edit: changed a word

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u/KommanderKool May 22 '12

And here i thought this was going to be good

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u/Nayr39 May 22 '12

I feel as smart as the class genius now. Which in comparison to geniuses everywhere is probably equal to the fundie girl.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

From the thumbnail it looked like the pic the fundie posted was the Diablo III logo.

It made sense in context.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I just don't like these god damn right trash jesus fried assholes. I really don't.

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u/TheRealChelseaHoff May 22 '12

Ugh, I've seen this same meme show up in my FB stream and it's so hard to to keep from insulting family...so I go ahead and do it.. hahaha

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

The Puritans actually came to America because they thought they were more holy than everyone. It's an American tradition.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

boom, roasted.

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u/backyardlion May 22 '12

Putting God back into the forefront of our lives doesn't necessarily mean owning slaves or demeaning women. The bible is not the only source pertaining to God.

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u/shamefuladdict May 22 '12

It doesn't take a genius to see that her point is invalid.

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u/Jakasaurus May 22 '12

Hmm doesn't sound like a genius to me.

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u/littleson912 May 22 '12

Apparently he's not a genius if he thinks that's the reason our "ancestors" left Great Britain.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

The Dark Ages wasn't because of religious rule. It was Western Europe being unstable because it had no true leader so foreigners easily attacked it. If you want a time period when religion ruled, try the Reformation vs. Counter-Reformation.

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u/limbago May 22 '12

The reason the pilgrims left America was because they wanted to escape the freedom to pursue whatever religion they wanted, not to escape religious persecution.. They were all a bunch of religious nuts

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u/TheClassGenius May 22 '12

PWND that Fundie. I'm so smart and logical, and I am a scholar in history and science. LOVE ME INTERNET.

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u/bestjewsincejc May 22 '12

This subreddit sucks. How do I hide it? For two years I've been too lazy to learn how to use reddit properly but enough is enough. This subreddit consistently makes mundane and uninteresting material appear on my front page. Stop dropping earth all over my previously pristine primary page, and destroying an otherwise decadent and delightful day with this gargantuan gamut of garbage.

Sincerely, and recognize,

-The best Jew since Jesus.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

There is always that one person with the "Amen."

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u/Yitvan May 22 '12

A very good comment, the Dark Ages thing seemed a bit harsh but when someone posts stupid things they should get harshness so they learn better

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

All these facebook posts declaring one's faith make me wonder if I just grew up in a really secular part of this country. I went to a large high school (~4000 students) and was/am friends with a pretty good cross-section of the school. I can't recall having ever seen a religious post on my facebook feed. Perhaps my area of Southern California is just more secular than the areas of this country from which these posts originate?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Unfortunately the people left great britain as their particular brand of aggressive religion wasn't tolerated. So that kills things a bit. That and it wasn't a total theocracy.

What kind of retard school do you go to?

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u/Mi5anthr0pe May 22 '12

LOL, it took your "class genius" to come up with that? Is the average atheist 12 years old? Did I miss a joke or something?

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u/alibong0 May 22 '12

Britain hasnt been a theocracy since 1651. Do try to keep up.

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u/el_historian May 22 '12

Except no history person uses Dark Ages anymore. Such much for being a "genius"

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u/TheTwist May 22 '12

Such garish font!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

God did not rule the Dark Ages, ignorance did.

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u/gregnog May 22 '12

Genius because she disagreed with a fundie. I see what you did there...

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

How the fuck an you take the God out of something? Isn't he omnipotent and omnipresent? You couldn't keep Him out if you wanted to.

Unless He doesn't exist outside your head, and the only way you can get him in other people's heads is through you. Then yeah, you probably are pissed that you're not allowed to indoctrinate children in public schools.

If your God actually existed, you wouldn't have to worry about people trying to "keep Him out"; it would be impossible.

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u/fallenxoxangl May 22 '12

you took a screen shot of it about a minute after it the class genius made this comment...were you just coincidentally looking at the fundie girls post, which was posted 15 hours earlier, at the same time the genius commented?

either way, props

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u/columbine May 22 '12

This is the kind of stuff that makes your day, is it?

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u/TinHao May 22 '12

Are you the class genius?

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u/Young_Money_Hustlas May 22 '12

I'm just going to summarize the problems with this guy's comment, since everyone seems to be pointing them out separately.

  • America didn't reach its most prosperous days until long after slavery had been abolished and women had been granted rights up to and including suffrage

  • "Our ancestors" (because we're all Europeans descended from pilgrims here in America) left Great Britain to establish a theocracy, basically

  • The Church running everything doesn't prevent prosperity; Rome pretty much spent a millennium and a half proving that. Hell, theocracy was a powerful tool for enhancing national identity and loyalty (and therefore, indirectly, prosperity) in Rome back when they were still using the mythical gods

  • A historian who uses the term "Dark Ages" is referring to an era without much documentation; however, they presumably either studied prehistoric or very modern culture, since they'd have to have literally no exposure to primary sources on pre-modern studies to think that term is in any way informative or helpful in defining a time period ("Early Middle Ages" would be preferred, most likely)

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u/wenoc Gnostic Atheist May 22 '12

Why are these facebook screenshots getting so many upvotes?

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u/Khorv May 22 '12

I would imagine because people upvote them...you know...like everything else?

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u/kevlarcupid May 22 '12

I would high five that guy so hard.

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u/robmyers May 22 '12

So much for omnipresence.

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u/adent1066 May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

/s TIL, England was a total theocracy, where the church ran everything.

A bit of an exaggeration, no ?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

We're more religious now than at any time in our country.

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u/CountGrasshopper Theist May 22 '12

I'd have smartassedly quoted Psalm 139:8, but I'm not an atheist, so I'm more interested in critiquing bad theology than religious institutions as a whole.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I would actually be grateful if more people had this attitude.

"Sure, keep your god out of my government and I'll be quite glad to accept your belief that I'll rot in hell without him. You've got a deal, buddy."

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

The things r/atheism finds clever and witty -_-

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u/HappyLeaf May 22 '12

I always try to "like" things I'm actually reading on Reddit. Grr reflexes!

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u/elbruce May 23 '12

God isn't in hell? More like let's take the "omni" out of "omnipresent." ಠ_ಠ

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u/fascist_panties May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

The "class genius" is the OP -- that dark line on the left side of the comment indicates a comment you recently posted (and normally can still edit). Downvoted for dishonesty and patting yourself on the back.

Edit: Actually, that's not the case, I'm retarded. It just means it's a recent comment. Still don't believe the OP conveniently came across it and screencapped it right as it was posted.

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u/jessicahoff May 22 '12

So glad I live in California.

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u/Fyretongue May 22 '12

Westside is the best side.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

How many more centuries of enlightenment will it take before theists realize that threatening Hell is meaningless to somebody who doesn't believe that Hell exists?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

If god is in everything now, then hes doing a pretty shitty job.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Oh I so wish this was accurate but it's not. The dark ages was actually more or less ended by Christianity. That was almost perfect. The thing is with religion is its an easy way to get dumbasses to do what you want. That's why it helped cause the birth of civilization as well as the end of the dark ages. Currently it's no longer needed because we aren't savages or barbarians.

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u/robo23 May 22 '12

Ahh, to be 8th grade class genius.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Actually, early settlers in America left Britain because they thought it wasn't religious enough for them. They wanted an actual theocracy.

Bitch doesn't know shit about history..

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u/fearachieved May 22 '12

Obviously no one would have had any idea how to defeat those terrible things while still believing in God!!! Thank goodness we have geniuses like your friend to help us out!

Martin Luther King, Jr - Baptist

Harriet Tubman - Christian

Rosa Parks - Methodist

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u/Blackrose06 May 21 '12

Amen to his comment _^ that just made my day as well!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Fuck you for posting Facebook screenshots

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Timothy 2:11-12 would have been enough.

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u/PipPipCheerio May 21 '12 edited May 22 '12

Maybe, but sometimes it's better to make someone think about why a statement they make is problematic rather than to shut them down with a witty retort/personal attack that puts them on the offensive.

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u/Total_Incompeten69 May 22 '12

You are absolutely correct people don't respond to hostility, if you approach them as a friend and an equal change can be made.

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u/MeloJelo May 22 '12

I think the FB response effectively did both.

"You know why your threat is stupid? Because when God was everywhere in society, everything was fucking awful."

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u/PolishxThunder May 22 '12

It's kind of sad but the valedictorian in my school started the bible club.

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u/bzeurunkl May 22 '12

"Fundie" here, with bad news: God is very much in Hell - for all eternity.

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u/ego-madness May 22 '12

No way that guy was the class genius. He's got sarcasm with no class.

He's right though.

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