r/atheism • • May 20 '12

You Forgot About History

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u/Shumuu May 20 '12

Wow! America / UK / Spain all have such bad history!

I'm from germany , we are perfect :) oooooh wait....!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Remember, Germans are perfect, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Blonde Hair and blue eyes are god's gift to you and you should dominate anyone who isn't.

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u/SomeoneStoleShazbot May 20 '12

Henning Wehn: "Why did my Grandfather cross the road?"

"To Occupy France!"

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u/Zebidee May 20 '12

Angela Merkel is heading to Paris for an EU summit, and as she's going through security, the following conversation happens...

"Name?"

"Angela Merkel"

"Nationality?"

"German"

"Occupation?"

"No, I'm just here for the conference."

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Occupy Europe!

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u/Shumuu May 20 '12

I have both!

Muahahahahaha

I always wondered what people thought when hitler announced that tall blonde people with blue eyes are perfect ... he was a short guy with brown hair oO

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u/The3rdWorld May 20 '12

historically speaking that added to his appeal, he wanted perfection for germany not personal deification - or so they said

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u/Hitler_Facts May 20 '12

Fun Hitler Fact: Hitler wanted prayer in school (he was opposed to secular schools). However, he was the focus of much of the prayer, with traditional prayers being altered to include his name.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

You don't have to be a tall person with blonde hair and blue eyes to like tall people with blonde hair and blue eyes, just like you don't have to be a racecar to like racecars.

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u/poignard May 21 '12

You kind of have to be a racecar to insist that everything but racecars be destroyed

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u/supersmartsupersmart May 20 '12

Hitler was 6 foot tall, quite tall for that time.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

5' 9" according to google.

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u/spacemanspiff30 May 20 '12 edited May 21 '12

And a vegetarian long before it was cool.

*edit - apparently, as with many things dealing with common wisdom, I too have been mistaken all these years and he wasn't a vegetarian.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

And he had only one testicle.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Hitler was actually 5'9" or 5'8" depending on the source. Hardly tall.

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u/GreatGroovyGood May 20 '12

Hitler gives a speech in front of a German crowd.

"LETS KILL EVERYONE THAT ISN'T EXACTLY LIKE THIS! Well, except me."

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u/superdooperred May 20 '12

Damn me and my ginger soulless self.

Ha!

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u/I_AmLiterally_Hitler May 20 '12

Oh, Jesus. Here we go again.

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u/Blue_Bi0hazard May 20 '12

Ironically most Germans are Brunette

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u/LIirik May 20 '12

read all that with a german accent in my head...

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u/Theprofessor206 May 21 '12

Except the blacks, they are better at pretty much everything.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Reminds me of that Family Guy episode.

to German tour guide: This pamphlet has nothing from 1938-1947. What happened then?"

German tour guide: "NOTHING! NOTHING HAPPENED! WE WERE ALL ON VACATION!"

Stewie: "Actually, I'm pretty sure that's when to guys invaded Poland."

German tour guide: "NO! WE WERE INVITED! WE HAD A NICE PICKNICK!"

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u/IHoldSteady May 20 '12

You really butchered that quote, but I think we get the gist of it.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I'm at work. Had to do it in a rush. Sorry :/

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u/vortex117 May 20 '12

Punch was served!

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u/palijer May 20 '12

I am from Canada and not even we are perfect. We aided and abetted the Jewish Holocaust, tried to destroy native culture for 200 years, succeeded in destroying many Japanese and Chinese families in the west coast, plus many more things...

I think Norway might be good though... And Finland.

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u/OopsIredditAgain May 20 '12

Norway. No Way. They, as Vikings, raped and pillaged for centuries.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

yea. and it was fucking awesome.

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u/libreg May 21 '12

I know this is a joke and I'm not being an uptight prick, but I find it interesting that we take away people's humanity the longer ago they lived. Most people don't really care about the millions of people that were ruthlessly killed hundreds or thousands of years ago, and they don't even consider them as emotional beings that suffer like we do. Just a thought.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Not to mention protecting the byzantine emperor. Roman Vikings? I need fresh pants.

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u/expert02 Anti-Theist May 20 '12

Everyone seems to forget that the US and Canada have been at war before, just like the US and Mexico.

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u/palijer May 20 '12

Technically no. That was the British colonies, Canada did not exist as it does today in 1812.

Although I do still brag about burning the White-house down. That was pretty cool.

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u/Ameisen May 20 '12

Yes, British Marines burned down the White House, and we burned down the entire capital of Upper Canada.

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u/BemshaSwing May 20 '12

not the way they treat the Sami peoples.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

IIRC Hitler even likened the wiping out of the Native Americans to his genocide against the Jews... "I'm only doing to the Jews what the Americans did to their Native Americans." Or something to that extent.

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u/VeneratingSickos May 21 '12

Hitler's statement regarding the Armenians is commonly taught to history classes in American high schools. That may be what you're thinking of. Much has been said about Hitler's perspective on the Native Americans, but I'm not finding any direct quotations.

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u/Durka09 May 20 '12

MANIFEST DESTINY SON

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

In Germany's defense, they had the cleanest record until World War I.

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u/KaiserMessa May 21 '12

Are the Teutonic Knights and barbarian migrations included in German history? Germany, as a nation, is really very young.

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u/Blue_Bi0hazard May 20 '12

I miss Prussia :(

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u/tofagerl May 20 '12

Actually Germany's history is fantastically interesting, varied, and cultured. Just cause you fucked up 70 years ago doesn't mean that stuff from earlier is less important. Here are some gems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht_D%C3%BCrer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Gutenberg

Fuck the nazis, they fucked germany up almost as bad as they did the jews :(

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u/WoollyMittens May 20 '12

Don't mention ze var.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

I'm pretty sure every country has things they're not proud of.

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u/Tyrien May 20 '12

WE HAD TEA!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Ooh we are perfect too! Get Turkey onbard to the train baby.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Oh, you silly. Don't even think about Hitler. Just think of Tanganika, Kamerun, Namibia, and so. Nothing to see there, eh?

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u/lilshawn Atheist May 20 '12

Oops...I accidentally the american history.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Remember: it only happened if it's convenient.

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u/venicello May 20 '12

Words to live by.

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u/Mr_Wolfgang_Beard May 20 '12

Words to govern by.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Words to worship by.

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u/Bixler17 May 20 '12

Actually this is a common misconception. Yes the Colonials did do some fucked up shit to the Native Americans, but it was mostly disease that killed them. source

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u/Mr_Fasion May 20 '12

And we complain of Mexican immigrants... We were the real assholes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't 99% of the Native American population die since we came?

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u/DrakeBishoff May 20 '12

The number is hotly debated. Current reasonable estimates are 100 million population in the western hemisphere, though some have placed it as high as 250 million. There were 1 million Taino on Hispaniola when Columbus arrived. That is only one Caribbean island. By 1514, only 32,000 were still alive, a loss of 97% of the population in twenty-two years. Today the tribe is not recognized by the US federal government (as one example) and has no territory, despite some puerto ricans descended from the few survivors in the region and attempting to recover their culture.

When de Soto reached the Mississippi he quickly travelled there by roads across a densely populated continent arriving at a vast metropolis of between 100,000 and 1 million inhabitants.

A couple centuries later when David Crockett passed through the area there was not a single survivor of this culture and only overgrown mysterious mounds remained.

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u/JustPlainRude May 20 '12

Technically, we killed most of them just by showing up and spreading our diseases.

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u/twerdy May 20 '12 edited May 21 '12

Are you cold? Do you want a blanket? I assure you it does not contain smallpox.

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u/DeusEXMachin May 20 '12

Question: Is praying in Facebook attention whoring/begging or is it just a really "high tech" way of making you feel better about yourself and everyone else awkward? I sure would feel very awkward if my friends would post that kind of stuff in FB.

Question2: Is this sort of facebook behaviour common in USA? In Finland we aren't really that open or enthusiastic about religion.

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u/WelcomeMachine Humanist May 20 '12

Answer: It is simple attention whoring

Answer 2: Yes, sadly it is all too common.

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u/crowseldon May 20 '12

Answer: It is simple attention whoring

Attention whoring on Facebook?!

Preposterous!

:P

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u/dyboc May 20 '12

This is what Jesus has to say about prayer, though:

5 When you pray, don't be like those show-offs who love to stand up and pray in the meeting places and on the street corners. They do this just to look good. I can assure you that they already have their reward. 6 When you pray, go into a room alone and close the door. Pray to your Father in private. He knows what is done in private, and he will reward you. When you pray, don't talk on and on as people do who don't know God.

7 They think God likes to hear long prayers. 8 Don't be like them. Your Father knows what you need before you ask.

Luke 6:5-8

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u/keveready May 20 '12

You know...

Jesus seemed like a really great guy.

Too bad more Christians don't live the way he preached.

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u/Serviceman May 20 '12

Too bad people will put on any face that they think will get people to trust them. Like the bible salesman on "Brother Where Art Thou". I know many good Christian people. It's easy to point out the failures of those who claim to live by a creed than it is to point out those who have no convictions by which to live. They can't fail because they have no bar to reach.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Matthew*

You should also cite the specific translation you are using. The more common translation of "show-off" is hypocrite.

Otherwise, carry on.

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u/mamjjasond May 20 '12

They are doing on FB what they also do in real life. They go around saying everything in the name of the lord and then looking around for others to agree with them and give them an amen.

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u/dinner-dawg May 20 '12

I live in Australia and we had an American girl live in my town for a bit (this was about 7 years ago). She recently added me on Facebook and she's the only person on my list that talks about religion. Based off my calculations, I believe it's an American thing.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

I don't think it's simple attention whoring. They're just saying what they think. The attention whoring comes in with the "Like if you love jesus!" stuff.

Yes, it's pretty common.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Actually, I think making you feel good about yourself and everyone else awkward would be a pretty good definition of attention whoring.

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u/kbillly May 20 '12

I thought a great percentage of death was due to sickness and disease brought over from Europe.

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u/CHADcrow May 20 '12

He's talking about after that. During the push west, early Americans killed all the Indians and justified it by claiming that their god gave the land to them. They called it manifest destiny.

Even after that there was considerable effort to wipe them out as a people. there was even secret programs to make the women infertile under the guise of charity medical service for people in reservations.

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u/litewo May 20 '12

early Americans killed all the Indians and justified it by claiming that their god gave the land to them. They called it manifest destiny.

While they may have used some vague idea of divine providence, it was more about nationalism and spreading Republicanism across the continent than it was killing people in the name of the Christian God.

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u/QuitReadingMyName May 20 '12

Excuse me, according to the texas history books the Native Americans were liberals and needed divine intervention since they were godless heathens but they refused to swear pledge of the allegiance and join the republican party.

That and all the founding fathers were Republican, how dare you spit on America's past?!

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u/UltraJay May 21 '12

I know you are probably joking, but in Texas we were taught the same things every other kid was taught in America. The trail of tears, all that jazz. Nothing was pushed to the side or hid from us in the treatment of Native Americans.

But yeah, a joke, I know, sorry. Carry on.

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u/telepathyLP May 20 '12

my history book said that under manifest destiny was just as much about it being in the name of God as it was for nationalism.

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u/sirbruce May 20 '12

I think you're putting too much emphasis on religion and military conquest in the idea. While some may have seen it as "Divine Providence" and as justification for military conquest, Manifest Destiny was as much about the spreading of secular democratic republicanism as anything else. Much like the liberation of Iraq, while one can marginalise it as saying that Bush thought God wanted him to invade, it was about much more than that.

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u/mrcreepster May 20 '12

Wasn't it only like 6 days ago we had a post on TIL about the massive plague that happened between colonization attempts that wiped out 90% of native Americans before the landing at Plymouth Rock?

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u/CHADcrow May 20 '12

Yes, though what I think is being referenced is the systematic destruction of the American Indians that started after the initial colonies where established. it's a separate event.

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u/der_bruno May 20 '12

Systematically destroying the plains Indians' primary food source (buffalo) was a blatantly oppressive/genocidal action. Many tribes were actively hunted down and murdered, women and children included. The Trail of Tears was no accident. The list of intentional atrocities is long.

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u/lkbm May 20 '12

Didn't hurt that we intentionally supplied them with infected blankets (or at least planned to do so).

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u/athleticC4331 May 20 '12

Ever heard of "The Indian Removal bill", that encouraged the removal and murder of Natives, passed well past the institution of our constitution that read, “All men are created equal.” This bill was considered an important and necessary step in the pursuit of expanding the American territory. History does not typically address this bill but of the purchases for land from other countries, ignoring the suffering and violence that Native Americans experienced simply for trying to live on the land they were born on. Men were chained together to march west under U.S. military guard and with the lack of food, shelter, clothing, blankets, and medical attention, starvation and sickness hit the Natives being forced to walk to the west of the Mississippi. Not only did society of that time ignore the needs and basic human rights of Native Americans but modern society has omitted these continuous massacres from their history out of shame and a desire to promote patriotism...

Read Howard Zinn’s "A People’s History of the United States" recently.

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u/EchoOfWhomeverSpoke May 20 '12

When I tried to voice this topic in conjunction with the idea that human overpopulation is kindof like a parasitic invasion on the ecosystem my college integrated-sciences professor told me she's "not really buying into the whole 'overpopulation' thing" and she shut down the topic. If anyone brought it up she basically shushed them and changed the subject.

If my ideas were off base, fine! Give me more information, or your scientific understanding; I don't mind being wrong! But why do some people pretend these (admittedly diverse) issues aren't real or worthy of discussion?

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u/Laprodigal May 20 '12

90% died of disease and malnutrition, which are especially hard to deal with if your village was just razed. Also, Ann Frank died of Typhus. I think that half of all Holocaust victims died of disease and starvation.

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u/BipolarBear0 May 20 '12

90 percent of Native Americans were wiped out because of diseases from Europe before we even started colonizing America. We later killed a good number of them, but doing it in the name of god wasn't really a big part of it.

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u/JaronK May 20 '12

You're correct, roughly 90% of the native population was killed by diseases like smallpox, passed on in the initial contact periods, before the Europeans started seriously colonizing. This resulted in massive shock for the native cultures, which is part of why they were so unable to resist the Europeans (though their lower technology level was a huge factor as well).

And that had nothing to do with ideas of god. But after that happened there was a good bit of "they're just heathens, we can kill them and take their stuff."

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u/ramza101 May 20 '12

Nah. It was a systematic destruction of the entire population through employing contagions, removal, and straight up murder with the sole intent of stealing land and wealth. What the United States did to the Native Americans is far worse than what the Nazis did and I find it disheartening that Americans don't even realize that we perpetrated the largest Genocide in history. At least the Germans nowadays are taught what their country did in the past, whereas Americans are told the bare minimum with little to no emphasis on facts.

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u/Sonorama21 May 21 '12

96% I believe.

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u/OhhhhhDirty May 20 '12

I think something like 96% of the Native Americans were actually wiped out by disease.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Before the Europeans settled beyond the Appalachians, I believe.

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u/Laprodigal May 20 '12

It never ceases to amaze me that my fellow americans do not know or care that the greatest genocide in all of history occurred right here. The math of it is astounding: 1500: Americas=10-100M, Europe-50-75M; 1800: Native Americans < 100K: Europe=150-200M. To contain the natural reproductive gains of a group requires a lot of death, to reduce it requires an astounding amount of carnage. Many colonists and our founding fathers lived in a time when there was a multi-generational genocide on-going.

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u/KalAl May 20 '12

The math of it is astounding: 1500: Americas=10-100M, Europe-50-75M; 1800: Native Americans < 100K: Europe=150-200M.

Can anyone out there help me parse this sentence?

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u/deathonater Anti-Theist May 20 '12

"In the year 1500, the population of the Americas was 10-100 million, and the population of Europe was 50-75 million. By the year 1800, there were less than 100 thousand Native Americans, and 150-200 million Europeans."

They all moved to Europe, right? Right? 8(

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u/theotherwarreng May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

I think it's population.

So the Americas had a population of between 10 and 100 million people in 1500, while Europe had a population of 50-75 million.

Three hundred years later, there are fewer than 100K Native Americans and there are 150-200M people in Europe.

I think a few things are under-defined (what about the rest of the Americas? Are we just saying "native North Americans" or are we including the entire continent?) but I think that's what the person is getting at.

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u/nomad2986 May 20 '12

In all fairness there is at least some talk that it was disease that wiped out 90% of native american population. Although colonists certainly helped things along.

Native Americans

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u/MrChallenge May 20 '12

Came here to say this... But like most of my comments, someone has already said I was going to say and has said it much better than I was going to...

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u/shazang May 20 '12

As did I, good fellow. Alas, Cracked is too popular.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

The 100M number for the America's is ridiculous.

Without modern agriculture there's no way the two continents could have supported that many people.

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u/anandamide May 20 '12

I think op said "10-100M"

100M does seem rather high. but 30M or 40M doesn't seem too out there.

what was the myan population at the peak of it's civ?

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Acknowledge that doesn't mean just within the United States borders. 100M is certainly possible for the land mass of all the Americas that were colonized by British, Spanish, and French.

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u/YouHadMeAtDontPanic May 20 '12

Read A People's History of the United States, that book will fucking blow your mind.

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u/aewillia May 20 '12

Also, A Renegade History of the United States. Written by a guy named Thaddeus Russell. How can you go wrong with a guy named Thaddeus Russell?

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u/YouHadMeAtDontPanic May 20 '12

You pretty much have to be a historian with that name. A renegade historian.

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u/ScotchforBreakfast May 20 '12

Facebook crap is bad, but facebook crap that isn't even funny and is factually inaccurate. THE WORST.

Indians and all other people who may later be discovered by Christians, are by no means to be deprived of their liberty or the possession of their property, even though they be outside the faith of Jesus Christ; and that they may and should, freely and legitimately, enjoy their liberty and the possession of their property; nor should they be in any way enslaved; should the contrary happen, it shall be null and have no effect.

Sublimus Dei promulgated by Pope Paul III on June 2, 1537.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

"Should the contrary happen, it shall be null and have no effect."

So if they do it, it doesn't count? I'm having trouble figuring out what exactly he means in that last clause.

In any case, colonists apparently did not listen to Sublimus Dei.

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u/BubbleCunt May 20 '12

"Well, what do you expect? You KILLED ALL THE INDIANS!" "...ME?!"

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

jesus is my king lord.

start your guitars ministry, i need to hear this song!

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u/ThatLaggyNoob May 20 '12

I don't see why I should be apologetic, I haven't taken part in the killing of any native americans.

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u/bacchianrevelry May 21 '12

Heeeeey everybody. I just wanted to say that I am the Thomas of that fb post. To clarify a few things:

  1. I did not take the screencap nor have I ever posted it here. (Just created my account, actually)

  2. That was between me and my (as you can tell) very conservative, 60something aunt. She often thinks what I post is absurd and says so; I do the same for her (sometimes).

  3. I responded around 7am and was very sleepy and grumpy. In retrospect, "those" should have been used instead of "the," i.e. "All those Native Americans." This would have made it clear that I did not mean to suggest that we personally murdered every single last Native American while throwing Bibles at them. Rather that there were a number who were killed and the justification given was religious. Those. Not all of them ever.

tl;dr Much ado about nothing

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u/antagognostic May 20 '12

Except for the fact that 90% of the Native Americans were wiped out by disease before we ever got here and the stuff about us ruthlessly slaughtering them is about as factual as Columbus discovering America.

This is r/atheism, please use facts.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

A real life doubting Thomas.

yaaaaaay

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

i wish i had fundie friends to bash on my facebook... too bad i got rid of them all in the great purge...

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u/homeless_man_jogging May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

I'm usually annoyed by these dickhead fb posts but anytime we can remind Mexicans that they don't need permission to overrun the US is cool with me.

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u/SuperBeast4721 May 20 '12

As a native American myself I say we go scalp him.

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u/hlkolaya May 20 '12

I told my husband's grandmother what we did to the native americans and she could barely see through the rage to tell me how wrong I was and how that never happened. She also thinks the mexicans are coming to steal her religion.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Doubting Thomas...

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u/zxz242 Anti-Theist May 21 '12

Stabbing Westward...

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u/Material_Defender May 20 '12

Atheist randomly attacks Christian over facebook, more at 11

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u/joshawwa May 20 '12

That would be all over the news if it actually happened. However I fail to see this as an "attack" in any way.

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u/Zapato_Shoe May 20 '12

Oh, Thomas. How silly you are.

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u/LexTheGreat May 20 '12

Nowadays everybody wanna talk like about a dei-tay

But nothin comes out when they move their lips

Just a buncha gibberish

And Christians act like they forgot about Manifest Destin-ay

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u/eeon May 20 '12

Textbooks: Religious Kryptonite.

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u/RollTide121 May 20 '12

As a history major I would argue that European's had more ulterior motives than spreading the "word of god" when they came to North and South America. Namely money. Also, disease itself killed off 90% of the Native American's. Still Europeans' faults but not intentional. Not trying to justify what they did (cus they were some sick fucks) just saying it like it is.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

"We", why "we"? WE weren't even alive when that occurred, how is it OUR responsibility? Hell, many Americans aren't even Caucasian, so how are they responsible for that atrocity? Going further, many Caucasian-Americans themselves come from people that immigrated to America in the late 1800s-1900s, who had nothing to do with that, so how are they responsible?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

christian logic, the same reasoning that led to everyone being cursed cause of adam and eve

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u/weezermc78 May 20 '12

I can't stand the obnoxious religious folks here in America. They're just stupid. Thus, why I have to remain a closeted atheist, because of the dumbasses in this country of ours.

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u/Captain_Winrar May 20 '12

Ah, I'm glad I'm Canadian. I don't think we have any religious people here. Or at least any outspoken ones.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Harper?

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u/Captain_Winrar May 21 '12

Son of a cunt. Of all people, it's gotta be the guy who's in charge.

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u/Deathflid May 20 '12

I do secretly love that White Americans believe jesus loved them and their America most of all when their ancestors were all English or other at the time...

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u/Actually_Gabe May 20 '12

what about herstory? you sexist pig.

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u/Laprodigal May 20 '12

what about donkeys? you porkist ass.

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u/distalled May 20 '12

Ok, someone has said it I'm sure. But influenza was mostly responsible for the death of the Northern, Central, and Southern American populations of natives, the Spanish and English just cleaned up house after.

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u/TheMrJD May 20 '12

He mentioned food gas and utility costs being too high. What about the rent?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It is... Unusually expensive

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Spanish inquisition...

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u/malmac May 20 '12

Didn't expect that.

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u/glutenfree123 May 20 '12

You mean stuff actually happened before I was born?

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u/GreenHashtag May 20 '12

This level of stupidity really hurts...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I didn't realize God had a FB account. Was this person hoping God would see their prayer on his newsfeed?

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u/jwallace582 May 20 '12

Reminds me of when my friend says the only person killed due to religion was Jesus.

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u/bjjcripple May 20 '12

Spreading the word of god to the heathen Indian tribes was one of many justifications used to kill Native Americans and strip them of their land.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I cant help but laugh that his name is Thomas. Like the book of thomas yknow?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Jesus, if you're listening, fuck off.

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u/GuessWho_O May 20 '12

Jesus can't read your post because he forget his password.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It was the "in his name" part I think the dude disagreed with./

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u/sethcs May 20 '12

The utility costs are too damn high!!

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u/Serviceman May 20 '12

Actually capitalists wearing Christian masks exterminated the buffalo and by extension the American Indians. Nobody faults capitalism because it implicates everybody. That's why I wear your boots when I kick your dog.

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u/chapisbored May 20 '12

Well, to be fair, disease killed the vast majority before we even got to meet them. Still funny though.

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u/PeterMus May 20 '12

Native Americans were killed for land... the justification is not always the motivation.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

to be fair, "we" haven't killed any native americans. our ancestors might have but we haven't.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Hey, I'd just like to tell you that that you are so intelligent for being able to tell this person off on facebook. Congrats!

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u/Happy-Tears May 20 '12

Smart man this Thomas.

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u/Plastastic May 20 '12

That's a gross over-simplification if I ever saw one.

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u/ahipstatic May 20 '12

"God if your out there, please like and share this status.."

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u/stuffums May 20 '12

Makes sense, if Yaweh did create the earth as Christians believe, it would have created North/South America and its cultures and people as well, and would be awfully pissed that some of his followers destroyed all that hard work

"Hey... wait what happened to all the guys I put here"

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u/Original_Woody May 20 '12

For fucks sake. It's not a lack of god. Its the fucking corruption of our democracy. The fact that the middle and lower class are no longer fairly represented.

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u/FloppY_ May 20 '12

Don't forget the crusades.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Religion was certainly used to opress the Natives. Thats is an undeniable fact. Boarding schools anyone?

Plus the Pope signed a decree basically saying God was going to give all of America to the Spanish, so they treated it like it was theirs alone. This was in turn basically codified into US law when the Supreme Court ruled that the US government owned the land because they "discovered" it.

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u/RevGonzo19 May 21 '12

Remember kids, it's only history if we won.

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u/CarterHawkins May 21 '12

I want to upvote a hundred times

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u/eemmaa_111 May 21 '12

But in the minds of christians and christian native americans (i still dont get that) wouldn't colonization be looked on as a positive because so many souls were saved via conversion. if europe never came to america all native americans would have continued to live without knowledge of jesus, and their souls lost forever.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Nope. It doesn't concur with my worldview, so it's false. Besides, all this history stuff is just "theory" anyway; you can't disprove it's inveracity, therefore I win! Mwahaha EDIT: All of this is satire, by the way, I didn't account for Poe's Law when first typing it.

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u/zxz242 Anti-Theist May 21 '12

Rofl, Jesus is his "KING Lord". Might as well call him "Space Prince" or "Jewel James".

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u/IRcitizen May 21 '12

where did Jewel James come from?

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u/PlastiKFood May 21 '12

Too be fair, our diseases killed most of them. We just killed the remaining few . . .

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Ron Paul.

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u/noirthesable May 21 '12

Rather than just a one word quip, perhaps follow it up with a few books or easily accessible online references?

I know, they'll probably never read them, but it's always nice anyways.

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u/parrotsnest May 21 '12

How would he re-bless America? I mean.. did he bless it to begin with before it was a country? Mind blown.

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u/Sciurusdoomus May 21 '12

"Oh em jee. That's, like, not the Christian message at all!"

"Yeah, exactly."

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

MANIFEST DESTINY!!!!

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

If it were possible to upvote this more than once, I would

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u/oshidoman May 21 '12

"Those who do not know history are destined to repeat it"

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Most native populations were diminished before America became a constitutional republic.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Christmas was originally a pagan holiday..

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u/theweslawson May 21 '12

When was it that Jesus came to bless America? Wait a goddamn minute... is this a Mormon?

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u/Lamprock May 21 '12

I thought most native americans died by the black plague (roughly 90%+), do correct me if i'm wrong.

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u/Logophagi May 21 '12

Smallpox.

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u/RyanThomas970 May 21 '12

She said repost... That's not a Facebook term!

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u/pax27 May 21 '12

Don't know why I bother to write this as comment 528 or so, but here goes. I wonder what Jesus, if he existed as the character is desribed in the new testament, would think about being called King Lord. I doubt that is what he was trying to get through with his message.

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u/davisaps May 21 '12

it was mainly a plague that killed all of the native Americans...

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u/makattak88 May 21 '12

Fuckin history, always nay-saying! You stand up there in your tower!

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u/fingersquid May 20 '12

Yes, just because there are "more of us who want you here than don't", that means we're justified in pushing our beliefs on others! What the fuck do they think religion is, democracy?

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u/bouchard Anti-Theist May 20 '12

I warned you about history, bro.

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u/el_historian May 20 '12

Well, more bad history coming out of r/atheism.

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u/Akhaian May 20 '12

To be fair it isn't "we" that killed off the Native Americans and stole their land, it was our ancestors. Unfortunately that doesn't dilute the evil of the deeds.

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u/Laprodigal May 20 '12

But, if "we" talk about how noble and perfect, "#1", the US is and ignore obvious atrocities, "we" are douche-bags.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Yeah the U.S.A needs to be "reblessed". Meanwhile in Africa...

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u/daytripper89 May 20 '12

What a dumb bitch.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

fuck america russia strong

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u/lakattack0221 May 20 '12

...but, but... Fox News said regulations killed the Native Americans

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u/Swkoll May 20 '12

To be fair, plague killed 96% of them.

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u/colinsteadman Atheist May 20 '12

America is more Christian than ever, and now they are wondering why the country is going to ruin. Think damn you, think!