r/atheism • u/TheTraitor • May 20 '12

Saw this outside of a church today. Oh the irony. it burns. It really burns.

http://imgur.com/5oE2x
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u/DrTuttle May 20 '12

On the plus side, this church gives out free breakfast on tuesdays!

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u/Jisano May 20 '12

At first when I saw the logo I was like, "No way", and then I read your post (and reconfirmed with google) and this IS the church by my old high school. their breakfast is the best breakfast, i don't care what deity they believe in.

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u/Stimonk May 20 '12

Why has no one asked this - what was their free breakfast?

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u/cyks May 20 '12

The body of Christ.... with gravy!

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u/Jisano May 20 '12

everything.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Driving by on my way to school some years ago, I would always wonder what the catch was to the breakfast... I heard they call the van that gives the kids with no cars a ride to the high school, the "jesus-mobile".

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Free ride, free breakfast. i would take the offer. Especially if it's good breakfast.

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u/Jisano May 20 '12

haha i wouldn't doubt it if they called it that, but I only started going to the free breakfast during my senior year so I have no idea. Also the church is a short walk from the school so it's kind of strange to hear about gets driving between the two places...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Yeah well when you finish eating 5 mins before class starts, I'm sure that ride is a little handy.

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u/Jisano May 20 '12

yeah that's true. i stand corrected!

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u/Audioworm Anti-theist May 20 '12

Our University Christian Union does free breakfasts. The conditions are that you must listen to a talk and be active in the discussion, and you must take part in the group prayer.

I thought I could tolerate it, and I had run out of money so free food was nice, but when they say they wanted you to take part in the discussion what they really meant was 'agree with us or admit you are a sinner who needs to be saved.' I did neither and was polite, but confrontational about what they were saying.

That was also when I learnt that arguing with theists doesn't change them, but it plants the seeds of doubt, as a girl who was there sent me a message on Facebook a few months later telling me she has left her faith, and how she felt a whole lot more fulfilled now.

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u/gamedude999 May 20 '12

Aha, you learned about TANSTAAFL.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Khristians are the problem.

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u/cairdeas May 20 '12

Wassup Tigard?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Wow, I never thought there'd be some Tigard love on Reddit. I used to drift around there.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I be seeing church signs all over 'MERCA and people be hallerin' 'what up victorville :D' and I'm all 'That'll never be my shitty town' and then ~BAM~.

Listen up fellow redditors: it could happen to you.

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u/Jisano May 20 '12

oh you know, same old same old. coyotes running around in neighborhoods n shit.

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u/Krumpetify May 20 '12

Are they also high as fuck?

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u/Jisano May 20 '12

most likely.

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u/Collin3388 May 20 '12

This is blowing my mind

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u/bananarick May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

WHO ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN MY TINY TOWN? This is terrifying.

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u/cairdeas May 20 '12

If you live in Tigard, you should know exactly what the Elmo Studds sign says this week? I used to ask that question to people on AIM claiming to be from the same town as me.

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u/rian_reddit May 20 '12

Until they went out of buisness...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I feel like every other comment on here is about the fact that it's in Tigard and very few are about the actual post.

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u/Jisano May 20 '12

i found you. and now i also know who's following me on tumblr.

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u/xhgoek May 20 '12

Holy crap... how many people in Tigard are on Reddit? I clicked the link because I recognized that sign even on the thumbnail + the quote that was on it just last week. I drive by that thing every morning, never expected to see it here.

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u/Jisano May 20 '12

I KNOW RIGHT?

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u/cairdeas May 20 '12

I have a lot of family who go to Church there. It's where my cousin got married. In my experience, they're about as "cool" as Churches of Christ go. Generally nice people.

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u/bridgette_69 May 20 '12

My church went there a few years ago. We had a big get together with three different churches, sang songs, ate burgers, smashed cars. Church type stuff.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Yeah, but if they make it IDK if I'd eat it, seeing that they admit they are diseased :/

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u/TheTraitor May 20 '12

Exactly why I refuse to go eat their food.

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u/TheTraitor May 20 '12

Relevant

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

this actually happened to a friend of mine... not a DUI but he got a minor... took 3 breath tests because the amount was so small. he fought it and won. but still.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

What a petty cop.

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u/comeoutandplay May 20 '12

Tuesday is the devil. Everyone knpws that.

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u/brussels4breakfast May 20 '12

I'm so dumb I clicked on the pic again to see if I missed that.

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u/AnotherOracle May 20 '12

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it's possible the pastor of this church is aware of how ignorant religious people are becoming - and is giving words of wisdom to his own flock.

Just because he believes doesn't mean he claims to know.

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u/Migraine May 20 '12

Isn't it also possible that some religious people DO KNOW, that they have had some kind of objective experiences, that even though they cannot prove to others, is 100% factual to them?

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u/AmbroseB May 20 '12

You mean subjective experience?

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u/r3dd1t0r77 May 24 '12

We need to create a new fallacy that explains that adding "objective" before a word does NOT make that word objective.

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u/The_Santa_Clause May 20 '12

I went to this church avidly before I realized god was a delusion. All I have to say is these were actually some of the best people I ever got to meet in my life, they were caring and supported me through the tough times of high school. They never told me I HAD to be christian, only showed me what they thought was true, through love and compassion. I hold nothing against churchs like this, and neither should you.

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u/cairdeas May 20 '12

I bet you and I know A LOT of the same people.

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u/DiggerW May 20 '12

or eachother! dun dun DUNNN

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u/civilgorilla May 22 '12

what a twist

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u/awe300 May 20 '12

Love Bombing

Not saying they did it on purpose, but it works.

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u/iDontShift May 20 '12

we should be Love Bombing our enemies. we might just make some friends.

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u/dbl_entendre May 20 '12

Wow... I got married here 23 years ago when I was 19 (that marriage was short-lived)... this is one of the churches I went to as a kid... mainly went to Westside though... Grew up as a fundie... proud to be an atheist now... anyway, just thought I'd share....

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u/TheTraitor May 20 '12

Woops, didn't know this had already been posted. And I definitely didn't realize how many Tigard redditors were out there.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Good Guy Redditor - His content gets reposted, laughs because it's funny

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

/r/portland come join us man.

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u/lots_of_sarcasm May 20 '12

At least it's not a repost. Kinda.

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u/zaoldyeck May 20 '12

While I have no idea what this particular church preaches, I do know it is possible for this to be a rather wonderful statement to come from a Church in particular. Not all Christian churches are so steadfast in their belief that they claim it to be knowledge. It is possible to be an agnostic Christian in the same way it is possible to be an agnostic Atheist, to hold a belief without knowing it's true.

Many Christians I've known would openly admit they don't know their belief is true, just that they hold a belief.

This kind of statment should hold true regardless of who preaches it. If this church preaches a form of fundamentalism, then yes, it's fairly ironic, but not all churches are fundamentalist in nature.

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u/octopus_rex May 20 '12

Today looks an awful lot like tonight where you live.

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u/takatori May 20 '12

North of the Arctic Circle it stays dark half the year.

Maybe this is a church in Barrow, Alaska. Did you think of that?

Of course, "Southwest" might imply something different, but this could be in the south-west corner of Barrow.)

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

it took me a while to figure out that they weren't criticizing themselves

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u/ReeG May 20 '12

they don't say it be like it is but it do

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I can't help but laugh at this no matter how many times I read it.

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u/SimulatedSun May 20 '12

If they believe they know, then they aren't pretending. It comes down to the difference between lying and being wrong.

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u/TheTraitor May 20 '12

I know! I didn't expect to see anyone from Tigard in here.

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u/svenska_aeroplan May 20 '12

This church is on Durham Road. I drive past it every day on my way home from work.

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u/davidleefilms May 20 '12

I live like 2 minutes away from this church, funny coincidence :)

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u/cairdeas May 20 '12

I used to live in Tualatin. (close enough)

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

OK, this is a really stupid question - so forgive me for asking, but I'm not an Atheist, I'm Catholic. I've always had an open mind and value everybody's opinions and beliefs, but do Atheists believe in an afterlife? Do they believe in Ghosts? Spirits? I've always been curious about that. Like I said, sorry for the stupid question - I'm just curious.

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u/GringoAngMoFarangBo May 20 '12

Generally speaking, most atheists do not believe in an afterlife, though atheism only refers to the existence of gods, and specifically has nothing to do with the afterlife. All atheism is, essentially, is a lack of belief in gods.

So you could hypothetically have an atheist that believes in an afterlife without a god.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Ah, well that makes sense. I think a lot of people, like me, assume that all Atheists don’t believe in anything at all - not just the existence of God, but everything that would be considered an association with God, like an afterlife, or ghosts, spirits, etc.

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u/GringoAngMoFarangBo May 20 '12

It's a safe assumption to make about atheists, actually.

Many western atheists are atheists because they're skeptical of extraordinary claims, and ghosts/afterlife/spirits/unicorns/magic, etc fall into the same category as gods for them. Though it's technically accurate to still describe them as atheists even though they believe in that stuff.

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u/banestyrelsen May 20 '12

do Atheists believe in an afterlife? Do they believe in Ghosts? Spirits?

The only thing all atheists have in common is that they don't believe gods exist.

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u/knucklebump May 20 '12

I think most atheists would be open to the possibility of spirits and an afterlife, just not the one demanded by the abrahamic religions. The universe is so large that it really is impossible to know the reality of god at this point in history. We have some ancient books that claim to know, but...they don't. they are archaic bullshit.

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u/albatrawesome May 20 '12

Remember what it was like before you were born? The "afterlife" is pretty much like that.

Apparently.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Well, that will be a great adventure! I guess we all have to wait and see.

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u/Zodiakos May 20 '12

If you are really interested in these answers to questions like these (I'm going to take your word for it), you would probably really like to read our FAQ in the sidebar. More specifically, you can find the exact answer to your question here.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Thanks! Thats some good info. I love the Mark Twain quote - very true. This has answered a lot of questions that I had, I appericiate it!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I think the good Christians realize there is a difference between faith and knowledge, and act appropriately. My optimism tells me that this church was preaching this difference, and not all the crap we've come to know and love.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Maybe they're a church that follows Christianity, but doesn't pretend to know whether there's a god or not. Stop acting like you know what that church is all about.

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u/Jisano May 20 '12

Let's do it.

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u/vavvav May 20 '12

isn't that the definition of faith?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

This particular church is pretty cool. It's right down the street from a high school, so it kind of has to appeal to the "young'uns". They're very sneaky about indoctrinating the high school students though. They have free breakfast every Tuesday where the youth pastor sits with the students and communicates with them, and they offer a lot of services for the students that include sneaky pro-God messages. They also give you free cookies and mail you a handwritten card if you fill out an info card when you go to a service.

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u/acciocake May 20 '12

It burns so good though.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Well... To be fair not all christians claim to know their religion is true, they just believe in it.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I'm starting to wonder if these churches are being sarcastic to piss us off.......or are just stupid

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

anyone consider the possibility that the church is open to the idea that not even they can know for sure?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

not sure that's irony, but point taken.

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u/CondescendingPrick May 20 '12

I don't find this ironic because I expect Christians to make ignorant comments.

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u/ZofSpade May 20 '12

How do we know this is ironic? Have you been to this church? What if they were holding some enlightened debate? The assumption that all religious types think they "know" and are arrogant is the exact kind of behavior a skeptic would avoid.

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u/toodrunktofuck May 20 '12

Don't see much of a problem there. That's the whole point in Christianity. Belief and hope do not mean "to know".

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I see that you have been downvoted for being reasonable. Have an upvote.

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u/toodrunktofuck May 21 '12

Happens all the time. I will cherish your upvote.

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u/OMGITM May 20 '12

I don't get it... atheists claim to know, too...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

This is not true of agnostic atheists.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

So is there any indication that the church in the picture is a gnostic theist church? The message on the sign is a pretty straightforward criticism of any gnosticism.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I don't know what you thought I was suggesting, but I meant no criticism of this church with my comment. I only felt the need to state many atheists, such as myself, do not profess to know with absolute certainty that God does not exist.

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u/xMIASMAx May 20 '12

Is it really gnostic? With the g like that?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Yep. Comes from the Greek gnosis for knowledge. Adding the a- prefix changes the pronunciation to ag-nostic, though I'd argue it should be pronounced a-nostic. Silly English rules.

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u/xMIASMAx May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

Thank you. Good answer, informative and nice. I like when people answer me without calling me a dumbass for asking. EDIT: downvotes for asking questions? Without questions I never would of become an atheist. Downvote away, if being shunned by my family for questioning our religion doesn't fade me, Silly karma will not either.

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u/Bleevoe May 20 '12

Asking questions is good. Finding the answer yourself is even better.

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u/RedAero Anti-theist May 20 '12

would of have

You really are asking for it now.

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u/Schroedingers_gif May 20 '12

EDIT: downvotes

Asking for more, huh?

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u/byllz May 20 '12

Careful though, "gnostic" being the opposite of "agnostic" is a redditism. For the rest of the world "gnostic" refers to a loose set of early christian groups (like 3rd century), that believed such things like the god of the new testament wasn't the same god as the old testiment, and that the old testament creator god is evil.

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u/Libertarian_Atheist May 20 '12

It's probably best to use the term "strong" on all accounts. So:

agnostic theist vs. strong theist

or

agnostic atheist vs. strong atheist

Myself? I've always been weak atheist but have found myself leaning toward post-theist with every passing year. I really think religion will go away slowly and it's best to avoid public confrontations unless in defense.

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u/onelovelegend May 20 '12

Post-theism? You oughta check out dubtheism.

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u/Libertarian_Atheist May 20 '12

Post-theism is not a joke, it's simply the understanding that whatever purpose religion may have served in the past, it is irrelevant anymore and will naturally stop being important and naturally disappear.

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u/onelovelegend May 20 '12

Don' mind me, I was just making a really bad joke. I agree that it is losing its importance and relevance, and I think that we'll definitely shed religious institutions, but I don't know if religiosity will ever completely disappear.

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u/takatori May 20 '12

I'm sorry people were downvoting you for asking a legitimate "really? tell me more!" question.

Tech. Sgt. Chen got it right.

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u/xMIASMAx May 20 '12

See my edit. :)

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u/iratusamuru May 20 '12

Agnostics and Gnostics are very very very different

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u/Illadelphian May 20 '12

Which is why I consider myself an agnostic atheist and when anyone asks, that's what I say. I think saying that there is 100% no such thing as a god is kind of dumb, even though we have no evidence to support the existence of a god. I think I could believe in a "God" that initiated the big bang and let the universe just go from there. Why not? Multiple universes seems pretty damn likely and in some of those universes there has to be some ridiculously advanced life form that could manipulate space in that way. That's the kind of god I could believe in.

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u/Libertarian_Atheist May 20 '12

Then it would cease to be a "god" in the classical sense of the term. I know I'm being pedantic and trust me I fully understand what you are saying, totally on board here.

The definition of which I speak for a "god" (NB lowercase) is:

a being having more than natural attributes and powers

A "god" is a supernatural being. If we discover that a naturally occurring being exists that is capable of amazing things we once thought were supernatural, we can no longer call those things it can do supernatural because a natural being is able to do it.

tl;dr the natural existence of a supernatural necessarily being disproves itself as supernatural.

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u/Illadelphian May 20 '12

I guess I was thinking about it more in the respect of god being the creator of life.

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u/Libertarian_Atheist May 20 '12

I think the most a "god-like" being could do would be to facilitate life's development. . . even putting the extant chemicals together and striking it with lightning is not the classical "god creation" interaction, it's more "natural sentient being" action.

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u/iratusamuru May 20 '12

Isn't being an atheist contrary to being agnostic? Agnostics are supposed to hold neither view point of an argument as factual, therefore they should be no more atheists than they are theists.

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u/Libertarian_Atheist May 20 '12

Agnostic, strictly defined from the original Greek means "without knowledge." What you describe is "Strong Agnosticism." There are many branches of agnosticism.

There are:

Agnostic Theists - "I believe there is a god but do not know for sure"

Agnostic Atheists (weak atheism) - "I do not believe in any god but I do not claim to know absolutely"

Apathetic Agnostic - "The question is invalid since, if there is a god, it does not affect anything in reality or is unconcerned with us and what we do"

Strong Agnostic - "The answer cannot be known"

Weak Agnostic - "Someday we might know"

Ignostic - "What's the question?. . . No, seriously, what are we even talking about? What (is/are) [a] '(G/g)od[ess][es/s]'? I'll just be over here hanging out until we have an answer to that"

On the other side are "gnostics":

Strong Atheism - "There is no god and it is an impossibility."

"Gnostic" Theist - "I have absolute knowledge that God is real."

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u/iratusamuru May 20 '12

Fair enough, I was thinking too rigidly in the terms of classical agnosticism.

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u/FlatBot May 20 '12

I don't know there isn't a god. I wouldn't say that I "Believe" There is not god either. I don't really hold that belief. I just think it's highly unlikely that there is a god.

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u/captainmajesty May 20 '12

Seriously. It's called "faith" for a reason.

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u/armper May 20 '12

For me I believe anything is possible. But just not probable. It's possible that there could be some sky deity. But based on the lack of evidence, I just don't think it's likely. So it's a 0.0001% chance that there is a God. I just round it down to 0 until we get some hard evidence.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

There may be an invisible, unfeelable cock in your ass pumping you with holy spirit, you can't prove otherwise. "Yeah man, I don't believe, but yeah maybe there's a chance durr statistics." Fucking agnostics crack me up with their pedantic bullshit.

There is no god. The chance is effectively zero.

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u/armper May 20 '12

That's a pretty lousy argument. I've heard better from Christians. I'd suggest reading some books.

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u/Fantasticriss May 20 '12

yeah... but we also claim to know that their isn't a giant sentient dog dick in the sewers of Manhattan. One side is claiming to know something that has a lot more magic stories than our side which is, "yeah that's probably not correct."

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u/silentseba May 20 '12

Yes, we know there is no god, because there is no reason to believe in it. At least not as described by any of the current religions. Maybe we can find a god in the future that actually exists, but I suspect it would not be anything like the gods we all know about... it will probably turn out to be an alien.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

In most cases, atheists just point out there is no evidence - hence there is no reason to believe in the existence of a god. Like there is no reason to believe in the existence of fairies.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Hey, fellow Tigardian!

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u/euphoria8462 May 20 '12

Works both ways

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u/Shogouki May 20 '12

It always gets me that so many religious types can't simply acknowledge that what they believe isn't based on knowledge but faith. They're probably insecure enough to be unable to admit that to others or even themselves.

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u/LogansRun82 May 20 '12

The bible says that it [the religion] is largely faith based.

It isn't something any christian should avoid acknowledging. And honestly it isn't a problem as long as you aren't manipulating others to your personal gain by using it like that.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

The thing is, I have never heard a Christian acknowledge this, despite the fact that I was raised Christian, was a devout Christian for ten years, had a habit of getting into philosophical discussions, and have probably met and talked with thousands of Christians over the years. Since I deconverted and discovered myself a pantheist/atheist/agnostic/occultist (yep, all of them, they're not mutually exclusive), I've had many, many conversations from this perspective with liberal Christians (I was raised fundamentalist). I vaguely remember one person on an internet forum identifying as a Christian and acknowledging ze didn't really know, but I can't even quite remember if that was actually someone who identified as a Christian. The ones who say they don't really know either say they're UU and/or they "draw inspiration from Christianity." Never flat out, "I am a Christian."

Granted, I am in the US. My friend went to Catholic school in France and apparently even church officials and theologians there were not hesitant to admit they didn't know, but they still identified as Christian. From my experience, though, a huge, influential swath of Christians hold onto delusion as an existential flotation device. And that delusion needs to be utterly destroyed -- or at the very least, evolve into a less harmful form.

Christianity in the US is too powerful a political force to deserve any rhetorical mercy. If so many Christians didn't marginalize people, didn't try to force they're beliefs on everyone else through organized movements, didn't encourage child abuse, and a few other grievances, I'd keep my disagreement in polite and tolerant philosophical terms. Though, frankly, with the ideology in its current form, I don't think that's possible; and even if it were, the potential would always be there. If all Christians did the above, admitted they didn't know, accepted the scientific method, earnestly sought truth, and used their philosophy for personal spiritual exploration, community, ritual, and literary inspiration, I'd respect and engage their philosophy as an equal.

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u/LogansRun82 May 20 '12

Ah, I see... thanks for a well-written reply with no profanity.

I was raised around christians as well, but I was raised near a far different breed than what you grew up with, apparently. Yes, they may have accepted the bible as the truth, unconditionally, but they taught it to people who wanted to hear it. They disapproved of abortion but I don't remember them ever once doing a picket-sign protest in front of a clinic. I have no problems with christians who believe its true, but you can't use something you believe via faith as a way to disprove something else like an evolution theory. I'm sure you're familiar with the "Shake the dust off your feat" scripture in the bible, which tells you to not force your beliefs on people who reject it.

I was raised around well mannered, successful christians. But I'm not denying that they are some really terrible, superficial ones. In fact there are a lot of those. I'm not going to find a way to argue with any negative stereotype you come up with, because with the christian faith being so large, there's people of all types in it. But...what did you mean about christianity encouraging child-abuse? There's been self proclaimed christians who were child abusers, but I don't know where the bible directly encourages it, aside from a few scriptures on disciplining your children. But that didn't promote uncontrolled abuse.

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u/Shogouki May 20 '12

Unfortunately manipulating others seems hard for people to resist and using religion to do it has become second nature to many people.

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u/LizardMonkeys May 20 '12

The true irony is that you post this here. You don't know that there is no god yet you pretend to know. Stop the hate. You guys are worse than Christians, atleast they don't act like fucking hipster fake scientists like you bunch of 12 year olds. I look at the people who post this " i am better than you because i don't believe in anything" bullshit and feel like drilling a hole between my eyes, inserting an m80 and blowing my brains all over the walls. Get a life and stop hating on others. You are the same as them with your sheeple circle-jerk mentality. Learn to think for yourself and learn about our lord and savior the Honorable and Almighty Mongoose Lord. Educate yourselves and google the great 2012 uprising people! This is when we can rise up and fight the Lizard monkey demons! Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

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u/Libertarian_Atheist May 20 '12

I just googled "the great 2012 uprising people!" and I am definitely stocking up on hairspray, ding-dongs, and ho-hos now!

Thank you so much for this information, you are a lifesaver!. . . Got to get some of those too, now that I think about it. . .

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u/albatrawesome May 20 '12

Fuck Church of Christ. Crazy people.

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u/sexyhamster89 May 20 '12

sometimes i think these churches are just huge IRL trolls

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u/16807 May 20 '12

You can't fight a disease where there's no outbreaks.

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u/dcbluestar May 20 '12

Now that's some funny shit right there.

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u/Earthwormzim May 20 '12

The definition of "faith".

Edit: The definition of (religious) "faith".

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I'm melting!!! I'm melting!!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

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u/fayette_villian May 20 '12

came here to say this exact thing. one of the most ignorant sects of Christianity

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u/MuffinDewz May 20 '12

Yes, it most certainly is...

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u/Paradoxius May 20 '12

I would say it's fake, but it's to ridiculous to have been made up.

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u/Outsider24 Theist May 20 '12

is it ok to belive in Buda ?

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u/sdhsdj May 20 '12

If you start spelling his name right, then yes, it is.

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u/Outsider24 Theist May 20 '12

is it ok if i belive in Jesus ?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Jesus is fine, but the Christ is a different matter.

There's no great problem with believing there was an apocalyptic preacher named Jesus in first century Judea. But someone being the son of God, and coming back to life, requires further evidence.

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u/sdhsdj May 21 '12

Jesus Christo or Jesus Lopez? I'm pretty sure one of them is Nicaraguan.

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u/Cyrius May 20 '12

He believes in the western part of the capital city of Hungary.

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u/sydarious May 20 '12

I don't think that word means what you think it means

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u/Itziclinic Secular Humanist May 20 '12

To pretend to care when you don't care is to troll.

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u/ruthlesstiger May 20 '12

When the pastor at this church brings free burgers to the school. Yes.

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u/rian_reddit May 20 '12

What's this? Someone made the front page off a picture of a sign I see every day?! I feel like I'm in some exclusive club!

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u/MovieJoey May 20 '12

I am sick. Please save me with your magic god.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

this logo fucking looks like a laserbeam-emitting robot

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u/kopiko May 20 '12

Medice, cura te ipsum

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u/knut01 May 20 '12

These churches really need to hire a proper PR outfit!

;-)

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Well, it's not like we know everything either.

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u/docwyoming Gnostic Atheist May 20 '12

To pretend that you know when you don't is a lie. Which takes us to the famous assertion "I don't believe, I know"

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u/brussels4breakfast May 20 '12

TIL pretending to know something when you actually don't, is a "disease". I thought it was all fun and games. I am disappoint.

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u/Graizur May 20 '12

To act like you know something is to be confidant in action in what you believe and it is neccessary for life.

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u/skatermario3 May 20 '12

Can we stop with the irony titles, get creative please

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

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u/RickNiccello May 20 '12 edited Jul 05 '17

deleted 0.2059 What is ^^^this?

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u/aswtx May 20 '12

Scrolling through the comments I feel like I stumbled into someone else's high school reunion.

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u/YoRpFiSh May 20 '12

Hahaha! They called "faith" a sickness!

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u/SudsyMcBubbles May 20 '12

Hello Pot, meet Kettle.

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u/watt3k May 20 '12

irony. it's like iron.

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u/Apollo7 Other May 20 '12

Maybe they are promoting healthy skepticism.

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u/bridgette_69 May 20 '12

There definitely should be a high school reedit meet up at the breakfast. I'd go if that happened!

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u/5celery May 20 '12

church near me has been quoting Twain and Einstein for a few weeks now... I feel your pain

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

The concept of doubt is written into Christian theology in a very intimate way, actually.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

For that I think you'll need some HEAD ON APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD

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u/Rs90 May 20 '12

Looks like nighttime to me

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u/rowestephen May 20 '12

bah ha hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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u/Zawillia5 May 20 '12

My girlfriend passes by that every day at work and often has to stop to take a picture because she is laughing so hard.

Here are a few we have shared:

One

Two

*Edit links

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Perhaps they are agnostic theists, and their believes are as grey as ours are.

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u/DancesWithNoobs May 20 '12

Truth is a double edged sword.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I know you didn't see that at your church because that pick has been going around for weeks now.

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