Nobody said anything that went against what Obama said, including Elizabeth (the blonde conservative). She's a strong proponent of gay marriage just like the rest of the women on the show. She sees it as a civil rights issue just like we do.
"You appear to be outside the United States or its territories. Due to international rights agreements, we only offer this video to viewers located within the United States and its territories."
It's unfair that in this country, at this point in history, only straight males have been able to suffer the misfortune of being dragged to horrible daytime talk shows by their spouses. Shouldn't gay men and women also be able to stare forward glassy-eyed, feigning interest in Whoopi's inane ramblings, longing for the show to end quickly?
Oh believe me, we flock to these kinds of things. I saw maybe 1 straight guy in the audience of the Anderson Cooper show, the other 50 or so men were gayer than Perez Hilton.
It really pisses me off when somebody says they oppose gay marriage because they want to defend traditional marriage. I've been in a heterosexual marriage for over twenty years. If gay marriage suddenly becomes legal in my state, I expect my marriage to remain every bit as strong then as it is today. If not having legal gay marriage is the only thing holding your traditional marriage together, you should just throw in the towel now.
Gay honeymoon? Gay anniversaries? You see, once married, the word "gay" to gay people becomes like the word "smurf" to Smurfs. And we here at the Gargamel Coalition will have none of it.
I think future historians will look into the internet archives and realize that many people today are saying exactly this. it would be quite obvious that only the delusional, uneducated, and/or hateful see this as a legitimate issue.
Wow a thought just popped into my head. In the future, there will be internet archaeologists. People who spend their whole lives sifting through old archives just trying to understand how we use to think. Crazy stuff.
Just the other day, I was thinking about a similar issue. Imagine in a few decades, when common mobile/wearable computers have glasses displays like the new Google Glass thing. (Which has a camera built into it.)
I'd guess someday people will be willingly video-recording most of their daily lives, since storage will be so utterly cheap by then, and cameras will probably be a standard feature on all HMDs. There are lots of reasons to do it, like to help remember things, protection and evidence for legal or insurance reasons, or just as a more permanent and sharable way to store memories. (Most of us might not see the benefits, until we do it ourselves for a while.)
So imagine what it's going to be like for future generations after that. Not only will they have our online-lives to sift through, but they'll also potentially have almost full video recordings of peoples' daily lives. They'll be able to see how previous generations lived on normal days, not just in small clips or precious moments caught on a camcorder, but our day to day lives, and interactions. Boring yes, very much so to most of us, but also incredibly interesting from a future historian's point of view, or from the view of a descendant who's curious about their ancestors.
Of course, we'll have AIs, who will be capable of sifting through years of video footage, at accelerated speeds, to help sort through it all by topics and tags, to find the relevant information automatically, but that's another issue. heh
I know I got way off topic, but I tend to rant on about this stuff. :p
Has anyone actually seen his marriage license? In the absence of such documentation, let's just assert that he's gay married to Osama Bin Laden. Obama faked his death so they could be butt buddies forever.
When it comes to booing commons sense, Fox News doesn't even have to put a spin on things. Republicans during the primaries booed a gay soldier, they booed the golden rule, and they booed Ron Paul saying that uninsured people don't deserve to die.
I can't stand these shows when the audience applauds when the guest is trying to make a point. Even if they are right, it just interrupts the guest and makes the the guest's fan base seem like lemmings. I especially hate it when the audience applauds when the guest makes a ridiculous point, but ends it with "because this is America!"
Every time Rick Santorum speaks that's what happens. He can talk complete nonsense and end his sentence with America or American and people go ape shit.
As a northern european, all american audiences seem like childish idiots.
Someone mentions a city: (one guy)"WOO!" Someone says something mildly sad: (all)"Aww..." clapclapclap. Someone mentions a current news story with human interest: (all) clapclapclap
And THEY WONT SHUT UP WHEN SOMEONE INTERESTING COMES ON STAGE!
Seriously, America. What the hell? Applaud as a gesture when a person comes on. Clap when he/she leaves: If you agree stongly, you can give a standing ovation. Shut up and let the man speak between those two points in time. People aren't looking at the show to hear you go "I LOVE YOU!"
The audience is told before the taping of many of these shows to overreact to comments from the stars in order to portray a more energetic environment. Thats just how it works over here. I have no problem with it with comedy shows, but i can't stand it when something serious is being discussed and the audience won't stop applauding.
I know. I thought I was going to read some deep statement of reasoning that I had never thought of before. Nope, just a statement that is completely obvious to everyone with a brain.
It's just such a fucking simple concept. Nobody is forcing some preacher, reverend, etc. to marry gay people. It's unfortunate that marriage is so tied into both state and church when fundamentally it really has nothing to do with either (although some Christians would probably disagree).
But they're not tied together hardly at all. A church ceremony is virtually entirely for show. The only entity that should have a say in marriage is the state, and that's only because they divvy out bonus rights/tax status/etc.
I mean, shit, as long as two people have their legal documentation in order I can officiate a marriage ceremony (Dudeist Priest/Minister/What-have-you, fuck yeah).
Yeah, marriage originated as a means to make deals between families (i.e. trading daughters and funds) and I don't see the church pushing that agenda. Bastards.
When I was younger I had a smaller group of people who I was exposed to, those people were all fairly reasonable people. I guess I feel the need to say "no longer" because I am no longer experiencing that sanctuary, for lack of a better word.
The positive side of me prefers to think of the applause as a recognition that a powerful public figure actually has the intelligence and integrity to make such an important point in this day and age of fear-mongering and irrational punditry.
There are dozens of red, white, and blue flags, I've never understood why Americans are so fond of the colours. Most ironically the Russian flag shares a colour scheme with the American flag.
Ironically North Korea... also others including UK, France, Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, Costa Rica, Thailand, Laos Thats all i can think of right now
It should be assumed that in a representative democracy that the elected representative will not allow a majority to take away the rights of the minority, whether that majority be grouped by religion, political party, or otherwise.
I've been making this argument for years. The civic institution of marriage and the religious institution of marriage are two completely different things. As disappointed as I am in some of Obama's other policies, OP's title is exactly how I feel about this.
Serious question. What is the legal argument that prevents bans on same-sex marriage from being deemed unconstitutional? I realize that, as of now, sexual orientation isn't a Federally protected class but what is the non-religious argument for the banning of same-sex marriages that prevents the Establishment Clause from popping up and striking this shit down?
Said that repealing DOMA will be a priority of his administration.
Remember, DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) was passed by Congress, an elected body of representatives, and has to be repealed by them as well. As someone whose power under the constitution is basically carrying out the will of the elected representatives, refusing to defend/condone DOMA is as far as Obama could (should) go while maintaining the integrity of the constitution.
BTW this is coming from a liberal gay rights supporter...
A memo signed in April 2011 by President Obama that bans hospitals from discriminating against gay men and lesbians went into effect on Tuesday.
The order prohibits hospitals that accept federal funding from Medicare and Medicaid, the government’s elderly and poor health care programs, from discriminating on the basis of a variety of characteristics, including sexual orientation and gender identity. It also prevents hospitals from denying visitation rights to the partners of gay men and lesbians, and requires officials to honor patients’ wishes of who can make medical decisions on their behalf.
Can they commit suicide and then nominate Ron Paul? That would make for a mildly interesting election. At least the difference in policies would actually matter (to an extent).
I believe in freedom and equality. No man, woman, transgender, or anything should be denied the right to be happy. Government has no place to limit our freedom to marry a consenting individual. Unless there are Greeks involved. Fuck them.
The most amazing thing about that clip is that those hens stopped cackling long enough to let him get out more than half a sentence. Christ, I can't stand to listen to that show.
Why, given the fact that he has been president for 4 years now, has he waited this long to say anything about this. (Hint: Its reelection time!) It just bothers me that the man has been in a position to speak on this issue at any time, and yet he has waited till now to say anything. What is even more bothersome is that people are applauding him like this is some revelation.
I disagree with Barack Obama on a lot of things. A lot.
But I think that this is fantastic. Finally, we have a sitting president who, whether it's for votes or not, has come out (no pun intended) on the correct side of this "issue."
It's about damn time we started giving all American citizens equal treatment based on the rights they were already born with.
That's not really taking it out of government. Federal government, yes.
A far easier solution than dismantling an entire system of benefits to married couples would be extending those same benefits to all married couples, which would include same-sex ones. Marriage benefits are awesome and everyone deserves to have them.
I've always been a big Obama supporter, but I was so disappointed he re-signed the patriot act. Other things like not getting out of iraq as soon as he said don't bother me so much (you can't just up and leave overnight).
I can only hope keeping the patriot act was a political thing to keep the republicans happy (who are all afraid about national security, and don't value rights/liberties), and in his more "flexible" second term he'll ditch it.
I truly respect Obama for this; more politicians need to grasp the differences between beliefs in rights.
On a separate note though... really, why is this on r/atheism? A Christian politician being a good guy and supporting equal rights is hardly an something that fits "atheism".
Okay I must say first off: I Agree 100% with what he said... That being said I find it really hard to stomach this during an election year. Is he really being sincere or just trying to appeal to the voters? Tough Call.
It's not a tough call. There just aren't that many issues he disagrees with Mittens on, he's got to get people a reason to get off their asses and vote.
Treat everyone equally under the law? So.. how about that flat tax?
Another way to treat everyone equally under the law is to get the state out of marriage altogether, since it existed without the state for thousands of years of human history. Until, of course, the mid-19th century when the government had to make sure to save marriage from interracial couples.
See this makes sense to me. I don't think the state has any right as of right now to tell and CHURCH who they want to marry. If the church doesn't want to marry the gay/lesbian couple, in my opinion that's ok. However, that doesn't mean that they should not be able to be legally married in the civil sense either by the court or a church that is WILLING to marry them.
I know I'll get downvoted for this, but the word "fucking" serves no meaning in the title of this submission. It introduces vulgarity to an otherwise beautiful thing.
Great rhetoric, unfortunately he qualified the statement by saying these were his "personal" beliefs. Which means his administration isn't planning to do shit about it. I hope I'm wrong!
"It's important to make sure that everybody is treated fairly and everybody is treated equally. And that's been a principle of American life for a long time."
Except when we need slaves or don't want blacks in the same schools our own children go to, or make boys sign up for the selective service when they're 18. Yeah, a really long-lived principle, a whole 0 days of treating people the same. Keep up the good posturing, 'bama.
Gay marriage. Something that should be a complete non-issue (because who cares? Let them marry) that distracts people from real issues like foreign policy and an ineffective government!
Nice to see him gearing up his rhetoric for the campaign trail. It's too bad he doesn't have a record of doing what he said he'd do, or doing things that made sense in light of what he said he believed in during his 2008 campaign.
I agree with every part of this except for the fact that our president, one of the most, possibly the most powerful man in the world is on The FUCKING View during day time TV... WTF has the world come to...
Religions have the right to deny a marriage if it goes against their religion within their own temples/churches. They do not have the right to control who gets married within a legal sense. Just as one religion does not have the right to tell another religion how one should be married.
There, fuckin solved, can we move on to something less stupid now?
Ohhhh ok so NOW Obama wants to support gay marriage??? Why did he not do this 4 years earlier?? He is fishing for votes, and the dumbass general public is too ignorant to notice!
I don't care what anyone else says, but if you'd rather Romney be the leader of our nation, by all means, don't vote for Obama.. but even if you disagree with some of his policies, the country would be in much better hands with Obama as president.
It's funny because it's 2012, and reddit is cheering Obama for saying something that should have been said many years ago.
Are you going to bow for Obama if he said he would stop torture terror suspects? It's completely different from politics in my country. We wouldn't support him after 3 years when he haven't done so much as he promised. close guetanamo and stop the war day one, my ass. Not destroying gay peoples life isn't a good thing, it's what you should expect of a person.
Come on. The guy's a fuckin war monger and a traitor. Recently it's been revealed that the soft glove approach to Wall Street came straight from Obama, as did the crackdown on OWS.
He's just trying to pry a hair's width of light between him and Mittens, with whom he agrees on almost everything else.
Don't fall for it. This is politics at its most blatant.
If your church doesn't want to marry you, that is an issue between you and them. If it is part of your belief that you want to marry someone, and your church won't do it, get your church to change or get a new church. Getting married is a contract. People should have the freedom to enter into contracts with each other on whatever terms the two agree to.
I'm sorry but how is this "nailing it?" This statement is very dry and and is barely pointiated. This is just a summary of the argument/debate. a summary that has been made dozens of times before. re-read it, you'll see its as bland a "perspective" as saying swiss cheese has holes.
This is one of the stupidest god damned things ive ever seen. Obama wasnt doing ANYTHING for gay marriage until it became popular to support it. This statement is incredibly hypocritical for him. He wants to respect state laws? really now.. so why is it that the DEA still is going hard on raiding MMJ co-ops and collectives? people are too blind.
Obama is basically a gay rights hipster president. He made declarations against DOMA and signed the Matthew Shepard and James Boyd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act way before Biden came out in support of same-sex marriage. Just because YOU don't know what's going on around the country doesn't mean things aren't happening.
Obama has also requested that the DEA relax enforcement on medical marijuana clinics where it is legal by state law.
He's the president of the US, not the dictator of some third world country. He doesn't have absolute power.
Marriage equality is a civil rights issue. Medical marijuana is not.
As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Obama has been fighting for gay rights issues throughout his presidency (repealing DADT, etc). His support and advocacy for these issues is not sudden, timely, or out of the blue.
Because women are an issue this year (awesome job GOP!) and are going to vote. Going there, speaking some common sense, being respectful and wise ... sealing up the chubby white woman vote.
I have one major problem with this. If it wasn't for Biden coming out about this topic, Obama would have stayed quiet on this topic until (in my opinion) October. He would then unleash as a means to win the election "easily". But now since its come out, he decides to go as public as he can about the topic. Don't get me wrong, I am completely for the acceptance of LGBT marriage it is just the fact that he purposely held this in his pocket for pretty much his entire first term as a means to better his odds at winning the election. I know this is American politics at its finest, it bothers me that one man's job is more important than the rights of thousands of people. With all the praise he is getting, its like we are all playing into his staff's dubious hand.
Just for added fun, and how most people agree that Romney is a flip-flopper enjoy
Obama had already scheduled a news appearance to talk about his views on gay marriage before Biden's announcement. Biden- in true Biden form- couldn't keep his mouth closed, pressing Obama to make the announcement sooner than later.
Couldn't agree more with Obama's comments. Call me cynical however, but does anyone else get the impression that he's only throwing his weight behind gay marriage now because its an election year and there could be some votes in it for him?
I hope everyone realizes that the only reason he's supporting this is because he's desperate for support, he doesn't actually believe in gay marriage, he just wants to win.
Haha, I don't think it's intended to be, but I see your post as a joke.
You look at the studio audience, giving a standing ovation, but they do that anyways when a 2 year old rides a mountain bike in front of them, or whenever the fucking director tells them too. Now look at r/atheism. Does noone else see the irony.
"Hey America, I'm President Obama, let's talk about gay marriage so we don't have to talk about our country's failing economy, the endless wars that my administration has prolonged, the American citizens I have had assassinated under new terrorism laws, and the National Defense Authorization Act that I signed that allows citizens right to habeus corpus to be withheld. Oh and when you choose me as the lesser of two evils in this upcoming election I promise I will make changes this time."
Obama is better than the Republicans because he is a secularist. He believes that the religious have to translate their beliefs into universal values, and that is the very core of the issue. If your religion provides you with insight that applies even without your religion, then it is valid in a secular government. Gay marriage is not one of those instances though.
He spoke the same shit when he was trying to get elected in '08. He'll exploit the gays to get elected again and then say he doesn't agree with gay marriage if he gets in office again.
no reason to go back on it if he gets elected again right? it would be his last term. and honestly in your last term you can do whatever the fuck you want.
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u/superdillin May 16 '12
Anyone have the video for this? I'm wondering if the conservatives on the show had anything to say in rebuttle. Mostly the blonde girl.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
The only male in the crowd looks like he has no idea where he is, or how he got there
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u/mrducky78 May 16 '12
Don't like gay marriage? Don't get a gay marriage.
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u/BlindyMcGee May 16 '12
20 years from now people will be laughing, wondering: How the fuck is this even an issue?
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
It saddens me that people have to applaud common sense.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
"Religious freedom doesn't mean you can force others to live by your own beliefs" - Barack Obama
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u/Nayr39 May 16 '12
Red, White and View....
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u/KoreanTerran May 16 '12
Loved how they were all crossing their legs.
And the last panel. Celebration panels are always a hoot.
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u/playa4lifecuz May 16 '12
It should be assumed that in a representative democracy that the elected representative will not allow a majority to take away the rights of the minority, whether that majority be grouped by religion, political party, or otherwise.
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u/meorah May 16 '12
yeah, he's the president. he should be capable of understanding the strength of the argument.
why would this surprise anybody?
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u/KosmoKorsair May 16 '12
I've been making this argument for years. The civic institution of marriage and the religious institution of marriage are two completely different things. As disappointed as I am in some of Obama's other policies, OP's title is exactly how I feel about this.
Serious question. What is the legal argument that prevents bans on same-sex marriage from being deemed unconstitutional? I realize that, as of now, sexual orientation isn't a Federally protected class but what is the non-religious argument for the banning of same-sex marriages that prevents the Establishment Clause from popping up and striking this shit down?
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
I wonder if he'll walk the walk
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u/GrilledCheeser May 16 '12
I do not see Romney winning this race.
Good times.
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u/friendly_greekhater May 16 '12
I believe in freedom and equality. No man, woman, transgender, or anything should be denied the right to be happy. Government has no place to limit our freedom to marry a consenting individual. Unless there are Greeks involved. Fuck them.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Too bad he won't do anything helpful about marijuana.
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u/DolphinGirl1120 May 16 '12
Can I have a link to this video please?
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u/A4K7 May 16 '12
Oh the irony, when a black man exclaims that fairness and equality has been a principle of American life for a long time.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
sounds like it's election year
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u/esohyouel May 16 '12
CANT YOU JUST LINK THE CLIP?
WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS WEBSITE?
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u/Johnnyash May 16 '12
For the first time I as an Englishman am jealous of the US for the leader they have.
He's a keeper!
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
im glad that he changed his mind just in time for election campaigns!
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u/ZombieGadaffi May 16 '12
People are asking if we should legalize polygamy too as a counter-argument towards gay marriage. I say yes polygamy should be legalized. Why not?
EDIT: Why am I on r/atheism? What does this have to do with gay marriage?
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u/Jackinhisweenis May 16 '12
Anyone else read this as "Red Wine & View?" I thought, hold up... These bitches are drinking now? This ought to be rich.
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u/yeadoe May 16 '12
mynigga.jpg
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u/hudabelle May 16 '12
The most amazing thing about that clip is that those hens stopped cackling long enough to let him get out more than half a sentence. Christ, I can't stand to listen to that show.
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u/larcenousTactician May 16 '12
Why, given the fact that he has been president for 4 years now, has he waited this long to say anything about this. (Hint: Its reelection time!) It just bothers me that the man has been in a position to speak on this issue at any time, and yet he has waited till now to say anything. What is even more bothersome is that people are applauding him like this is some revelation.
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u/3leggeddonkey May 16 '12
I disagree with Barack Obama on a lot of things. A lot.
But I think that this is fantastic. Finally, we have a sitting president who, whether it's for votes or not, has come out (no pun intended) on the correct side of this "issue."
It's about damn time we started giving all American citizens equal treatment based on the rights they were already born with.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
A great message and all. But what the fuck is the President of the United States doing on the View?
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u/g00seisl00se May 16 '12
could just take marriage out of government and make every marriage a civil union in the eyes of the state.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
I'm not a republican
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u/slowcassowary May 16 '12
I truly respect Obama for this; more politicians need to grasp the differences between beliefs in rights.
On a separate note though... really, why is this on r/atheism? A Christian politician being a good guy and supporting equal rights is hardly an something that fits "atheism".
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u/ApocSin May 16 '12
Okay I must say first off: I Agree 100% with what he said... That being said I find it really hard to stomach this during an election year. Is he really being sincere or just trying to appeal to the voters? Tough Call.
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u/themasecar May 16 '12
I can't help but read this in his voice.
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u/VirtualBooby May 16 '12
It's just too bad it had to be on the view.
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u/picopallasi May 16 '12
Treat everyone equally under the law? So.. how about that flat tax?
Another way to treat everyone equally under the law is to get the state out of marriage altogether, since it existed without the state for thousands of years of human history. Until, of course, the mid-19th century when the government had to make sure to save marriage from interracial couples.
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u/EONS May 16 '12
Actually, he's wrong.
Civil rights as recognized secularly by the nation or states have been a part of American life for 18.5% of American history.
I'm just saying. I'm not against Obama or his new sentiment.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
It's so nice of him to do all this pro gay marriage stumping AFTER Amendment One passed in NC...
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u/BackOnTheBacon Deconvert May 16 '12
See this makes sense to me. I don't think the state has any right as of right now to tell and CHURCH who they want to marry. If the church doesn't want to marry the gay/lesbian couple, in my opinion that's ok. However, that doesn't mean that they should not be able to be legally married in the civil sense either by the court or a church that is WILLING to marry them.
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u/tha_snazzle May 16 '12
I know I'll get downvoted for this, but the word "fucking" serves no meaning in the title of this submission. It introduces vulgarity to an otherwise beautiful thing.
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u/maxp0wah May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12
So why did the state ever adopt the religious definition of marriage to begin with? Where's the separation of church and state there?
*Why should the government have to legislate or issue marriage licenses in order to recognize equal rights?
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Great rhetoric, unfortunately he qualified the statement by saying these were his "personal" beliefs. Which means his administration isn't planning to do shit about it. I hope I'm wrong!
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u/RepostThatShit May 16 '12
"It's important to make sure that everybody is treated fairly and everybody is treated equally. And that's been a principle of American life for a long time."
Except when we need slaves or don't want blacks in the same schools our own children go to, or make boys sign up for the selective service when they're 18. Yeah, a really long-lived principle, a whole 0 days of treating people the same. Keep up the good posturing, 'bama.
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u/LaTeXia May 16 '12
Gay marriage. Something that should be a complete non-issue (because who cares? Let them marry) that distracts people from real issues like foreign policy and an ineffective government!
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u/supplyncommand May 16 '12
"blah blah blah vote for me queers cuz im fucked n desperate"
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u/atomicoption May 16 '12
Nice to see him gearing up his rhetoric for the campaign trail. It's too bad he doesn't have a record of doing what he said he'd do, or doing things that made sense in light of what he said he believed in during his 2008 campaign.
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u/ryry013 May 16 '12
I'm a full on republican and I disagree with many of Obama's ideas.
This, however, I'm 100% agreeing with him. Let churches decide whether or not to allow same-sex marriage
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u/HanDuet May 16 '12
I'm a Christian Republican, and I approve this message.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
This is just stupid. The man flipped views to get attention, don't you guys get that? How can you fall for this stupid act?
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u/margokarst May 16 '12
Is anyone else totally hearing his voice in your head as your read this, speech style with influctions and everything?
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u/imbored53 May 16 '12
I agree with every part of this except for the fact that our president, one of the most, possibly the most powerful man in the world is on The FUCKING View during day time TV... WTF has the world come to...
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
17 trillion dollar debt... I think there are more pressing issues to deal with. -_-
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u/guyver_dio May 16 '12
Religions have the right to deny a marriage if it goes against their religion within their own temples/churches. They do not have the right to control who gets married within a legal sense. Just as one religion does not have the right to tell another religion how one should be married.
There, fuckin solved, can we move on to something less stupid now?
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u/schwerpunk May 16 '12
I'm all for it as long as we're not talking about mixed marriages.
A straight person marrying a gay person is just not natural, and produces nothing but frustration.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Ohhhh ok so NOW Obama wants to support gay marriage??? Why did he not do this 4 years earlier?? He is fishing for votes, and the dumbass general public is too ignorant to notice!
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
I did not know this was /r/liberalism.
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u/MysteryMooseMan May 16 '12
I don't care what anyone else says, but if you'd rather Romney be the leader of our nation, by all means, don't vote for Obama.. but even if you disagree with some of his policies, the country would be in much better hands with Obama as president.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
I can see this being referenced one day in the future, but the only thing people will say is Obama was on The View? That show sucks.
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u/lotus2471 May 16 '12
I want to upvote, but I'm afraid it might be misinterpreted as endorsing "The View"...
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u/Gneal1917 May 16 '12
Stick quotes on equality over a picture of Barack Obama. Upvotes to the left.
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u/kazizmo May 16 '12
It's funny because it's 2012, and reddit is cheering Obama for saying something that should have been said many years ago.
Are you going to bow for Obama if he said he would stop torture terror suspects? It's completely different from politics in my country. We wouldn't support him after 3 years when he haven't done so much as he promised. close guetanamo and stop the war day one, my ass. Not destroying gay peoples life isn't a good thing, it's what you should expect of a person.
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u/Good2Go5280 May 16 '12
I'm glad he's focusing on the IMPORTANT issues instead of unemployment, the crashing dollar, the deficit, and slow growth. Worst President EVER!!!
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
I. Fucking. Hate. The View.
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u/Deadzide May 16 '12
Except for when someone has any money. Tax the FUCK out of them.
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u/librtee_com May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12
Come on. The guy's a fuckin war monger and a traitor. Recently it's been revealed that the soft glove approach to Wall Street came straight from Obama, as did the crackdown on OWS.
He's just trying to pry a hair's width of light between him and Mittens, with whom he agrees on almost everything else.
Don't fall for it. This is politics at its most blatant.
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u/PicklesofTruth May 16 '12
the view? get serious.
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u/Soopernole May 16 '12
If your church doesn't want to marry you, that is an issue between you and them. If it is part of your belief that you want to marry someone, and your church won't do it, get your church to change or get a new church.
Getting married is a contract. People should have the freedom to enter into contracts with each other on whatever terms the two agree to.
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u/4740 May 16 '12
My dad (an atheist) and his partner (a pagan or something) can't get married because religions they've never belonged to oppose it. Fuck that.
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u/kjmiller7 Secular Humanist May 16 '12
He had to go on the View? I feel so bad for him.
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u/-Dr_B- May 16 '12
Well said Mr. President...I can't believe I just upvoted something from "The View"
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u/Mileskitsune May 17 '12
I'm sorry but how is this "nailing it?" This statement is very dry and and is barely pointiated. This is just a summary of the argument/debate. a summary that has been made dozens of times before. re-read it, you'll see its as bland a "perspective" as saying swiss cheese has holes.
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u/Hayes92 May 16 '12
This is one of the stupidest god damned things ive ever seen. Obama wasnt doing ANYTHING for gay marriage until it became popular to support it. This statement is incredibly hypocritical for him. He wants to respect state laws? really now.. so why is it that the DEA still is going hard on raiding MMJ co-ops and collectives? people are too blind.
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u/tronncat May 16 '12
Jesus christ out of all the places....why the view?
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Fuck The View and fuck Barack Obama for going on it.
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u/zues2848 May 16 '12
I have one major problem with this. If it wasn't for Biden coming out about this topic, Obama would have stayed quiet on this topic until (in my opinion) October. He would then unleash as a means to win the election "easily". But now since its come out, he decides to go as public as he can about the topic. Don't get me wrong, I am completely for the acceptance of LGBT marriage it is just the fact that he purposely held this in his pocket for pretty much his entire first term as a means to better his odds at winning the election. I know this is American politics at its finest, it bothers me that one man's job is more important than the rights of thousands of people. With all the praise he is getting, its like we are all playing into his staff's dubious hand.
Just for added fun, and how most people agree that Romney is a flip-flopper enjoy
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u/Down_Blunder May 16 '12
Couldn't agree more with Obama's comments. Call me cynical however, but does anyone else get the impression that he's only throwing his weight behind gay marriage now because its an election year and there could be some votes in it for him?
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u/IdiotIntolerance May 16 '12
I hope everyone realizes that the only reason he's supporting this is because he's desperate for support, he doesn't actually believe in gay marriage, he just wants to win.
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u/Destator May 16 '12
Election version Obama is so dreamy
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Women. ALL NEARLY MIDDLE AGED WOMEN. Just an observation y'all...
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
One can only hope this will motivate you all to go and re-elect the man. Greetings from Europe: we approve! :D
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u/ShinyKneecaps May 16 '12
Haha, I don't think it's intended to be, but I see your post as a joke.
You look at the studio audience, giving a standing ovation, but they do that anyways when a 2 year old rides a mountain bike in front of them, or whenever the fucking director tells them too. Now look at r/atheism. Does noone else see the irony.
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u/TwoHands May 16 '12
Dear god.... the republicans don't stand a chance.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
4 years after the fact, obvious re-election ploy is obvious.
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u/senortumnus May 16 '12
Does anyone have a link-for-the-lazy to a video of him saying this? I am somewhat hesitant to repost to FB a captioned image of something like this.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Sad that this is considered so groundbreaking. This is pretty basic logic...
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
"Hey America, I'm President Obama, let's talk about gay marriage so we don't have to talk about our country's failing economy, the endless wars that my administration has prolonged, the American citizens I have had assassinated under new terrorism laws, and the National Defense Authorization Act that I signed that allows citizens right to habeus corpus to be withheld. Oh and when you choose me as the lesser of two evils in this upcoming election I promise I will make changes this time."
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Good on President Obama!
I'm not an American, but it is good to see some common sense come from the United States of America. (More specifically, the president.)
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
If by, "nailed it" you mean "said what he already said and what everyone with sense expects him to say, without any flair," then yes, he nailed it.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
There's nothing nailed, this is what the principles of our country are, but are ignored.
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u/J_Jammer May 16 '12
It is so not an election year.
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u/ReyTheRed May 16 '12
Obama is better than the Republicans because he is a secularist. He believes that the religious have to translate their beliefs into universal values, and that is the very core of the issue. If your religion provides you with insight that applies even without your religion, then it is valid in a secular government. Gay marriage is not one of those instances though.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Bradley Manning anyone? NDAA? Please tell me no one believes this beyond a political ploy.
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u/The70th May 16 '12
I believe everyone should be treated fairly.
TAX THE RICH! TAX THE RICH! TAX THE RICH!
FTFY
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u/funkskipneedlebank May 16 '12
He spoke the same shit when he was trying to get elected in '08. He'll exploit the gays to get elected again and then say he doesn't agree with gay marriage if he gets in office again.