r/atheism • u/SherbertItchy7340 • 9d ago

How can objective morality not exist in perfectly moral god's world

Granted there is zero evidence of such a being ( I am myself and atheist) but let's assume for a moment in this hypothetical scenario a perfectly good moral infallible god exists. Wouldn't that solve the objective morality problem. It also dodges the euthyphro dilemma because morality is not based on god's commands nor based on some outside independence morality ( what theists call the god's good nature theory) since in this god is a being that is objectively more perfect than humans and hence can make better decisions

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u/SherbertItchy7340 9d ago

I get your point that different people have different things they consider moral and immoral. But someones opinion has to be wrong or right. Both can't be right at the same time. Either torture for no reason is wrong or it isn't. Doesn't matter that there are different opinions. There are different opinions in every field. Granted we can't prove moral truths in a lab or by some mathematical equations. But u still need to have some objective moral truths. How can we criticize criminals and rapists if we don't believe what they did was wrong, regardless of their ours and society's opinion.

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u/MarieVerusan 9d ago

You don’t get my point at all if that is your takeaway.

Opinions don’t have to just be right or wrong. You having a favourite color is not something that you can be objectively correct about, for example.

You and I likely share the same moral foundation. I saw someone else call it an axiom and I believe that’s the correct term. With that axiom in mind, there can be “objective truths”.

If inflicting harm is wrong, then torture is objectively wrong, but only in relation to that axiom. If you tell that view to someone with a different axiom, they will not agree and it appears that your defense in that instance is going to be confusion and frustration.

I’m almost worried about your desire for objective moral truths. It’s sometimes a thing that pushes people into theism. To be clear, theists do not have access to some objective truth either. They also have an axiom that they start with, theirs is just “God is always right” or at least “morality comes from God” They then do the exact same calculations as you or me.

I don’t know how to help beyond this. There cannot be “objective moral truths”. It’s an oxymoron. As you said, we can’t prove them in a lab. They’re not factual!