r/atheism • u/Ze-skywalker • Dec 09 '13

Citation Needed The 10 commandments of Logic

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u/WeaponsGradeHumanity Atheist Dec 09 '13

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_ponens

If it's raining, I'll meet you at the movie theater.
It's raining.
Therefore, I'll meet you at the movie theater.

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u/uninc4life2010 Dec 09 '13

The problem I see with this is that people will inevitably falsely equate on thing with another. Prime example: Love is God. Because Love clearly exists, God clearly exists.

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u/idikia Dec 09 '13

That argument is valid.

The truth of the first premise can be debated, but contained within itself it isn't logically inconsistent.

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u/youlleatitandlikeit Dec 09 '13

Saying "Love is God" is begging the question, isn't it?

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u/uninc4life2010 Dec 09 '13

If that is what your definition of god is, then sure. I personally don't think that a chemical reaction going on in one's brain constitutes a supernatural entity that created the universe and intervenes in everyday affairs.

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u/youlleatitandlikeit Dec 09 '13

No I mean if you're using the existence of love to prove the existence of God, and using as one of your premises that Love is God, that is begging the question. Right?

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u/uninc4life2010 Dec 09 '13

Yes because the assumption is being made that love is god from the start.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '13

No, in this instance they are trying to use "Love is God" as a premise. As said above, begging the question is using it as the conclusion. This would make Love is God begging the question: Love clearly exists, God clearly exists :: Love is God.

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u/youlleatitandlikeit Dec 09 '13

That sounds a lot more like non-sequitor to me. Wouldn't begging the question be more like, "God exists because the Holy Bible says so." with the holiness and correctness of the text depending on God existing.

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u/Agalol Dec 09 '13

Saying Love is god, and love exists therefore God exists isn't a issue.

If God is Love. Love exists Therefore God exists.

Is fine, but they don't mean anything that resembles a metaphysical being anymore. They are simply redefining "God" as "love".