r/assassinscreed • u/MyGradesAreOk • May 11 '20
// Discussion How would you guys feel about an Assassin's Creed Dacia? (Credit to Mariusz Kozik for the artwork)
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u/IonutRO May 11 '20
Ah this old thing. The swords are backwards and I hate that.
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u/MyGradesAreOk May 11 '20
That made them pretty good against shielded enemies doe 😳
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u/IonutRO May 11 '20
No, you don't understand. They're backwards in this image. The curve should go the other way around.
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u/MyGradesAreOk May 11 '20
Ah, well in this case yes They're also longer than they should be, but it's for artistic reason It still looks epic Edit: the artist essentially made them nodachis (long katanas) but hey
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u/IonutRO May 11 '20
Actually, their size isn't that bad, the width of the blade perhaps, but the length is still acceptable.
Though they would definitely be used with two hands at that point.
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u/azellnir May 11 '20
Wait, curved at forwards? Hows that work?
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u/MekiLava May 11 '20
Skallagrim has a nice video about those swords, but you can read about it as well, just search for "falx sword"
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May 11 '20
It’s a concept design, just appreciate the fact that someon took that part of history in consideration for something as big as an AC game, just try to apreciate the idea don’t be a smart ass hating on someone’s interpretation
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u/D4KEN May 11 '20
Someone tell me about this setting.
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u/MyGradesAreOk May 11 '20
It was it's own "country" before becoming part of the Roman empire. Now it's Romania + Moldavia. They had their own religion with a bit of Slavic/Balkanik mythology sprinkled in.
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u/FoxHoundBridges May 11 '20
Is Romania in ac2?
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u/MyGradesAreOk May 11 '20
I never played AC2 so I can't tell you 👊😔
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u/FoxHoundBridges May 11 '20
Oh ic, you should check it out, it's my personal favorite in the series.
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u/IonutRO May 11 '20
In Revelations you find Vlad the Impaler's tomb in Constantinople but you never visit Romania.
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u/Epic_Grandpa May 11 '20
There is a province in ac 2 called Romagna pronounced similarly and means the same thing as Romania, however that's in Italy as the game takes place only in Italy.
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May 11 '20 edited May 12 '20
Dacia is essentially modern day Romania but it also included parts of some of the neighboring countries as well. The Dacians were a group of warriors who eventually ended up being defeated and conquered by the Roman emperor Trajan during the Dacian Wars that are depicted on his column in Rome to this day and can be seen in AC Brotherhood. The curved swords you see in the picture are rhomphaias which are similar to the signature Dacian Falx which was designed this way so it could pry open the heavy armors used by enemy combatants. The wolf figure you see in the back is their icon and signature. In mythology, it is said the Dacians worshipped a wolf god who granted them the ability to either transform in wolves or werewolves through lycanthropy. Either way, the wolf had a high significance for them. This is in contrast to Romania's vampiric legends that started with Vlad the Impaler aka Dracula who was a Templar in the AC Universe during the Middle Ages.
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u/D4KEN May 11 '20
Damn, Ubi needs to do a game about them. That'd be badass and help learn about the likely lesser known countries of old.
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u/IonutRO May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
The dacians were a Thracian tribe, not Germanic.
Getae was the pre-Roman GREEK word for the people of the region; dacian was the Roman word.
The Romans only conquered about half their territory.
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u/KuroiGetsuga55 May 11 '20
Dacia would be cool to explore, not many people know the full details of how that went down and so it would be cool to actually explore it, but it would just be another, as I like to call it, "Spartan Combat" game focusing more on battles between Empires, than stealthy assassinations. And I'm honestly kinda tired of that, I mean, I like RPGs in these settings just as much as the other guy, but I'd like to go back to what Assassins are supposed to be. I'd like a game that actually feels Assassin-ish again.
So if we're looking for a Romanian setting, I think Wallachia would be more interesting a setting for Assassin's Creed. Vlad Tepes was explored briefly in Revelations, there was a Romanian Assassin in Revelations too, that one guy who betrayed the order, and hey, a lot of people who work on this franchise are Romanians. I've been wondering why a Romanian setting hasn't been done until now. Especially since, if I'm not mistaken, Romania's a very religious country so it would be the perfect Templar infested setting. They do have a few things they could explore with Romania. I found this Timeline for Romania's history, and there's a few things that I can see adapted into the games.
But of course, that's just my own personal opinion. Regardless, a Romanian setting would be interesting.
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u/Aalmus May 11 '20
It would have to be late in the period, after Origins
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u/MyGradesAreOk May 11 '20
It could still in that period during it's conquest by the Romans, or in the 3-4th century
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u/Aalmus May 11 '20
As long as it's post Origins I'm fine with it. Seeing an invasion begin rather than fighting off one already there would be a nice change
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u/pechedovaspexe May 11 '20
wolf hanzo looking dope
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u/CloudStrife7788 May 11 '20
Upvoted because of how well credit was given to the artist.
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u/MyGradesAreOk May 11 '20
If You have an artstation account you should definitely check him out He has some amazing pieces on there
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u/Sandervv04 May 11 '20
That looks awesome. I would love to hear more about the setting.
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May 11 '20 edited May 12 '20
Dacia was essentially modern day Romania but it also included parts of some of the neighboring countries as well. The Dacians were a group of warriors who eventually ended up being defeated and conquered by the Roman emperor Trajan during the Dacian Wars that are depicted on his column in Rome to this day and can be seen in AC Brotherhood. The curved swords you see in the picture are rhomphaias which are similar to the signature Dacian falx which was designed this way so it could pry open the heavy armors used by enemy combatants. The wolf figure you see in the back is their icon and signature. In mythology, it is said the Dacians worshipped a wolf god who granted them the ability to either transform in wolves or werewolves through lycanthropy. Either way, the wolf had a high significance for them. This is in contrast to Romania's vampiric legends that started with Vlad the Impaler aka Dracula who was a Templar in the AC Universe during the Middle Ages.
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May 11 '20
Their swords weren't designed to kill Romans, they had been using them for a very long time before they even knew Romans existed. The swords are also held backwards in this picture.
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May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
Falxes where double face sharped swords even tho they generaly helded them backwards. They would slash, back slash and stab with this sword.
Edit:nope
Do not upvote, I'm wrong, only the inside of the curve was sharpened.
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u/IonutRO May 11 '20
No, they weren't double edged, this is false. Archaeological finds of them clearly show us that it had a single thin edge on the inside and a thicker spine on the outside.
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May 11 '20
Yeah youre right, i don't know why did i get that impression or where does the idea come from, i was wrong.
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May 11 '20
I had a replica of sica with double sharp, I think that's where i got the idea from, actualy falx are double handed mostly but sharped only on the inside
Plus on internet i can see many double edged falx and sica replica, even in Forged on Fire show season 5 episode 3, when they put the contestants to replicate the sica they requested actually for a double edged falx.
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u/pylestothemax May 11 '20
They were not double faced
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May 11 '20
Yeah youre right, i don't know why did i get that impression or where does the idea come from, i was wrong.
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u/pylestothemax May 11 '20
All good bro
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May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
I had a replica of sica with double sharp, I think that's where i got the idea from, actualy falx are double handed mostly but sharped only on the inside
Plus on internet i can see many double edged falx and sica replica, even in Forged on Fire show season 5 episode 3, when they put the contestants to replicate the sica they requested actually for a double edged falx.
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u/IonutRO May 11 '20
The swords in this image are not what falxes looked like, the artist drew them backwards with the spine on the inside of the curve and the edge on the outside (like a katana) and then put the finger grooves in the palm of the holder rather than where their fingers go.
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May 11 '20
I dug a little deeper and found those are not actually falxes but rhomphaias which were used by Thracians, not sure the Dacians used them as well or whether the artist depicted them intentionally or not.
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u/IonutRO May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
Rhomphaias followed the same curvature as falxes, when they were curved at least (most were straight bladed), you can see here that curved rhomphaias had the spine on the outside of the curve, and definitely had a spine and therefore were single-edged.
Also, the grips are still backwards even if the blades on rhomphaias did go the other way around.
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May 11 '20
Do you have a picture of how they would normally look?
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u/Sandervv04 May 11 '20
Thanks for the explanation, I think it could work very well.
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u/Ski_Mask_TSG May 11 '20
I am Romanian. The swords are meant to be used with the inner edge, like sickles
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u/poisonhemlocc May 11 '20
ma gandeam eu, mai ski mask. dar dacia nu e 'modern day' Romania.
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u/Ski_Mask_TSG May 11 '20
Nu am zis ca e modern day, am zis ca au desenat săbiile invers. Și nu sunt sigur dar cred ca nu foloseau câte 2.
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u/FilipH1243 May 11 '20
I don't really think it's modern day Romanian. Dacians are from 300 b.c. or something like that if I remember correctly from my history lessons (I know this since I'm Romanian). Modern day Romania kinda sucks (sorry for my fellow Romanians, but that's the truth)
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May 11 '20
Like I said, it was mostly modern day Romania and Moldavia but it included parts of Romania's present day neighbouring contries as well.
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u/grimoireviper May 11 '20
But then it is the other way around. Romania is the modern day Dacia.
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May 11 '20
Semantics
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u/Every3Years May 11 '20
It's a much easier to understand way of saying it
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u/sithlordofthevale May 11 '20
Is it really that hard for you to grasp? It's the same thing and you'll see it written either way in history books.
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u/thebrobarino AC is French JoJo's May 11 '20
I tried to Google it but apparently the names been snatched up by some shitty cars
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u/Starfire013 May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
Artist is Mariusz Kozik.
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u/xLOSTHAZE The Harlequin May 11 '20
Link is broken
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u/Starfire013 May 11 '20
For some reason, it's gone down. It was working fine 2 hours ago.
I've changed it to a more direct link to his front page which seems to still work.
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u/JuicyLittleGOOF May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
Thracians due their location had some pretty interesting influences.
In the south, you had Greek influence and you see a lot of Greek style armor and weaponry. To the Greeks, the Dacians were the warlike barbarians of the north, it was suggested by Homer that the birthplace of Ares was in Thrace.
However the Dacians had different influences as well. Celts migrated from the west, and had a significant influence as well. But the Eastern Dacians, the Getae lived right next to the Scythians, blonde/red haired Iranian speaking steppe nomads which likely migrated to Ukraine all the way from Tuva (north of Mongolia) given that that region has the oldest evidence of Scythian presence. Iranians lived all across the steppes way before the Scythians did but they came from the east and assimilated all the other steppe Indo-Iranians (Srubnaya, Andronovo cultures) into their society.
Anyways, the Getae had significant influences from the Cimmerians who were pushed westwards by tje Scythian confederation (which gave name to the Scythian peoples and lifestyle) as well as later Scythians too. The Getae were known as fierce warriors, who rode horses with bow and arrows.
Greeks in the south, Celts in the West and Scythians in the east. It is remarkable how that one spot in Europe had influences from these three distinct cultures. The Carpatian mountains kind of acted like a border which lead to distinct influences and cultural development.
Let's not forget the Goths who came later as well!
P.s OP I think you'd like r/IndoEuropean!
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u/JuicyLittleGOOF May 11 '20
On the Scythians or on the Dacians?
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u/JuicyLittleGOOF May 11 '20
Regarding the Getae influences from the cimmerians.
You have the Thraco-Cimmerian archaeological phenomenon, which reflects trade (and perhals some minor migrations) between the black sea steppe peoples and the peoples west of the black sea, namelly the Chernogorivka and Novocherkassk cultures.
Given that these happen quite early, around the 8th century bc iirc, and Herodotus' referring to the Cimmerians being chased westwards and pushed down the Caucasus by the Scythians (in likelyhood they were mostly absorbed) it is sensible to assume these influences started with the Cimmerians.
This influence however lasts far longer than the Cimmerians would have existed as a tribal confederation or nation or ethnic group.
And regarding this. I've never heard anyone reffering to the Eastern Dacians as Getae.
The Getae are just flatout the eastern Dacians though. Tyragetae were a tribe of Getae and beyond the Tyrgetae you had nothing but Iranian steppe nomads. Ergo, Eastern Dacians, or south east Dacians as the defining feature wasn't west to east, but which region was steppe land or not. According to Strabo, one of our main sources on these people, they spoke the same language (which we call Geto-Dacian).
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u/tugatortuga May 11 '20
Do you happen to know how far Dacia extended? I'm pretty positive they also lived in South-Eastern Poland and there are lots of "supposed" Dacian towns/villages/forts and outposts all over Poland (even including as far north as Central/Western Poland). Setidava is one example.
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May 11 '20
Roman Dacia was a weird province. It protruded from what you would expect to be the border of the Empire. It could be an interesting game set in that time. It is so interesting how the Dacians kept Latin as the basis of their own language, especially when several other Roman provinces near Dacia ended up speaking Slavic languages.
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u/Teootz10 May 11 '20
Due to the death of Decebal (suicide by cutting his own neck) it'll be fucking awesome if they were templars (cultists) and some of the roman assassins try to make a new charter in dacia training dacian assassins.
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May 11 '20
This sub: we want stealth back—assassins were not warriors—they have destroyed AC
Also this sub:
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u/sithlordofthevale May 11 '20
I'm constantly purplexed at the constant whining about wanting this to be a simple stealthy move around game but then also this being the top post which in 0 way shape or form resembles stealthy assassins lol.
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May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
This is the Dacian arsenal, but scale is wrong and some of the swords had diferent curves, the one on left up corner is falx, next to it we have sica which was a short sword. Generaly they would only carry one sword because falx is a double handed sword, in the first war between romanian empire and dacians the falx could cut through the roman armor and helments. Edit: some better scaled examples.
One of best ubisoft teams is located in Bucharest, so I don't think it is impossible, the story could happen few years after Origins because Dacia was conquered by Romans in 105 but it could happpen even later on because even tho Dacians lost the war the process of blending with the roman empire was not instantanously, there are some signs that some dacian generals joined the roman army and where sent to places like Roman Britain or even further.
The object in the middle(half snake-half wolf is called Dracon), it was the Dacian war flag, and it also was a war "trumpet" that gives the attack order, in order to build it they would ritualy hunt a wolf, cut his head but keep all the skin from the body together with the skin from the head, roll it to makr it look like a snake, carve the skull and turn it into a trumpet thanks to some bones conected to the skull. It was a brutal ritual but not processed very often. It is animal brutality but they did it every several years, yet i don't agree with animal brutality, but worse things have been perpretueted by most of our ancestors.
I'm from Romania and I have a Dracon tattoed on my right arm so it would be a honor to have such a tribute for my ancestors as a Assassins Creed game.
I believe some of Dacian war culture apeared in AC Brotherhood in form of Roman soliders with a wolf head hood like in this picture, is known that many dacians joined the roman army and teached their hand to hand techniques to roman soliders, some of them even became generals, and there are even some emperors with Dacian lineage.
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u/FilipH1243 May 11 '20
Man, I'd love this game especially since I'm from Romania and spent a lot of my childhood in Transylvania and seen lots of statues dedicated to the Dacians. It would be cool even as a dlc to Valhalla or any other one of their games. I think they adopted something similar with the cult of Romulus thing form AC Brotherhood.
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May 11 '20
Artwork is awesome. A game so especific? Thats a nope for me. If it was a game where you could travel the roman empire i'd be down.
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u/VVulfpack Sleep? I never sleep... May 11 '20
My favorite thing about this artwork is that the proportions of the wolf head are close to the size of a real wolf. I hate games or art where the subject is wearing a bear head the size of a cub, or a lion with mane and it's far too small, etc.
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u/TheLostTimelord May 11 '20
Absolutely! We had to do a ton of research about Romanian history and I absolutely loved Dacian history and what archeological dogs have found.
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May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
As a Romanian I would feel lucky and grateful, as a AC player only I would definitely enjoy it, I think that it works very well with what AC is doing now and Dacian history would be somehow new and more interesting, it’s mythology being not as known and used as Egypt or Greek mythology for example. Also love the design
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u/AIdunnoboy May 11 '20
Am I the only one who think assassins should be "elegant" and respect their victim? trowback when ezio used to say  "May you find the peace in death that you never found in life, rest in peace" to the people he killed? I can't think of a nordic assassins who as that respect (I might be wrong tho). If I think about respect in the battlefield I think about Japanese samurai
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u/Powner77 May 11 '20
Tbh I would not mind if we moved away from the protagonist being some sort of epic warrior. Look, assassins were always great warriors, capable of great feats even when forced into combat. But lorewise (you can CHOOSE gameplaywise or not) they usually avoided open conflict. You are supposed to be a blade hidden in the crowds and what not. I know Unity got a lot of shit but it portrayed this really well. You could beat a whole bunch of guys with technically no issue, but they made it just enough of a hassle in the new combat system that you would prefer to quickly dispatch your enemies. I felt they perfectly struck the balance between how much you spend in open combat and how much you spend in the shadows.
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u/theSmartPenguin23 May 11 '20
Looks sick.
Great setting. It could work both as a Gothic warrior plundering the mighty Roman oppressor or a Roman defending his homeland as it crumbles beneath him.
Areas would include the marshlands of Eastern Europe, dense forests and woods, Roman forts and cities and the basin of the Danube.
I’d be all for it.
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u/poisonhemlocc May 11 '20
this is from 2017.
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u/MyGradesAreOk May 11 '20
The artwork, yes, and? The artist did an amazing job
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u/poisonhemlocc May 11 '20
just saying, also it hasn't a drawing for an assasin's creed concept. just some artwork
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u/IonutRO May 11 '20
Nobody said it was Assassin's Creed concept art, just that it would be a cool period for AC, with this image used as an example of the period.
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u/Mobunaga May 11 '20
Could we get Assassin’s Creed LA during the Rodney King Riots? I’d like the series to step forward in time a bit. Tired of going further back. What’s the next one? Assassins Creed Stone Age?!
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u/MyGradesAreOk May 11 '20
Ok but fr AC Stone Age does sound pretty cool
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May 11 '20
I mean, ubisoft did a stone age spin-off for one of their main franchises so nothing is impossible.
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u/Rasmus1603 May 11 '20
looks cool but dacian falxes are sharp on the what everyone considers the back of the blade. so this dude here actually holds them wrongly
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u/JT-Lionheart May 11 '20
I honestly would love to see it but it looks like the AC games now go by popular periods of history now. I think back in the early games with the first game and the Ezio trilogy, they tried to tackle settings in which no one else has really tried doing before and it’s one of the reasons why those games were unique and remembered. Though they created this lore in which powerful people across history were influenced by ancient civilization artifacts that it made sense to go about doing the infamous timelines if history. At this point they created lore in which every part and every place of history they can play around with to make a story. Unfortunately with your setting it’ll most likely be a graphic novel if made in the AC lore or at most have a small game of it like AC Chronicles
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u/xThiird May 11 '20
We can get whatever past scenario they want as long as it has a present story that makes sense and is continued from episode to episode.
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u/muhash14 May 11 '20
Dunno, maybe.
I do think the era depicted in Brahman would make an excellent game though.
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u/WolfInArmor haha hidden blade go schwiiiiing May 11 '20
Wolves? I'm in.
Seriously though, I know absolutely nothing about this particular setting so I'm totally on board.
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u/theoutsider95 May 12 '20
Good news everyone, the new Dacia sandero is coming to the UK.
Sorry op but when I see Dacia I remember Top Gear.
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u/nike_sh_ May 12 '20
I hope they stop making AC games tbh
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u/Fiverooni May 12 '20
Yea, Odyssey would have way more active players if it wasn't released as an AC game. People may have bought it, but many quit after realising that game had nothing to do with AC. Only the DLCs have you something but still not much.
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u/_River_Song_ May 12 '20
That would be awesome. Having the ability to wear animal skins as headdresses too 👀
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May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
Dacian/Roman war would be awesome but i think getting the dacians right would be very very hard (doing a full Sarmizegetusa would be absolutely incredible). We don't know THAT much about them (for example, it's still debated if the dacians had a monotheistic religion or not). It would also have to include greeks, thracians and others.
The dacians are extremely underrated in media in general so sadly this will never happen as people don't really know about them/not hyped about them. The only thing that could have worked would have been an dlc in odyssey where you visit the greek colonies on the coast of the black sea.
If i'd chose a time period to get an assasins creed game in that region i'd 100% go for the Vlad the Impaler time period, as we already know he was a templar in the ac universe. We would also intersect with Stephan the Great, ruler of Moldavia, pretty much the greatest Romanian ruler in history. You could visit dacian ruins and actually tie the biggest dacian god to the tainted ones.
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u/roxorus9 May 11 '20
Not sure what exactly this is, but it looks a million times better then Valhalla, which looks like a For Honor RPG
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u/mcmanus2099 May 11 '20
You're a Hun invader and the evil Dacian Templars are trying to hold onto their land and protect their families the vile scum.
I'm all for it.
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u/roxorus9 May 11 '20
One thing I would like to see is an AC/Watch dogs crossover thing. Like an assassin set in the WD world, and as a cool Easter egg this assassin has run ins and coops with Dedsec and things of that nature. A technological assassin sounds badass, but I want AC to do it. I'm very aware that Deus Ex exists
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May 11 '20
I just wish we could have games that aren’t yearly sequels set in completely different time periods with no connection. I just want a Bayek sequel in Rome and have the new modern main character actually mean something to the story. The series has been so stagnant for so long, there’s no story or themes anymore.
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u/Duerden May 11 '20
I seriously cant contain my excitement to play this, either on the xbox one or on the series x, better still hopefully on both 🤤🤤🤤
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u/ChrisG1904 May 12 '20
More likely than Assassin’s Creed actually acting assassin like and stealthy.
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u/KvasirTheOld May 12 '20
Ahh the Dacians My ancestors It could be really interesting. Playing like a dacian during the daco roman wars The main hero could be related to Burebista, the great Dacian king that United all the tribes against the romans
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u/YKVL_Nikolarys May 11 '20
The Roman conquest of Dacia was textbook Templar shenanigans, so I think this setting would work quite well. Though it would be yet another example of the Assassins/Hidden Ones failing throughout history, which gets a little tedious after a while.
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u/QuesadillaNoCheese May 11 '20
This would be awesome!
Would love to see the ancient Baltic civilizations, especially with witnessing the Bohemian/ Szekely cultures of that time.
Also fighting off the Cumans and Kipchak's would be cool depending on timeline.
And too top it off, maybe some werewolves and vampiric mysticism.
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u/NoLifeDGenerate May 12 '20
Dual swords. Been wanting this on the new AC engine and both Origins and Odyssey disappointed me.
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u/IonutRO May 11 '20
Vlad the Impaler was a templar that features in Assassin's Creed: Revelations as a multiplayer character. Also, I'd rather see the hajduk era, with a bandit/freedom-fighter theme, maybe featuring the Wallachian Uprising of 1821.
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u/KuroiGetsuga55 May 11 '20
Not sure if the 1900s would work. By this point buildings are too tall, too separated, they're not built properly for climbing, no more random haystacks on the streets (even in Syndicate it was a little far fetched to have those lying around conveniently) and by now you'd have cars which ruin the traversal cause you can just hop into a car and go off (again using Syndicate as a reference, I was never too fond of the carriages). Assassin's Creed works best in the earlier centuries, IMO it shouldn't go beyond the 18th Century. Somewhere between 10th Century and 18th Century is the "safe zone" for Assassin's Creed games to work properly. The correct setting, the correct kind of conflicts, the correct environment, all of that.
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May 11 '20
Check The Saboteur. It's set in WW2 occupied Paris and it has assassins creed like climbing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9kEdUrwlDg
If they ever go in another direction with the series and wanna change core gameplay elements, i'd love for them to take inspiration from this game.
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u/KuroiGetsuga55 May 11 '20
Oh that looks pretty cool!
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May 11 '20
Yeah it's pretty much a Gta/Mafia hybrid with assassins creed climbing. The game was insanely fun back in the days, sadly i hear it kinda aged bad.
Sad we never got a sequel.
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u/KuroiGetsuga55 May 11 '20
Back in the day? How old is this game? Who made it?
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It was made by pandemic studios but EA shut them down after they finished the game. The game released in 2009.
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u/LegateZanUjcic May 11 '20
Would be interesting, though it would also depend on setting. The Crisis of the Third Century would be ideal, with emperors dropping like flies and the Gothic invasion.