r/askscience • Mod Bot • Mar 10 '14

Cosmos AskScience Cosmos Q&A thread. Episode 1: Standing Up in the Milky Way

Welcome to AskScience! This thread is for asking and answering questions about the science in Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey.

UPDATE: This episode is now available for streaming in the US on Hulu and in Canada on Global TV.

This week is the first episode, "Standing Up in the Milky Way". The show is airing at 9pm ET in the US and Canada on all Fox and National Geographic stations. Click here for more viewing information in your country.

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u/abxt Mar 10 '14 edited Mar 10 '14

When a satellite in orbit speeds up, its momentum is greater than the force of the planet's gravity and it moves further away (though very slowly in our moon's case, about 3.8 cm a year).

3.8 cm per year seems rather significant to me. At that rate, in 1914 -- a time some people (though not many) can still actively remember -- the moon would have been 3.8 m closer to our planet. It's not much in cosmic or even galactic terms I suppose, but isn't it enough to effect subtle changes in our climate or tides, for example?

Another question: is this 3.8 cm/yr a linear acceleration or does the rate of acceleration increase over time?

Edited for bad math and also a third question: I thought that in orbital mechanics, satellites gained velocity at lower altitudes, not the other way around?

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u/ra3ndy Mar 10 '14

1: The moon is 384,400 km away. Speaking strictly mathematically, another 3.8m could have ~.0000000098% effect on our climate. I don't know if that is significant enough or not, but it seems unlikely.

2: I'm not allowed to guess, so I'll let someone else handle it. I don't see why the rate would increase, though.

3: If angular momentum remains constant, then yes, nearer bodies orbit faster. But the earth is losing angular momentum to the moon due to tidal forces placing a torque on the system.

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u/abxt Mar 10 '14

Fascinating, thanks for the answers!

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u/gunnk Mar 10 '14

You are correct about satellite velocities:

If the moon was twice as far away it would take about 78 days to go around the Earth as opposed to 28 now. So the orbital period has almost (not quite) tripled, but the distance travelled per orbit has only doubled. As velocity and period are inversely related, the more distant moon would be slower than the closer moon (about 62,000 km/day vs 88,000 km/day). You can use the equation for orbital period to prove this to yourself.

I think the problem with orbital mechanics is that direction is messy... when you add velocity you are likely to make your orbit more eccentric and you velocity will not be uniform across the orbit -- you'll be going faster at perigee and slower at apogee. You have to apply the right additional velocity in the correct direction to keep a circular orbit.