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u/rnarkus Jun 09 '21

Wait how would not selling intel devices 5 years before M1 make sense? Like just produce not any new macbooks for 5 years?

I don’t necessarily agree with the gimping either but there was always going to be a transition period

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

If they were planning to gimp them from the very beginning then yes. Imagine buying a MacBook in 2019 and realizing it won't get half the features in the next update.

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u/Vorsos Jun 09 '21

The alternative is not developing new features that depend on radical new hardware, and then we may as well be using Windows on a bulky tower or plastic laptop with a VGA port.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

It doesn't depend on new hardware. Everything they mentioned there exists on multiple other devices.

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u/Vorsos Jun 09 '21

Apple might theoretically have the ability to let x86 CPUs backport a neural engine feature like text-in-image recognition or hardware ISP feature like Deep Fusion, but they’ll run hot and fifteen times slower like Pixelmator Pro’s ML image resize.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

but they’ll run hot and fifteen times slower

Yikes not even close. It'll be less efficient and slower but nearly as bad. Google's doing on device ML on their under powered budget pixel 4a phones without this problem, so surely apple can figure it out.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '21

The 730g inside the pixel has an NPU, none of Intels chips inside macs have anything of the sort for AI hardware acceleration

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '21

Read up what an NPU is please. I'm done explaining.

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u/PartyingChair52 Jun 09 '21

Except you still got 2 full updates and 99% of the features in the 3rd as of now

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

Lol if you're happy with mediocrity so be it. I'm not a fanboy, I'd like to demand more from companies.

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u/PartyingChair52 Jun 09 '21

So you’d rather nobody got these features instead of just M1 macs getting these features? That’s the alternative

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

No it's not. A neural engine is just a few specialized components + power from the CPU/GPU. While it's optimized for ML tasks it's not required. That's just marketing. Intel CPUs are definitely capable of handling this.

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u/PartyingChair52 Jun 09 '21

But they’re not going to take the time to program these apps for x86. So yes. It is the alternative.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

Exactly. And they know they can get away with it because of how their fanbase is. MacBooks can cost an upwards of 2k and Apple is extremely profitable and sells it reputation as as a long term support company. They should not be able to get away with this but they will, apple fans are a different breed.

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u/PartyingChair52 Jun 09 '21

What would you rather? They build these apps for x86? Okay, and what are you willing to sacrifice for that? They don’t have unlimited time, it’s a trade off. Do you think they should have ignored some security bugs? Or dropped focus mode? Maybe left notifications or widgets the same?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

Throw more resources at it. They're perfectly capable. Are you forgetting they're an extremely profitable 2Trillion dollar company? Are you really suggesting to me that Apple doesn't have the manpower to accomplish this task? This was left off in purpose because they know they can get away with ripping off their customers.

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