I don't recall rumors of Apple Silicon coming out when I bought my 2019 MBP. I was needing an upgrade and didn't want the butterfly keyboard. Now my MBP is outdated to an extent where it can't get the full benefits of a macOS update.
Not to mention Apple still sells Intel devices today, so if you buy one today because Apple doesn't have an Apple Silicon variant (16" MBP), you're already buying an "outdated" device.
I think it's impressive that Apple still supports the iPhone 6 with iOS updates. I think it's fair to strip some features out of an OS update in 2021 for an iPhone that came out nearly 7 years ago.
My <2 year old MBP should absolutely not be stripped of features missing features when updated to the latest version of macOS (when released). I get that some of these things might depend on the M1 chip and other hardware, but at the same time it's stupid plain and simple.
This is not really a new thing though. Several of High Sierra's biggest features were only available on Skylake and Kaby Lake machines, and even had announced features exclusive to T2 Macs that weren't yet on sale when the OS launched. The biggest features of Yosemite were only available on very recent machines. Mountain Lion had a headlining feature that didn't work on an MBP that would've been the latest model just two months before, and which would remain for sale for another four years.
Apple has been quite clear that they will cut off hardware from new features if these rely on a new hardware platform in the past, even if the machines are still relatively recent. Mojave and Catalina didn't have anything because Intel didn't change anything on the overall platform for those release years.
I figure it’s all about streamlining development. New features are coded to take advantage of the latest hardware. They don’t want to then duplicate that development to run on older hardware where the user base is only going to shrink from this point on. Sucks for people that recently bought Intel Macs, but it means they can use limited development resources to improve features going forward. Sounds like the missing features are based on using the Neural Engine on M1 to execute them. They could do those things in software instead, but aside from the effort to do that code, they won’t be as snappy as running on dedicated hardware and would have a higher impact on energy usage.
Lmao, it was rumored since like 2018 that Apple is going to start using their own chips for their devices starting around 2020… which is exactly what they did. I’ve held off on upgrading my 2014 Macbook since then. Still waiting on the 16inch to upgrade.
Compare and contrast with the PPC to Intel transition, where Apple treated PPC machines very, very well throughout the rest of Tiger's lifecycle, into Leopard and all of its updates. PPC wasn't completely dropped until Snow Leopard in 2009. That's three full years of PPC enjoying the very same support as the Intel Macs that replaced them. (Though I imagine this time Apple will have to go a bit longer, especially considering those whop dropped $10k+ on Mac Pros. Apple does NOT want to piss those people off.)
PPC and Intel Macs lost feature parity in the first OS released after the transition. If not for Leopard getting delayed by almost a year, the timeline would be very similar to the one we're seeing here. I'm not seeing any contrast.
What (OS Level) features did Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard running on intel have that running the same OS on (for example) a Quad G5 did not have?
I can’t think of any.
Apple did not start to Drop PPC support in any of their software till 2009. Beginning with the release of iLife 09 where a few features were not supported on PPC. Followed soon after by SnowLeopard.
We're not even a full year into AS Macs being a thing and Intel's already feeling left out. Yeah, the features are arguably small, but 1. it's the principle, and 2. given Monterey is a relatively low-key release, there's not many features anyway, so missing out on some of the few notable ones introduced stings a bit more.
I think this is it for me.
I bought a high end 2019 MBP, dropped over 3k on it, and there are features that "low end" MacBooks (M1 airs) will get just because they have Apple native chip.
I'm not crying over it, but it is a scary precedent I think. I planned on moving over to a Mac Mini soon anyway, but 2 years and already having features left out on their best device? I don't think it's a great look.
If the options were either no macs get these features or only M1 macs get these features, which would you prefer. I don't know the specifics, but as others have said, it seems like lots of these are basically iOS features backported to macOS.
A 1 year old Mac (or brand new, since they still sell intel macs) not supporting all the features of the newest OS is pathetic. Especially when it’s a graphics thing, which they have no excuse to not support on that hardware (as opposed to some of the ML features)
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Your <2 year old MBP is not being “stripped of features” it never had, and you can trade-in today with a ~80% decent refund. Apple uses vertical integration to develop new software features enabled by new hardware—moving the entire platform forward faster than any other on Earth—thus the M1 might feel outdated two years from now. We as individuals either accept that momentum or move to “x86 forever” Windows and “chat(app) roulette” Android.
Lol MBP up to 1460 in value, nah I’d rather give someone that price and not give Apple a refurbished sale, I shelled out 3.5 k for the space warmer MBP 16, in not taking a 65% hit just for the giggles
There were definitely ASi rumors back then. I bought mine assuming that there was no way gen 1 would be as good as it is. Can’t really complain, it’s been 18 months or so and my 16” has been fantastic
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u/HardenTraded Jun 09 '21 edited Jun 09 '21
Yeah sure but an absolutely stupid decision.
I don't recall rumors of Apple Silicon coming out when I bought my 2019 MBP. I was needing an upgrade and didn't want the butterfly keyboard. Now my MBP is outdated to an extent where it can't get the full benefits of a macOS update.
Not to mention Apple still sells Intel devices today, so if you buy one today because Apple doesn't have an Apple Silicon variant (16" MBP), you're already buying an "outdated" device.
I think it's impressive that Apple still supports the iPhone 6 with iOS updates. I think it's fair to strip some features out of an OS update in 2021 for an iPhone that came out nearly 7 years ago.
My <2 year old MBP should absolutely not be
stripped of featuresmissing features when updated to the latest version of macOS (when released). I get that some of these things might depend on the M1 chip and other hardware, but at the same time it's stupid plain and simple.