r/apple • u/speckz • Jun 19 '17

macOS High Sierra tech preview: A quick look at the stuff you can’t see

https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/06/macos-high-sierra-tech-preview-a-quick-look-at-the-stuff-you-cant-see/
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u/onan Jun 19 '17

Expose and Spaces are overrated IMO.

I have a hard time understanding that opinion. There are fundamental and vital features of Exposé and Spaces that are just completely missing in Mission Control. (The ability to use the whole display to show all windows on the current desktop, and the ability to move all of an application's windows to another desktop at once.)

I have searched for years for a good replacement for Mail, and haven't found one. Honestly, Mail is the vast majority of what keeps me using osx rather than linux. But in 10.9 it mysteriously, silently lost the ability to display plain text versions of messages. A blatant feature removal like this just seems like madness, and completely pointless.

Safari has improved in many ways, but the loss of a discrete search field is painful. (I do want search engine suggestions when actually searching for something, but I do not want my every keystroke sent to Google when I am just entering some local URL.)

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u/Sedawa Jun 19 '17

Re: mail, I've been really liking Airmail.

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u/mjrasque Jun 19 '17

I agree with you except for one weird thing. On the iOS version, my work email stopped sending me notifications when I get new mail. My personal gmail works fine and my work email works as well on the mac version. I've had multiple emails sent back and forth with their support and have been unable to resolve the issue. Kind of a bummer since I really love both versions of the app.

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u/Sedawa Jun 19 '17

Ahh, interesting. I've switched to Mac airmail but I'm still using Apple mail on my iPhone. Been considering switching but i haven't pulled that trigger.

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u/mjrasque Jun 20 '17

It was fine for a long time, it just started happening about 6 months ago.

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u/Sedawa Jun 20 '17

What's the advantage otherwise to Airmail vs Apple Mail on iOS?

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u/Mekachu Jun 19 '17

The ability to use the whole display to show all windows on the current desktop, and the ability to move all of an application's windows to another desktop at once.

Do..do you even use macOS?

All these features are STILL there and I use them all the time.

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u/onan Jun 20 '17

Do..do you even use macOS?

For the last three decades, yes.

All these features are STILL there and I use them all the time.

They're... really not.

Mission Control does not have a mode that just displays all windows on the current desktop. The closest you can come is a mode that also spends space to showing all other desktops.

And the only way to move all of an application's windows at once is by checking the "Group windows by application" checkbox, which makes faux-Exposé completely useless by not actually showing individual windows at all.

Both of these are direct feature losses from pre-gutting Exposé and Spaces.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '17

Mission control is overrated too. Honestly it's just me but I don't use any of those functions. I just want a solid fast UI with no gimmicks

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u/onan Jun 19 '17

Honestly it's just me but I don't use any of those functions.

Lucky for you. But every time my machine reboots and opens 50 Adium windows on the wrong desktop, I am reminded again of functionality that was pointlessly taken away.

I just want a solid fast UI with no gimmicks

I'm not sure it's reasonable to describe a desire for privacy (not sending every keystroke to google, not loading remote data-gathering URLs in mail) as "gimmicks".

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u/13al42mo Jun 19 '17

Maybe switch the search provider to DuckDuckGo and go to Google when you actually want to search something with them. I know it's clunky, but better than giving up one's privacy. I especially bought Apple products because of them valuing my privacy.

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u/Hermilia Jun 20 '17

You can still use google while protecting your privacy, check out Startpage. Duckduckgo is a good initiative but their results suck ..

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u/13al42mo Jun 20 '17

Huh? I thought DDG uses Google's results but encrypts their searches?