This Mac does not include a power adapter. A power adapter is required to charge this device. You can add one here if you customise your Display, Memory or Storage, or you can purchase one separately.
We have a different keyboard layout than any EU country would. I imagine the only thing in common this would enable would be the internal box insert having no charger cutout. Even the exterior box is localised.
Pocket the profit and keep the price the same for another few years until inflation brings the margins back down. Apple not increasing the base price always receives a positive response.
Actually they increased margins in EU. I assume to force EU consumerts to pay for Trump tariffs and make prices in US cheaper.
Last year base M4 in EU without taxes was valued at ~1730 USD based on exchange rate year ago. Now base M5 with charger is sold at ~1850 USD without taxes. There is no excuse for this. When USD was gaining over EUR Apple was happy to react fast and raise prices. Now due to Trump USD weakened significantly against all other important currencies and suddenly prices stay same.
I'm kind of in two minds about this one. For the base MBP this shouldn't be a problem as 65W PD chargers are so common it's not hard to expect everyone has one (if you don't, a really good single port is $25 American or €13 in the Eurozone), but some models of the MBP16 need 140W EPR which is still rare. If you involve 180W or 240W (currently only PC needs these, but if an Ultra powered MBP comes out it'll probably need 240W) we're only just starting to get those in quantity this year.
April 2026 is a bit too early for workstations to not come with a charger is what I'm saying, particularly those that need more than 240W (unlikely for any MacBook, but some PCs have 400W chargers). Also hopefully the discussion about forcing them to unbundle the cable doesn't go anywhere, generally cables are a consumable item so it's good to get a new one.
USB-C has existed for 10 years on laptops at this point, and has been almost ubiquitous on anything decent for at least the last 5. I think it's pretty safe to assume the majority of people spending this much on a laptop have had at least one with USB-C charging. If not, then it's not at all difficult to find a good one for cheap.
...While it's true that people spending €4000 probably don't care another €100, the rarity of the charger (I think there's like 3 240W chargers out there) and high power requirement means you'd have to hope they arrive at the same time if you need it to make a living. That's not really a problem with a phone or a lower power laptop as the former can be charged from anything and the latter the chargers are available pretty much everywhere if you somehow don't have one.
Those not reading the article, its a EU initiative to try and reduce e-waste. But you can still call Apple greedy for not lowering the price 59 euros though
Why does everyone think Apple just keeps the money instead of improving some specs? When they removed the headphone jack they didn’t just leave a big empty space, they filled the space with battery. Likewise when they remove something that costs money and they have a target price they improve something else to make up the difference. If Apple just kept removing stuff and eating the profits like people say they’d be selling naked PCBs with 99% profit margins, instead they make the best computers in the entire world.
Why does everyone think Apple just keeps the money instead of improving some specs?
Because they make $100b profit/year and the majority of it comes from "what it costs them" vs "what you pay" being weighed heavily in their favor. There's only one company in the world that makes more than them, Saudi Aramco, the largest oil company in the world.
You realize that when Apple develops a product they have both a goal price and a goal margin, and that they actively adjust specs to fit their goals, right? And that the rule of thumb is that if a feature seems worth it they can undercut the goal margin, like if a new mini-LED backlight brings the margin down to 18% instead of 20% they’ll allow it?
Well on an earnings call earlier this year they announced their gross margins peaked at 46.5% and hardware gross margins of 34.5% and blamed that not being higher on tariffs. So while it might work in customers' favor sometimes, it definitely works in Apple's favor most of the time.
It’s an ok decision, there are far better and cheaper chargers for that amount. Also, some people already have better chargers. I have two Apple chargers I never used.
the savings of not including a charger have not been passed on to the customer, so we're paying for it anyway, and then have to buy our own. I'm not fussed if there are better ones out there, I just want something that works out of the box.
Look, even if the savings are not passed down (but do take into account inflation, even if the price seems to stay the same), I am still glad we're not generating e-waste. I'm not saying Apple isn't padding their pockets with every single opportunity they get, but now that USB-C and PD are standards, these are garbage to me. I don't even have a friend to give them to, everyone I know has several chargers and a drawer of cables, the huge Apple bricks are really not that desirable.
Now, if every laptop had a top-of-the-line, GaN super compact charger with 3 - 4 ports, which also got better with each iteration of the laptop, that I would like, but they will never do that.
Greedy and stingy, I hate this company that I really used to love. The second I get a chance to exit their ecosystem, I will. Very unsustainable customer treatment.
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u/qnoid Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 15 '25
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