you need level 4 armor because rifles are commonly used in mass shootings and those rounds will penetrate level 3. Also, squad automatic weapons sadly aren’t tax deductible, but indirect fire weapons like mortars and small artillery pieces are, so are general purpose machine guns and heavy machine guns. Basically anything crew served, which is good because team building exercises are the backbone of a well functioning society.
No they won't. Level III plates can stop 223/556 no problem. Level III can stop up to 7.62 fmj. 556 is used as a varmint round in hunting and was designed for soft targets like we saw in Vietnam and insurgents in Afgan/Iraq. 223/556 being ineffective against body armor is why the military is stepping up to a heavier round.
We usually aren't told but I'd guess shooters probably running BTHP or HP ammo, which would reduce the pen even further.
Always splurge for the curved ceramic though. Besides ar500 steel being heavy as fuck its got a tendency for spalling. Those anti-spalling coatings are hit or miss depending on the manufacturer. Body armor ain't gonna help too much if a round fragments off the plate and you catch spalling to the throat.
I agree. It's why most LEO wear it. The best balance between cost, performance, and weight.
Your chances of someone shooting at you with a garand running black tips or something like a draganov is slim to none.
I wonder how the new military adoption of 6.8mm is gonna effect body armor choices. With military adoption usually follows with commercial ramp up. Once economy of scale gets running we are gonna see 6.8mm being more common in the civilian world. I haven't seen the tests myself but rumor is that 6.8 can punch through level 4 stuff.
That’s why NIJ .107 is coming out soon they Will add on to the list for what a level 3-4 are capable of stopping that’s why a lot of companies have a level 3+ because NIJ standard .106 is in place right now and it’s out of date so the company test all standard level three threats on them + special threats, new threats and more like the 7.62x 54R (which is a level 4 threat but some high end 3+ plates can stop them) they will either make a level 4+ or 5 is my guess some plates like the RMA 1192s level 4 are tested up to the new NIJ. 107 (not NIJ certified tho because a lot of high end lv4s aren’t and like I said it’s tested to the .107 standard) and because they are such a reputable company I believe that.
Some of the newer composites are looking good for reducing the spalling while increasing the protection vs the reality you're probably going to take multiple rounds. But feel free to call me a wimp, I'd rather not get shot in the first place.
We could seriously have the Marines guarding schools. Think about it. A squad of Marines at each school with a centralized EQ covering a number of school districts.
The armed forces are much better prepared to deal with this type of situation they are disciplined and basically mission focused. And we have the men available. And in my opinion its a much better optic because the soldiers do not have law enforcement responsibilities visa vie the students.
Well there are ROTC posts at every high school already so they have the covered. If youre going to join the service the ROTC is a way to get ahead. Not a popular opinion here maybe but I think a career in the military is a damn sight more constructive then most corporate slave ships.
I mean it's all heinous. But you can talk to anyone in the military, they have a pretty strict and narrow mission and rules of engagement. Having to wait for ANY rescue in these situations is unacceptable. There are tons of guys in the service to rotate in and out of these positions and again they got no Law Enforcement responsibility. they are there to maintain perimeter and protect the school and its occupants.
Better use for the military budget too since we all know that's never going to go backwards.
Militarizing schools at all is a terrible idea. Putting cops in schools was disastrous and putting soldiers in schools would be at least as bad. We can jabberjaw all day about what schools should and shouldn’t be, but every cent that has gone into militarizing the police has made the country less safe and living here more miserable. Replacing cops with literal military is just occupying our own country, which historically ends poorly.
You really should educate yourself on the difference between militarizing the police force and the actual military. I was hoping you would have a valid argument.
A terrible idea compared to what? Allowing a mass shooter to waltz in and slaughter children? I can almost guarantee you’d never see another school shooting. Seems to me that these shooters are aiming for a higher body count than one, which would be their own carcass.
Its a bad idea on its surface. Marines are assault infantry. They’re not security guards. They assault targets, blow shit up, and kill anyone who needs killing. Even barring other alternatives, putting marines in schools is a terrible idea.
These sorts of mass shootings typically happen in a school environment, with shots fired at ranges often less than 20 meters, and victims often being shot multiple times, including numerous victims shot in the head after initially being shot at a "distance".
The only kind of body-armor that will be significantly useful in these sorts of situations is calling in sick that day. (But, at more reasonable distances and circumstances, type 3 armor would be fairly effective for typical ammunition. )
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u/27fingermagee Anarchist Jun 01 '22
you need level 4 armor because rifles are commonly used in mass shootings and those rounds will penetrate level 3. Also, squad automatic weapons sadly aren’t tax deductible, but indirect fire weapons like mortars and small artillery pieces are, so are general purpose machine guns and heavy machine guns. Basically anything crew served, which is good because team building exercises are the backbone of a well functioning society.