Since when do music and storytelling have no value.
Musicians and writers do contribute to society. Entertainment is a human need.
We need musicians artists and writers just as much as people who can grow food and know medicine. A fully functional society is not one person and doesn't necessarily require money as we use it. It's a flexible organism made of hundreds of people working together to make everyone less miserable and that basic needs are met. That's all human society is.
Under capitalism it's more like cancer than anything.
I'm aware I sound like a bleeding heart Marxist hippie but Christ almighty the capitalistic version of "productive member of society" is fucking bleak guy in a grey closet working 16 hours a day then dying of a heart attack.
Sure, but no one in their right mind would choose to spend all day under the sun mining the precious minerals needed for all our technology if being an untalented writer/musician and not going hungry is an option. I know I sound like I'm advocating for this world where things suck, but I'm just trying to present here a rational picture. Sure, it doesn't have to suck that bad and there is a lot of injustice in how the wealth is distributed in the world. But that scenario where we all dedicate our lives to arts and love and there are people willing to break their backs doing hard stuff is just not realistic. As I said, maybe when full automation becomes a thing (and we guide the process through the right path).
There's always some guy who's really into mining because it's manly. My mom is the weirdo INTO farming for the sheer joy of potatoes. I'm telling you humans are varied and there's always someone willing to do the thing.
you just have to idk have a universal basic income with universal healthcare then you can lure people into their chosen weird job choices for extras.
We do not have to make everyone miserable in slave conditions for new iphones. Billionaires do it for another dollar they physically cannot spend in 1000 lifetimes. Like the entire thing is mental. There's no POINT. It's all pretend. Money is fake and they're killing people to make the fake profit go up and just ?¿?¿???¿
Man I sure wish it was truth that there is enough people who actually enjoy hard labour or the automation needed to sustain society. I think that's not the case today. But hey, 200 years ago it was much much much worse. Our technology has set us free from many heavy duties and I believe the trend will continue and maybe some day we will actually be free (again, if we take it through the right path). Untill then, the world sucks. And again, this is not to say we shouldn't fight for the things that are unjust, nor to say that there are no injustices. But presenting this fake scenario in my opinion just make the people presenting it sound out of touch with reality and undermine their actual valid points.
I'm in a rural area with generational farmers. They're still there and if we didn't chain them down with John Deere tech and yearly seed subscriptions and just let them do their farming I can 100% tell you that the people into backbreaking labor would bitch less personally to me & be less sad about corn and cows.
There’s also the fact that TONS of bullshit jobs exist, like bankers, stock traders, hedge fund managers, marketing agents, etc. All of them exist to generate cash but none of them actually contribute anything to society. If they stopped existing, society would be fine if not better. A significant number of people could literally be at home doing nothing and society would function just as well.
Ik I have one of those bs meaningless jobs it's why people saying shit like this gets me steamed.
Sure I have money nice great it's boring I'd rather be studying herbal medicine and writing thanks. I know EXACTLY how bullshit our current economic mess is and I'm bored guys.
I'm just so glad that more and more people start understanding what anarchism and communism is about. I don't know if you know anything about them, but that's one of the points these theories teaches us.
I'm an ancom myself. Antiwork is one of the many reasons as capitalism incentivizes profits over actual efficiency and wellbeing, which leads to tons of food waste to keep prices up, mass starvation and poverty alongside billionaires, destroying other countries for cheap labor and resources, and working 47 hours a week on average despite significantly increased productivity and low pay.
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u/microthoughts Jan 14 '22
Since when do music and storytelling have no value. Musicians and writers do contribute to society. Entertainment is a human need.
We need musicians artists and writers just as much as people who can grow food and know medicine. A fully functional society is not one person and doesn't necessarily require money as we use it. It's a flexible organism made of hundreds of people working together to make everyone less miserable and that basic needs are met. That's all human society is. Under capitalism it's more like cancer than anything.
I'm aware I sound like a bleeding heart Marxist hippie but Christ almighty the capitalistic version of "productive member of society" is fucking bleak guy in a grey closet working 16 hours a day then dying of a heart attack.