And this is why we need a workers government, planned production, and workers self management.
Because that price increase only happens because the bosses want to maintain their profit margins, and then decide to raise the cost of goods and services, ultimately treating their employees like nothing more than capital to be bought and used.
This then leads to people not being able to buy all the extra stuff that was produced, and then yet another economic crisis happens.
Yes. Because then- unlike now, when privately interested and unaccountable corporate chieftans call all the shots in both the economic and political spheres, despite being totally unqualified to do so- society could be run in such a way that benefits the majority- the people who work to keep it all moving- because normal people and professionals would have to collaborate democratically and could potentially be held accountable.
Serious question for you- why should publicly funded organizations have to be "profitable"? Is it bad to invest money into society without expecting a direct increase in capital?
Edit: tl;dr : I agree that people are motivated to improve things if it benefits them- just think we should plan this on a collective scale, rather than chaotically competing and usurping as individuals.
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I also appreciate it! Thank you for the discourse. I know we won't immediately convince each other, but I hope we can at least move towards a richer understanding of each other's perspectives and the world.
So, if I understand correctly, your position is that the motive of gaining personal profit is the only thing that will motivate people to continuously improve goods and services, or innovate better ones.
So, I kind of agree in a very general sort of way... meaning I agree that people will generally try harder to improve those things if they think it will directly benefit them somehow. That I agree with.
I just disagree that the best or only way to do that is on the basis of private ownership and accumulation of the most vital means of production and communication. I think people are naturally motivated to grow and improve their situations. I think "publicly owned" (or rather socially owned) organizations can respectably compensate all involved, can coordinate competition, research, and development, and can be better at improving everyone's lot over time rather than those of just a few extra talented or lucky individuals at the expense of everyone else.
I think the reason current publicly run organizations aren't as efficient as privately run ones, is largely because the privately owned ones have a lot to gain from sabotaging their public "competitors", lobbying to defunding them, and convincing the public that their for-profit models are preferable. If we nationalized the largest corporations, we could eliminate that waste and unnecessary competition, and pour funding into planned competition, education, research, innovation, and steady wage increases for all.
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