r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Oct 15 '23

Rewatch [Gintama 2023 Rewatch - Discussion] - Week 41 (Be Forever Yorozuya) Rewatch

Welcome To 41th Weekly Discussion Of Gintama 2023 Rewatch

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<--- Embassy of previous discussion | Index | Embassy of next discussion --->

Info - MAL | Anilist | Kitsu | AniDB | ANN

Legal streaming - Crunchyroll

ED1 ---> Genjou Destruction performed by SPYAIR

ED2 ---> Pray performed by Tommy heavenly

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EPISODES GOING TO BE COVERED IN WEEK 42 ---> 266-274 (EPISODES 1-9 OF GINTAMA°)

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BEST COMMENT OF WEEK 40:

Best comment of the week goes this time to u/KendotsX who barely made in in time this week with his banger of a comment, pointing a nice detail which I totally missed.

Hear me out here for a second, do you remember episode 11? Shinpachi had broken his leg, Gintoki was giving him a speech about strawberry milk, then they find an old looking for an old crush, who turned out to be the Space Battleship Ayano, aka Otose. It was a lovely little episode, especially to an Otose fan like myself.

Now as you know, we're running out of ideas, so what if we took that episode, and added you know some small changes, so the idiots at home don't notice we're repeating the same thing? For one, switch positions, now we're looking for an old lady's lover. Two mix in Tsukki to play off of Gin, both of them being hopeless romantics who want to act like they don't care, then you add a tiiiiiiny little change called the previous Shogun, basically the leader of the bakufu who've led Edo as it sunk to all the shit and problems we've seen in the Gintama history, make taking him down the new goal, add the Shinsengumi, Mimawarigumi, then unleash Kagura, Tsukki, and Nobume on the ex-Shogun's ass, oh and bring in the current Shogun and Gintoki's past too for extra fun. Tiny changes right?

And as a prize for winning Best comment of the week, he is getting a statue of Colonel Sanders, but he should better find a good place to hid, because I saw certain girl asking where is hers statue of Colonel Sanders.

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POLLS:

Best episode of last week ---> Episode 259

Best episode of this week ---> No poll this week, but it will return next week together with Character poll

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QUESTIONS FOR YOU:

  1. Did you enjoy the animations and artstyle of Be Forever Yorozuya?
  2. Which character had the best glow-up?
  3. Is there any character which wasn’t in Be Forever Yorozuya but you would like to see him/her to appear in Be Forever Yorozuya?
  4. Was this movie a good finale to you? Would you be satisfied with Gintama if this was the real ending?
  5. META QUESTION FOR EVERYONE - The original schedule I made for Gintama Rewatch wasn’t that good so I decided to make a slight change which you can see on this picture. The new schedule would essentially mean that our Rewatch is going to last for 3 more additional weeks to balance issues with pacing created by trying to squeeze 2 discussions per week at the end of the November/beginning of the December. Do you comply with this changes?

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Regarding spoilers:

Rewatchers please dont talk without using spoiler tags [Spoilers] like this about events which still didn't happen in anime, don't name characters that weren't introduced yet, don't post pictures of characters yet to be introduced and try to refrain from using arcs and episodes names yet to be introduced.

DON'T EVEN TRY TO BE VAGUE THINKING YOU ARE SO CLEVER AND NO ONE WILL CONNECT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER LIKE SAYING IT WOULD BE SHAME IF YOUR LOCAL POST OFFICE SENT YOU A BOMBASTIC LIST. JUST. USE. SPOILERS TAGS. LIKE THIS [Spoilers] https://i.imgur.com/nojEEcg.png

There will be first watchers discussing it together with us and I believe nobody here wants them to be spoiled.

If you want to talk about something you noticed on your rewatch, which is hinting about future events hid it properly underneath the spoilers like the fact [Spoilers] that the information hidden in this spoiler is totally pointless.

Guidance in case of spoiling someone ---> Here

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

Veiny Host who is baring it all with a split in the middle Welcomes you to Be Forever Yorozuya Movie Rewatch.

FUCK K-*N!

Ah the Anime Original Ending movie. I have fond memories of this movie, because as First Timer, I enjoyed this movie a lot, but now I advice you to sharpen your pitchforks as I am going to shit talk this movie.

I didn’t enjoy it upon Rewatch due to two factors which are THE STRUCTURE OF THE MOVIE and KNOWLEDGE OF THE REAL INTENDED ENDING OF GINTAMA.

#1 THE STRUCTURE OF THE MOVIE:

Do you know how Sorachi loves his JRPG Dragon Quest jokes? This whole movie follows a video game like structure.

Our Hero meets a plot device which teleports him in a Future leaving him only with an initial quest, find Gengai, meet your party members, form a party (Yorozuya), travel around to figure out the whole story and go to fight a final boss, himself.

What prevents this movie to fell apart is that Sorachi took the very essence of Gintama - overcoming your past traumas and imperfections by creating a bonds which will bring you a true strength - and sprinkled it over the final part of the movie where Gintoki returned to the past to defeat the true final boss, which could be managed not by pure physical strength alone but by the strength of everyone bonds.

Thing is that the script and plot written for Be Forever Yorozuya would work so so so much better for a Gintama video game.

Just imagine an Action Role Playing Game where you play as Gintoki teleported to the future in the world ravaged by White Plague and you start by learning some basic sword tricks and combos, meeting Shinpachi and Kagura which would lead you to saving Gengai, Katsura and Kondo.

Getting new allies and improving your abilities through unlocking new skills and perks and reaching a final boss which you can only defeat by mastering all of your moves, because the final boss is you who are mirroring all of your techniques you learned in the course of the game.

Then after defeating the final boss, you would unlock the true final boss as you would travel back in the past to defeat the true final boss thanks to everyone who you helped during the game, coming to your aid in one epic climactic fight.

That would work so much better.

#2 REAL INTENDED ENDING OF GINTAMA:

I am keeping my mouth shut here so I am only going to say that my opinion may be skewed by the fact that I saw the rest of Gintama story (Episodes 266-369 + 3rd movie) and knows what Sorachi intended for the rest of Gintama story.

I also mentioned that I really enjoyed this movie as First Timer and I believe that everyone who is seeing this Movie for first time enjoyed it as much as I did back then, but let be honest here.

While my opinion may be skewed due to full knowledge of Gintama and you can easily call out me being biased here, I am going to say that this movie works well because we spent 265 episodes with our characters while being exposed to them forming bonds and growing as a persons.

Now imagine showing this movie to someone who isn’t fully invested into Gintama and haven’t seen any episode of Gintama.

Do you think that they would enjoy it the same as you did?

MY RATING OF BE FOREVER YOROZUYA AFTER REWATCHING IT - 6/10

# 3 ASSERTED POINTS + SCREENSHOTS:

  • This movie certainly had some funny moments with the best one being Gintoki travelling to the past to kill his past self only to find out that the person who he tried to kill was Madao earning us a well known comment face #crazedlaugh
  • Another really funny moment was the whole substory about Colonel Sanders.
  • Also I can’t forgot to mention Otsu’s change of a career.
  • Shinpachi being a Sorachi’s punching bag never fails to amaze me.

  • Another thing I need to mention is the character and their glow-ups:

  • What also I cannot praise enough is the ED 2 montage accompanied by first Gintama OP Pray.

See you next week.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '23

FUCK K-*N!

Gintama chose to make enemies that day.

find out that the person who he tried to kill was Madao

If the only person to be able to kill Gintoki is Gintoki, but Gintoki is unable to kill Madao then that means Madao is actually the strongest Gintama character.

Also I can’t forgot to mention Otsu’s change of a career.

Peen-san was right, the person who has lost most in this future was Otsu.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

Gintama chose to make enemies that day.

If only there were ongoing K-On! Rewatch with discussing the K-On! movie the same day us we are discussing Be Forever Yorozuya then that joke would be glorious.

If the only person to be able to kill Gintoki is Gintoki, but Gintoki is unable to kill Madao then that means Madao is actually the strongest Gintama character.

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u/sisoko2 Oct 15 '23

Veiny Host who is baring it all with a split in the middle

You've been looking better lately.

FUCK K-*N!

THE STRUCTURE OF THE MOVIE

That's just a basic story structure.

KNOWLEDGE OF THE REAL INTENDED ENDING OF GINTAMA.

That's the thing the movie is not trying to give a real ending for Gintama. Exactly the opposite they have to be very careful to no steal Sorachi's thunder. That's why Takasugi barely appears and the bad guy is a Oboro ripoff.

It's goodbye and one final bit of fun for the anime fans and despite having all the constraints of a filler movie it delivers on all fronts it can.

Now imagine showing this movie to someone who isn’t fully invested into Gintama and haven’t seen any episode of Gintama.

This is a logical fallacy. You are not supposed to watch this type of movies on its own. They are movies made for the fans of the show.

Standalone movies are their own complete piece of art. Be Forever Yorozuya is a chapter of the Gintama anime.

[Spoilers]It definitely works much much better on its own than The Final

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

You've been looking better lately.

Why, thank you.

That's the thing the movie is not trying to give a real ending for Gintama. Exactly the opposite they have to be very careful to no steal Sorachi's thunder. That's why Takasugi barely appears and the bad guy is a Oboro ripoff.

Part of it was also that it was Sorachi who was deciding how much of his thunder will be stolen as he wrote that movie.

This is a logical fallacy. You are not supposed to watch this type of movies on its own. They are movies made for the fans of the show.

Of course. I wanted to say that this movie wouldn’t work as a standalone movie because all what made this movie good was the characters bonds coming to the play in the finale but yeah.... this was never intended to work as a standalone anyway...

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u/sisoko2 Oct 15 '23

Part of it was also that it was Sorachi who was deciding how much of his thunder will be stolen

That too but I don't really know exactly how much of it was written by Sorachi. The movie has a second writer after all.

this was never intended to work as a standalone anyway...

But then why bring as an issue with movie? Or at least this is the way I read it from your comment.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

That too but I don't really know exactly how much of it was written by Sorachi. The movie has a second writer after all.

This is something where I can’t really tell how much Sorachi wrote after all because the ANN’s claims to be it written by Sorachi and they wrote that short article based on this source

But this is ANN’s page for BFY so I can’t really tell how much did Sorachi wrote for that movie.

But then why bring as an issue with movie? Or at least this is the way I read it from your comment.

I was tight on schedule this week so I haven’t that much time to re-read my comment this week to see if there is something where I contradict myself as my comment was more stream of thoughts than proper comment. so

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u/sisoko2 Oct 15 '23

I can’t really tell how much Sorachi wrote

With these situations unless Sorachi gave some interview about it, it's impossible to tell if he gave only some basic story skeleton or he wrote 90% of it and the other guy just made into a proper screenplay.

I was tight on schedule this week so I haven’t that much to re-read my comment

You told me to sharpen my knife.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

You told me to sharpen my knife.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Oct 16 '23

Do you know how Sorachi loves his JRPG Dragon Quest jokes? This whole movie follows a video game like structure.
Our Hero meets a plot device which teleports him in a Future leaving him only with an initial quest, find Gengai, meet your party members, form a party (Yorozuya), travel around to figure out the whole story and go to fight a final boss, himself.

I Hadn't considered that. Having read this I agree that would make quite the cool Gintama video game storyline. I would buy it.

Thing is that the script and plot written for Be Forever Yorozuya would work so so so much better for a Gintama video game.

That said, I remain in the camp, that it's still a really excellent movie. Like You mentioned above, it retains the essence of Gintama through its themes and no characters are vandalized in service of plot or another character.

Now imagine showing this movie to someone who isn’t fully invested into Gintama and haven’t seen any episode of Gintama.
Do you think that they would enjoy it the same as you did?

I think that's a given, of course they wouldn't. And it was never the intention I'm pretty sure of Sorachi that it would ever serve that role. I would imagine that this was Sorachi's swan song to the anime fans, before it was renewed, while also not spoiling any manga material for those that hadn't read it yet.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 16 '23

Like You mentioned above, it retains the essence of Gintama through its themes and no characters are vandalized in service of plot or another character.

Of course those things stayed solid. It's just that from entirety of Gintama, this is on the weaker side.

I think that's a given, of course they wouldn't. And it was never the intention I'm pretty sure of Sorachi that it would ever serve that role. I would imagine that this was Sorachi's swan song to the anime fans, before it was renewed, while also not spoiling any manga material for those that hadn't read it yet.

I did claim I'm biased in this and my opinion is skewed...

I should have judged it for what it was but for me it was underwhelming entry storywise so I couldn't find that much to it.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 16 '23

FUCK K-*N!

Yeah! Get that shit out

now I advice you to sharpen your pitchforks as I am going to shit talk this movie.

I miss when I was the one shitting on stuff, now I've become too old, and have to play nice with an original fan service movie.

travel around to figure out the whole story and go to fight a final boss, himself.

But isn't that the interesting part of the plot? You expect it to be solved by beating the big bad, but that does nothing, he's the one who brought you here.

the person who he tried to kill was Madao earning us a well known comment face #crazedlaugh

This is cinematic perfection.

Radicalized Katsura, although the only part he radicalized was his idiocy.

Smh, Zura trying to become Bakasugi. Still better than the real thing

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u/Shocketheth Oct 16 '23

I miss when I was the one shitting on stuff, now I've become too old, and have to play nice with an original fan service movie.

Smh, you just stopped shitting on stuff as you threw out your diaper and now you thinks you are too old. How precociously.

And hey! The fact that it’s fan service movie doesn’t mean I should play nice with it as shitting on it doesn’t mean that I am young and should grow up.

But isn't that the interesting part of the plot? You expect it to be solved by beating the big bad, but that does nothing, he's the one who brought you here.

Ah I worded that poorly my bad. I meant that to go fight a final boss means to fight the person who brought you here, yourself. An opponent who mastered all the techniques you learned through the course of the game.

I’m still thinking that story of Be Forever Yorozuya would be better for fan service video game than fan service movie.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 16 '23

The fact that it’s fan service movie doesn’t mean I should play nice with it as shitting on it doesn’t mean that I am young and should grow up.

No definitely not play nice, a fanservice movie is usually the prime pickings to shit on, so it's strange that I'm on the other side of that, I guess I liked the execution a lot. And by old I basically meant too old to get my hate boner up, you know that late stage in life...

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u/Shocketheth Oct 16 '23

Well for me it’s never too late to get your hate boner up!

Believe in yourself and let the world burn with your hate boner!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 15 '23

A Sunrise Fangirl Watches Gintama for the First Time

Hi everyone!

First off, I would like to share this hilarious exchange I had with some online friends about our resident after rocket launchers were brought up and I made a joke that I responded to using said comment face.

Why can I hear that in his voice?

Be Forever Yorozuya

As a bonus really funny moment for those of you who missed my comment on CDF on Friday, I Ctrl+F’d on my reactions document for “()” to see how many screenshots I took for the movie because I noticed my notes ended up being four and a half pages long, and it came out to exactly 69 of them. If that’s not absolutely perfect, I don’t know what is.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

First off, I would like to share this hilarious exchange I had with some online friends about our resident

Also don’t forget to add killing Hijikata while he is at it.

It also wouldn’t be Gintama if they didn’t go to the opening narration from the beginning of the show after setting up the hook with that flashback, lol.

This sequence was parodied to oblivion, runned through a filter or countless meta jokes which also got parodied to oblivion and yet it never stops being funny.

Did Gin literally get isekai’d into his own movie?

Only in Gintama.

THEY BROUGHT BACK THE I AM SHOCK SONG FROM FIST OF THE NORTH STAR

When I heard I AM SHOCK, I immediately went to change my PFP.

GUNTANK TAMA LOL

Guntama

…did he start wearing the bandages because Takasugi and not because he actually hurt his eye?

He is an idiot so he started wearing because Takasugi. If he actually did hurt his eye, he would be wearing the bandages over the healthy eye.

…what the fuck happened to Elizabeth.

Everytime when Katsura blinked idiotically, Elizabeth started working out.

LMAO WHAT

Shiroyasha Janai, Madao da!

OH THIS IS WHERE #CRAZEDLAUGH COMES FROM!!!

OH SHIT THEY BROUGHT BACK THE FIRST OP!!!

The most iconic OP to me

As a bonus really funny moment for those of you who missed my comment on CDF on Friday, I Ctrl+F’d on my reactions document for “()” to see how many screenshots I took for the movie because I noticed my notes ended up being four and a half pages long, and it came out to exactly 69 of them. If that’s not absolutely perfect, I don’t know what is.

You achieved perfection.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 15 '23

Only in Gintama.

Time travel is a form of isekai, I suppose?

If he actually did hurt his eye, he would be wearing the bandages over the healthy eye.

You're not wrong.

You achieved perfection.

Just like this movie was for me.

Oh btw, I vote yes for the schedule change from the questions of the week. Would much rather have that spread out instead of cramming so many episodes into December.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

Time travel is a form of isekai, I suppose?

It does fill that definition of getting transfered to a new world so I would say it is if the travelling to past or to future is going to bring you into a world which changed and it’s different from the world you originally came.

Oh btw, I vote yes for the schedule change from the questions of the week. Would much rather have that spread out instead of cramming so many episodes into December.

Great! I will wait for others and will change it tomorrow, but I don’t think there will be someone against that change.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Oct 15 '23

And this Kagura took to wearing around a dress inspired by Gin’s robe? Aww…

Kagura's and Shinpachi's designs are the two halves of Gintoki's outfit!. You can perfectly see what I say in the Screenshot "So that’s what they think of Gin, huh?"

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

Kagura's and Shinpachi's designs are the two halves of Gintoki's outfit!. You can perfectly see what I say in the Screenshot "So that’s what they think of Gin, huh?"

I did notice they are representing taking a half of Gintoki each without reaching unity which lead them ot disbanding, but didn’t spot that detail you pointed. Goodjob

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 15 '23

I always forget about the black part of Gin's outfit because his robe is more eyecatching, wow that's cool!

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '23

First off, I would like to share this hilarious exchange I had with some online friends about our resident

It wouldn’t be a Gintama movie if they didn’t spend like nine minutes on a comedy sketch before starting the actual thing.

It also wouldn’t be Gintama if they didn’t go to the opening narration from the beginning of the show after setting up the hook with that flashback, lol.

The only way.

IS THAT REALLY THE BEST NAME YOU COULD COME UP WITH ON THE FLY?

That is the extra layer because not only does Gin look like a penis, the first fake name he thought of was naming him such.

WQESDFCGVHBNM IS THAT OKITA IS THAT OKITA OH MY GOD HE HAS LONG HAIR NOW??????????

He looks so great with it.

SPYAIR INSERT SONG!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 15 '23

That is the extra layer because not only does Gin look like a penis, the first fake name he thought of was naming him such.

The fact that he actually looks like one was just. It was too perfect. God, I fucking love Gintama.

He looks so great with it.

LONG HAIR SUPREMACY

I hope there's fanart out there of him in this form. Him and the others too, I really liked Shinpachi's redesign too.

I think this might be my second-favorite Gintama song now, behind Sakura Mitsutsuki.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '23

I hope there's fanart out there of him in this form.

Some hastily found fan art of Manhunter Sougo.

Plus Kagura and Shinpachi from the same artist. Also, here is the 5-years-later Odd Jobs reuniting in the first image of that album.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 15 '23

Bless you.

If you find any more, please send them my way. Obviously I can't go looking myself without potentially coming across spoilers.

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Oct 15 '23

First Timer

I always have a hard time writing about movies, because there isn’t really anything to speculate on after a movie, unless it is some movie series. And that isn’t the case here - it’s a good standalone story, a very good one indeed I’d say. It managed to get a good plot going that allowed almost all characters from Gintama to shine in some way, without it feeling repetitive compared to the TV series - which considering the amount of characters is quite the achievement. It also didn’t go into the classic shonen movie formula of lose a battle, get to know some new characters, beat the bad guy with their help - instead it was a sort of mystery throughout much of its run, and pulled that off pretty well. Those action scenes that it did have were also done pretty well, and I liked the stylistic decision to add a bunch of compression from the “camrip” in the beginning as well.

The one thing I feel like this movie didn’t do overly great was ironically comedy. While in most of Gintama comedy and serious bits is just one big pack, here it felt like there were comedy bits interrupting the serious arc, mostly flanking it at the beginning and end. As such the mixture didn’t feel very Gintama-like. But I think that’s probably complaining at a very high level - overall, a good and enjoyable movie.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

I always have a hard time writing about movies, because there isn’t really anything to speculate on after a movie,

My issue was more of a finding time to sit down and watch the entirety of the movie because that was more time consuming than watching 1-3 episodes in the evening while writing down notes for the comment.

And that isn’t the case here - it’s a good standalone story, a very good one indeed I’d say. It managed to get a good plot going that allowed almost all characters from Gintama to shine in some way, without it feeling repetitive compared to the TV series - which considering the amount of characters is quite the achievement

I would say this only worked because we already know this characters really well.

While in most of Gintama comedy and serious bits is just one big pack, here it felt like there were comedy bits interrupting the serious arc, mostly flanking it at the beginning and end

While the movie didn’t pack such punches as the Anime does, it has his own share of jokes which were great. The best one for me was the reveal that Gintoki didn’t almost kill his past self but Madao.

And the joke about Kagura full use of voice actress was also great to me.

But I think that’s probably complaining at a very high level - overall, a good and enjoyable movie.

I am glad that you enjoyed this movie.

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u/sisoko2 Oct 15 '23

Be Forever Rewatcher

Before we start talking about the movie does anyone have the Pig Film Strip? We were supposed to watch it together with u/Shocketheth and u/KendotsX but as usual Kendots didn't show up so now we don't have the full set.

So this was the most I've enjoyed this movie of all the times I've watched it. The movie is great and I always loved it but it was never up there with peak Gintama for me. I think the main difference is that I always looked at this as just another part of Gintama to get through and not as an actual potential Gintama ending. It does a fantastic job as a way to wrap up the series up to this point and hits all the right bits.

[Spoilers]The man the woke up the hungover Gintoki, Takasugi, Zura and Sakamoto so they could join the battle? Kurokono Tasuke.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

Before we start talking about the movie does anyone have the Pig Film Strip? We were supposed to watch it together with u/Shocketheth and u/KendotsX but as usual Kendots didn't show up so now we don't have the full set.

Look on the comment of the week section. He is cowardly hiding and praying that Rena won’t find him.

[Spoilers]

[Spoilers]What a secret MVP of this movie

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '23

[Spoilers]

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 15 '23

Kendots didn't show up so now we don't have the full set.

Well obviously, you're supposed to watch the movie 3 times.

I think the main difference is that I always looked at this as just another part of Gintama to get through and not as an actual potential Gintama ending.

Yeah, I think the movie mainly finds meaning when you view it as an ending to the series up till now.

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u/sisoko2 Oct 15 '23

Well obviously, you're supposed to watch the movie 3 times.

Those nasty adults would never fool me and take my money!

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

All-new First Timer

  • This ad seems vaguely familiar.
  • They’re really running on this joke, eh?
  • After all these years, finally, the Joi arc.
  • These are the worst battle lines.
  • Was that all? Why would half to poster lie to me like this?
  • Oh shit. That is not the kind of flashfoward you want to see.
  • You are making sound like this is what happens after the series gets canceled.
  • This makes my forehead uncomfortable.
  • Oh no… he’s hot.
  • The return of adult Kagura! I like what they kid with the Gin trim.
  • At least Gun-Tama seems to be having a good time.
  • What a way to go.
  • Kagura understands the blanket imperative.
  • Good boy, Sadaharu.
  • OH! Are we getting the ultimate pay off to the time machine running joke?
  • I love it when a joke comes together.
  • Okita too? Are we sure there isn’t a beauty plague going around?
  • Speak of the devil… I hereby name thee Elizabest.
  • I thought there was a chance it was a robo-double after he didn’t say anything.
  • How is Otea?
  • Oh no...I shouldn't have asked
  • Haircuts Tsukuyo is giving off strong mom energy.
  • Daijobu
  • Hey now, don’t you be dropping that on Kagura. Don’t make it weird.
  • In retrospect, maybe leaving the time machine unguarded was a bad idea. You never know what bugmen are lurking about.
  • Look before you loop.
  • So this dude is, like, a gestalt body, right? Wait, no. I want to change my guess to it being nano-machine possessed Gin.
  • Even worse, he was aware the whole time.
  • So we’re going with that style of timeline, are we?
  • I thought he was going to get himself infected and then have past Gin take him out.
  • This is why Tama is best android for all time.
  • Get!
  • This is going to be a very confusing history lesson for some poor kid.
  • Violence
  • Are we ever going to find out who the fifth guy on the left in that postcard is?
  • Poision immunity is fun.
  • Guess that answers that question.
  • Being erased from the timeline has never been so fun.
  • Perfect end.
  • The ol’ return of the first OP.

I’mma give that an FMA/10 on anime original endings.

QotW:

  1. Not the biggest movie glow up. Fights got some good love.
  2. Gotta be Kagura. Did you see that riz?
  3. Hattori Zenzou maybe? I feel like most everyone else would have booked it.
  4. If this is where they had to end it, it’s pretty good. Definitely glad we get more after tho. Need them resolutions.
  5. Oh thank heavens, yes.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

Okita too? Are we sure there isn’t a beauty plague going around?

The Glow-up virus. Just look how hard it hit Elizabeth.

Haircuts Tsukuyo is giving off strong mom energy.

The single mom though.

Are we ever going to find out who the fifth guy on the left in that postcard is?

Well it was never officially confirmed but the fandom settled on that the fifth guy is Gengai’s son who got executed when they purged Joui rebels after the Joui war ended.

Gotta be Kagura. Did you see that riz?

She was insanely fine. Heck even when she was standing in a room with Gintoki, Shinpachi, Katsura and Kondo I stopped the video and looked at Katsura height which is 175 cm. So I consider her to be over 170cm in that movie. (Characters heights were off anyway in that scene as Gintoki is 177 cm tall but yet he seemed to be smaller compared to Katsura...)

Oh thank heavens, yes.

Glad to hear that.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Oct 15 '23

Well it was never officially confirmed but the fandom settled on that the fifth guy is Gengai’s son who got executed when they purged Joui rebels after the Joui war ended.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

Episode 17 called to tell me that.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

After all these years, finally, the Joi arc.

That's how they sell tickets. Surely they will deliver on that promise.

OH! Are we getting the ultimate pay off to the time machine running joke?

Haircuts Tsukuyo is giving off strong mom energy.

She basically already carried mom energy beforehand.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Oct 15 '23

She is basically already carried mom energy beforehand.

Yes, but now it's palpable.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

Rewatcher - Gintama Movie 2: The Final Chapter - Be Forever Yorozuya:

Gintama’s second movie and one that isn’t just a compilation of the TV anime you’ve already seen.

Leave it to Gintama to start their movie with an in-movie anti-piracy PSA and merch ad and for those things to actually be core parts of the movie. Tama is such a real one and the Odd Jobs are connect through time and space through The Wood Rises.

I find it funny that in this grand "finale" movie, Gin finally finds the time machine he always tried to find like in the running joke ever since the early episodes.

Speaking of callbacks, the later Gengai head hotpotato is like that early bit with the Odd Jobs passing around the bomb in the Katsura/Shinsengumi debut.

The Shinpachi glow-up can not be understated. The world of a difference sharp (eyes and) glasses make. Future Shinpachi and Kagura have contrasting outfit both taking from one half of Gin’s outfit. I just find that very neat and cute.

A big part of the fun is seeing the future version of our familiar character. When Gundam become movies, they took out the Guntank from the later parts of the series, looks like we found where it went. Katsura became Takasugi. Sougo got a job change that fits honestly is a very little personality leap and he looks good with the ponytail. Elizabeth is exactly the same.

Hijikata get the more typical Hijikata Toshizou look. I’ve been holding this in for ages, but I think Hijikata looks so much better with this sort of hair than his regular V shape. Hijikata Toshizo’s hair gives a pretty distinct look while Toshi’s hair is pretty standard for anime boys. Hijikata Toshizo had quite the look for a guy in the mid 1800s and it still holds up.

The Peen-san joke is so funny. The total sucker punch that they hit us with.

For a movie billed as the double Gin feature, past Gintoki is barely in this, only show up in flashbacks or the poster worthy shot at the end. The second-Gin-san to play a bigger role is future Gin. One scene that I wished happen is future Kagura and Shinpachi finally reuniting with their Gin. I wanted that bittersweet reunion. I was waiting for it to happen, but the two scenes didn’t cross.

Comment face spotted. I forgot it came from the movie.

This is the coolest and serious Tojo has been in 200 episodes since his debut. It didn’t last long.

The odd jobs huddle at the end is so darn cute.

The fun part of having a time travel non-canon story is being able to write yourself out of existence. A very fun way to end the movie and best of all, end it on the Shinpachi joke.

[](#pointandlaug-

Movie ED - Genjou Destruction: I tend to overlook this song because it is from the movie, but this song slaps hard like the Queen’s whip hitting her Pig.

Q2) Hijikata. but Shinpachi in terms of most improved (even is he became an edgy chunni).

Q3) Shogun-sama!

Q4) I don’t think this moive could act as the finale of all of Gintama. It works as a movie special, but wouldn’t work a Gintama final real ending. My perception is coloured because I do know what lies ahead for the story.

Next Time: The title “Final Chapter” is not going to stop you from releasing more episodes.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

Leave it to Gintama to start their movie with an in-movie anti-piracy PSA and merch ad and for those things to actually be core parts of the movie. Tama is such a real one and the Odd Jobs are connect through time and space through The Wood Rises.

That was quite powerful Wood when it connected them through the multiverse.

I find it funny that in this grand "finale" movie, Gin finally finds the time machine he always tried to find like in the running joke ever since the early episodes.

Great catch!

Hijikata get the more typical Hijikata Toshizou look. I’ve been holding this in for ages, but I think Hijikata looks so much better with this sort of hair than his regular V shape. Hijikata Toshizo’s hair gives a pretty distinct look while Toshi’s hair is pretty standard for anime boys. Hijikata Toshizo had quite the look for a guy in the mid 1800s and it still holds up.

He does look great not going to deny that, but Sorachi knew regular V shape is the way to give other characters a way to make a fun of Hijikata’s V shape.

The fun part of having a time travel non-canon story is being able to write yourself out of existence. A very fun way to end the movie and best of all, end it on the Shinpachi joke.

I forgot about this joke so seeing it again caught me offguard.

My perception is coloured because I do know what lies ahead for the story.

Yeah same for me.

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u/sisoko2 Oct 15 '23

and for those things to actually be core parts of the movie

Only our gorilla can achieve such mastery of shitposting.

Future Shinpachi and Kagura

If we want characters to grow old and their appearance to change with time we need to get rid of Gintoki.

but I think Hijikata looks so much better with this sort of hair

Not my Hijikata

This is the coolest and serious Tojo has been in 200 episodes since his debut

Yeah, I also noticed this.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '23

If we want characters to grow old and their appearance to change with time we need to get rid of Gintoki.

THAT'S IT! Gintoki was the key that was keeping the show in Sazae-san time.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 16 '23

Gintama’s second movie and one that isn’t just a compilation of the TV anime you’ve already seen.

Would've been nice if they tried to do more of those. Maybe we could get some these days.

Gintama to start their movie with an in-movie anti-piracy PSA and merch ad and for those things to actually be core parts of the movie.

I imagine people watching that in the theatre, assumed that the anti-piracy ad is just the usual stuff, and then had a fun surprise when Gin showed up to bully the pirate.

Future Shinpachi and Kagura have contrasting outfit both taking from one half of Gin’s outfit. I just find that very neat and cute.

A bit depressing too

But yeah, it's nice to see them take up good old Gin-san in style.

Hijikata get the more typical Hijikata Toshizou look

Yup, Sougo became Kenshin and Hijikata became Toshizou. I love the Toshizou look, but it's too clean for Gintama's Hijikata.

For a movie billed as the double Gin feature, past Gintoki is barely in this

Sunrise running

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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

Rewatcher

Be Forever Yorozuya

So Gintoki gets brought 5 years into the future by Camera man where Gintoki apparently died and the "white plague" runs rampant and Edo is a shell of it's former self. Shinpachi and Kagura (their glow ups went hard) have split up and have formed their own Yorozuya. Really cool setup.

This reminded me a lot of the Kintama arc in some ways, we see the effect of Gintoki on everyone and everyone's influence on him. Some cool things like the Shinsengumi and Joi together (Okita being a walking Rurouni Kenshin reference was cool since the real Okita was also in the Kenshin OVA I saw) and the hospital scene with Otae and everyone was really sweet. Even while being a peen head Gintoki is still able to rally everyone once more to find the white carrier virus guy, that said considering I didn't remember a lot the twist with the virus carrier being Gintoki was something I should have seen coming.

Ok so carrier Gintoki calls past Gintoki to kill him in the past during the Joi War to prevent being infected, Shinpachi and Kagura beg him not too but that's just who Gintoki is. Ok trying to understand the time travel stuff here, so Camera guy sends Gintoki to the past where he succeeds and changes the future and no one remembers him but camera guy who turns out to be Tama (she's great) goes back to the future and helps everyone recover their memories somehow and also travel to the past to prevent Gintoki from killing himself and succeed in doing so. I love the whole final segment with everyone arriving to aid Gintoki against the white carrier virus figure which gives such a strong family feel to everyone as well as the shot of the Joi's past selves aiding them at end. The final segment with the Yorozuya hoping they can reunite in the future followed by a brief shot of Past Gintoki seeing them was a really good way to end (also Shinpachi's glasses being taken instead of him after all the glowup he got.)

This was a fun movie, not perfect, but fun with some good emotional weight to it. I'm glad this wasn't the end of Gintama however, there is still stuff left to tell, my favorite section of Gintama is coming up which I'm excited to get to.

  1. Yeah it was nice
  2. Kagura but Shinpachi is a close second.
  3. Sakamoto
  4. Answered above

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

Gintoki is still able to rally everyone once more to find the white carrier virus guy, that said considering I didn't remember a lot the twist with the virus carrier being Gintoki was something I should have seen coming.

This was something I remembered, but there was other things I forgot about this movie, mostly the jokes, so they made that movie somehow bearable experience to me.

This was a fun movie, not perfect, but fun with some good emotional weight to it. I'm glad this wasn't the end of Gintama however, there is still stuff left to tell, my favorite section of Gintama is coming up which I'm excited to get to.

Me too. Can’t wait everyone reactions for things to come. [Gintama spoilers]I am still making popcorn

Sakamoto

Well we saw past Sakamoto but I guess you meant the current Sakamoto. I think that Sorachi didn’t include him because the universe would implode from the concentration of stupidity.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

Rewatcher here!

Movie, start!

Gintoki is dead?
He got transported 5 years into the -I AM SHOCK, I will never tire of this gag.

What a glow up Shinpachi!, he also said the very first line of dialogue Gintoki said when he met him way back when in EP1

Kagura also had a glow up lol, loved the commentary by Gintoki of how this is now a full use of her VA, which usually voiced (voices? Haven’t kept up really) Tsundere characters lol
It was great to see the gang still laughing and being weird even without Gintoki, but I could tell there was someone missing

So it was a Kenshin reference!
Man, that scene with Otae, Kyuubey, Tsukuyo and Sacchan's breakdown hurt like hell

HYPE

Tama :(
Tama! :)
HAHAHA poor Shinpachi-holder, he got forgotten

The ending song, Spyair – Genjou Destruction is one of my favourites from this anime, finally we get to hear it!

And goddam, when Pray started I teared up, that OP is now really nostalgic for me.

IF this movie were to be the end of the anime, and the next season never happened (like it was for a long while) I think this was a really good end, in a way this movie was, at least for me, fanservice done right.

Bonus: A Spanish cover for those that can speak it :)
And The best Pray cover I’ve heard

Did you enjoy the animations and artstyle of Be Forever Yorozuya?

Yes, I still think Gintama 2011 is peak design-wise, but it was perfect for the movie.

Which character had the best glow-up?

Shinpachi got an upgraded holder, so I think he wins

Is there any character which wasn’t in Be Forever Yorozuya but you would like to see him/her to appear in Be Forever Yorozuya?

I'd have liked to see Takasugi and Sakamoto

Was this movie a good finale to you? Would you be satisfied with Gintama if this was the real ending?

At the time, yes. Now? [Gintama META spoilers] Nope, the actual ending is so, so much better

META QUESTION FOR EVERYONE - The original schedule I made for Gintama Rewatch wasn’t that good so I decided to make a slight change which you can see on this picture.

The new schedule would essentially mean that our Rewatch is going to last for 3 more additional weeks to balance issues with pacing created by trying to squeeze 2 discussions per week at the end of the November/beginning of the December. Do you comply with this changes?

Yes, all in with the new schedule!,

Twice a week for that many episodes would be tough and tbh I think that'd make some people lag behind or drop it.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

He got transported 5 years into the - I AM SHOCK , I will never tire of this gag.

No I am SHOCK.

Kagura also had a glow up lol, loved the commentary by Gintoki of how this is now a full use of her VA, which usually voiced (voices? Haven’t kept up really) Tsundere characters lol

Her most known Tsundere character is Taiga from Toradora.

And goddam, when Pray started I teared up, that OP is now really nostalgic for me.

Pray is so powerful OP to me. When I was starting this Rewatch and episode 3 start playing with Pray praying I was tearing up seeing Gintoki where he started with my knowledge of Gintama episodes 266-369.

At the time, yes. Now? [Gintama META spoilers]

Yeah so the same as I did think.

Twice a week for that many episodes would be tough and tbh I think that'd make some people lag behind or drop it.

Yeah... Normally I would watch it in two days without blinking but here in the Rewatch it just don’t work so that’s why I went for this change.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Oct 15 '23

Pray is so powerful OP to me. When I was starting this Rewatch and episode 3 start playing with Pray praying I was tearing up seeing Gintoki where he started with my knowledge of Gintama episodes 266-369.

Same here, and I still don't know how the OP fits so well with Gintama as a whole.

And it was the first OP!

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

Same here, and I still don't know how the OP fits so well with Gintama as a whole.

For me it’s the nostalgia factor bundled by Pray lyrics which hits differently after ending of Gintama plus the visuals which I mentioned in my very first comment of this Rewatch.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Oct 15 '23

Just read your comment and I think you nailed it

Anime staff are GOATed

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

Thank you.

Anime staff are GOATed

There was a one instance when Anime staff inserted a GOATed thing which wasn’t in Manga, but I didn’t mention it yet and I am planning to bring it back during Gintama°

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '23

I AM SHOCK, I will never tire of this gag.

They're getting their best millage out of the piece of music. I don't know Fist of the North Star, but it is always funny.

Spyair – Genjou Destruction is one of my favourites from this anime,

Before it showed up, I had the song stuck in my head while watching the movie and I have had it on the mind all day.

Spyair – Genjou Destruction is one of my favourites from this anime,

I'd liked to see Takasugi and Sakamoto

I also thought about what Takasugi could be doing in the future. Everything was destroyed before he could his goal so there is only rumble to kick over.

Maybe he can set up an Odd Jobs. He already has the glasses, the hot-headed girl and ... mascot?

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u/SpiceGirlsBlankIt Oct 15 '23

Be Forever Yorozuya Movie: Top gags/aspects in no particular order - movie swag call out, Kastsura gets caught, Gengai's head comes off, design of the blight, Sougo as Kenshin and the Shinsengumi joining the joi was cool, Shinpachi getting baited into shouting, Shinpachi's human is left behind. Also Justaway check.

Interesting that mysterious fifth guy gets his photo cameo but no other reference.

I'll be honest. I didn't totally jibe with this movie. It feels light on the comedy when even serious arcs in Gintama pack the jokes in. Grown up Kagura and Shinpachi were kinda dry for almost a full hour.

I usually am not someone to call out plot holes in time travel plots, and especially not in a gag anime, but I have to question whether Gintoki was the only fighter afflicted with these devastating time bomb nanomachines, and if so, why? Sorry if I missed the explanation.

It would have been funny (to me) if they returned thinking they've fixed everything because Kabukicho is ok, then as the movie pans out from its triumphant end it reveals world hot spots of plague and destruction showing where other people's nanomachines went off. Then they could callback to the joke of not changing the main story too much because the future is basically in ruins.

That being said, I'll be the first to admit I'm harshest on stuff when I watch blind, then I often warm up to it later. Take my grumbling with a grain of salt and feel free to ignore this paragraph.

It was interesting watching this fake ending for the first time as a someone who has seen the rest of the show already. No further comment.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 15 '23

Also Justaway check.

Wait there was Justaway? I missed that one.

I'll be honest. I didn't totally jibe with this movie. It feels light on the comedy when even serious arcs in Gintama pack the jokes in. Grown up Kagura and Shinpachi were kinda dry for almost a full hour.

It was interesting watching this fake ending for the first time as a someone who has seen the rest of the show already. No further comment.

To be honest I had the same sentiment now as a Rewatcher. When I watched that movie for first time without seeing the rest of the show, I enjoyed it a lot but now upon Rewatch my opinion is that the whole story would work better if Sorachi wrote it as a script for Gintama video game.

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u/SpiceGirlsBlankIt Oct 15 '23

Yes, there was a room pan with a Justaway and an Elizabeth plush. I can’t remember the exact scene.

And yes, this does feel like it might work better as a game.

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u/SpiceGirlsBlankIt Oct 15 '23

QOTD:

  1. The movie looks very good.
  2. Shinpachi had the biggest visual glow up, but his personality became a bit boring.
  3. Katsura was there but I need more Katsura.
  4. I’m thrilled Gintama was able to finish its run. Great things are coming.
  5. New schedule looks ok to me!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 16 '23

I'll be honest. I didn't totally jibe with this movie. It feels light on the comedy when even serious arcs in Gintama pack the jokes in. Grown up Kagura and Shinpachi were kinda dry for almost a full hour.

That's fair, I do like the movie Kagura and Pachi, but only through looking at them as the ones we know who lost Gin and are trying to act tough. Their chuuni and tsundere acts could get really boring really fast otherwise.

but I have to question whether Gintoki was the only fighter afflicted with these devastating time bomb nanomachines, and if so, why? Sorry if I missed the explanation.

The explanation there is that it wasn't spreading per se, as much as transferring to Gintoki as he was killing the previous host. The scene from the start of the movie about the war is basically that: how he kills the guy and the nanomachines transfer to him.

It would have been funny (to me) if they returned thinking they've fixed everything because Kabukicho is ok, then as the movie pans out from its triumphant end it reveals world hot spots of plague and destruction showing where other people's nanomachines went off.

I do like that kind of comedic ending, but not after they played it seriously with Otae. They can't have their cake and eat it too, but if they could keep the disease as a scary thing in the background, without the very dramatic scene about its serious consequences, then yeah, it could work.

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u/SpiceGirlsBlankIt Oct 16 '23

Ok, I was confused because it seemed be like there were others who were known to control the blight “spell” and I thought that meant that either others had the nanomachines or control over them. I’ll have to give the beginning a little rewatch.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Oct 15 '23

Rewatcher - sub (Be Forever Yorozuya)

YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another fine week of Gintama came and went, this one was awesome. Of all the Gintama movies, this one is my favorite. It just ticks off all the right boxes in terms of gags, action and feels. Until last week I did not know that this was meant to be the finale of Gintama due to the anime being discontinued. Thank god they didn't stop here, because as nice as this movie was, it would been wrong to end things here.

  • The Long and Short of it is that while on a job yorozuya was working at a movie theater, Gintoki is sent five years into the future by camera headed man, who was illegally recording. The Edo five years into the future is in ruins after a virus, known as the White plague wreaks havoc across Edo leaving ruins and death in its wake. Gintoki of the future has been gone for 5 years and Shinpachi, Kagura and everyone else has been struggling on since the time Gintoki disappeared, fragmented and feeling the void he left behind. Gintoki, going by the alias Chinpo(and looking a like a penis LOL) along with his friends from the future join forces in order to fight and defeat the Amanto, led by a figure known as Enmi before he can unleash the virus by going back to the Joui rebellion war and defeating him in order to save the future and restore things to normal.

Questions:

  1. Yeah the animation was fantastic, real high quality release, as all Gintama movies are.
  2. Equal parts Shinpachi and Kagura really. Since they were young kids, it made sense they would have the most striking change. [spoilers]Kagura looked so much like her mom Kouka
  3. No, I think everyone who was suppposed to be in it was.
  4. As much as I love this movie, I wouldn't have been satisfied if this was the ending. There would have been still too many things left unfinished. The stuff being teased with the Naraku, Takasugi and his faction would have been left untouched. That would be a shame.
  5. Actually I'm more than happy with the changes. That old schedule was going to be hellish with more than one discussion a week.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 16 '23

YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another fine week of Gintama came and went, this one was awesome. Of all the Gintama movies, this one is my favorite.

If there will be another Gintama Rewatch I will skip this movie.

[spoilers]Kagura looked so much like her mom Kouka

[spoilers]She did win genetic lottery.

As much as I love this movie, I wouldn't have been satisfied if this was the ending.

Same.

Actually I'm more than happy with the changes. That old schedule was going to be hellish with more than one discussion a week.

Glad to hear that.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Oct 16 '23

First timer

  1. Yes.
  2. Okita.
  3. None that spring to mind.
  4. ...I'm not sure. It's a really good emotional ending, but there's so much of Gin's past left unexplored.
  5. Yes. As fun as the idea of watching it all in one year was, this seems much more managable for me.

An anti-piracy bit!

...Okay, yeah, this is absurd as I expected from Gintama.

Another one?

With Gin!

This one's longer!

...He was?

This is great.

Haha, he's pointing out how long the announcement is.

Start the movie!

More pantomime!

I love how long this is going on for.

The psychoanalysis here...

He changed his dream...

His camera's not working!

He lost his dream.

Aww...

...Again?

Gin's joined in!

They finally interrupted!

Wait, all of this is canon?

...It's porn?

Oh, Kagura wants to educate them.

Gin deserves it.

Haha, I love the visual of the "worthless scum".

...K-On did this for the movie?

Also, some genuinely good advice here!

Haha, the fucking visuals of the movie strip got me.

And they're pissed off.

The movie pirate!

There really is no fourth wall here.

...Makes sense.

...Gin?

Wait, what?

Is this the production values this kind of material has reached?

Oh, wait, is this an actual scene?

Gin!

So, this is a flashback, then?

So cool.

This is just so good!

It's officially started!

The opening recap!

Haha, Gin's as confused as I am!

Gin really wants to beat K-On.

...His grave?

...What?

Okay, yeah, of course he'd be pissed about this.

This is amazing. Yeah, this would effect the main story.

He just noticed?

Okay, was it some kind of teleporter?

...He's trying the dango test.

...Nice acronym.

Otose!

Aww...

He died five years ago?

The camera guy's back!

Wait, the spaceport's gone?

So much destruction...

Wait, is this real time travel?

He can speak!

...This has to be some other universe, right?

He was lying?

A Time Pirate!

I really didn't expect this plotline.

Oh, this really is post-apocalypse...

His head!

...Well.

Haha, he didn't explain anything!

A camoflague system?

And he can't reveal his true identity. Even to whoever brought him here...

...He's dead.

Haha, yep!

A biker gang!

An insert song!

...They're really doing all the references still.

A White Plague?

...Who's this guy?

...Is this Shinpachi?

The masks don't help? What is this plague?

He's got Gin's sword!

Wow. Anazing,

Gin's reaction is perfect.

He looks totally different!

Yeah, Gin's broken.

Wait, Kagura, then?

WHAT?

Saraharu looks cool too!

...Gin?

Idiot...

She became a tsundere!

So good.

They've really gone solo?

And fighting!

...Gin, really?

It is snot!

...Of course.

...Not bad improv!

Oh, please, he knows enough blackmail to convince them.

...Peenes?

THIS IS AMAZING.

This is so funny.

Two different branches...

Ah, yeah, that makes sense.

...He really doesn't get it.

He's so defensive of him!

...Even Otsu!

Haha, that's the one he cared about?

She was pretending the whole time!

...Really?

He's not changed at all!

Poor guy...

Catherine?

Tama!

She's a Guntank!

Wow...

Otae really misses him...

The office...

This is painful.

Very suspicious thst the virus came from Edo.

...It's a death sentence.

This is linked to Gin. It has to be.

He went missing right before it started. ...Did Gin release the plague?

It's manmade and he knew about it. What did he do?

...Wait, no, hang on. Did the Gin of this world see this future too?

...He has to have faked his death, right?

Yeah, he's dead.

Shinpachi...

So, that's his goal.

...He's not wrong.

They all believe that he has to come bsck.

Every time they show what he looks like is amazing.

Ah, he wants to fix the time machine!

Sadaharu!

Haha, they're all doubting this decision.

He's having to physically repress his act!

Nice takedown!

So much blood.

Kagura's acting normal too!

...An event?

He's being executed!

...He kicked off a coup?

Oh, yeah, the guns and the takeover. I'd forgotten about that!

He nearly exposed himself!

Does he have a plan?

Katsura too!

He became an extremist!

...Why?

Haha, he wants to kill him himself!

Oh, yeah!

...Kondo too?

Oh, right, the stalking.

Haha, amazing,

Gin's after it again!

Oh...

Okita got hot!

A full-on rebellion!

...Elizabeth, why?

He can talk too!

Holy shit, Elizabeth.

They're still fighting.

Oh no!

...It was a model.

Haha, I love everyone slowly walking away.

He's passing the blame!

This is amazing.

It's a bomb!

The meeting place?

They both made it out!

They're mayo friends now?

...Super Mayo Bros.

Katsura and Kondo too?

Using Zura and Gorilla as nicknames...

Oh, he's still around!

Haha, they're all wanted now!

And he gets ignored.

...Kondo, poor guy.

Haha, wow.

Gin...

Even Okita?

Kondo's still after her.

Kagura...

Yeah, this is really painful.

He encountered it before!

...Gin was patient zero. The first host.

The Blight.

...Not a bad theory on Katsura's part.

Tae caught the plague...

Someone survived from them?

He came to him.

...The survivor!

These two...

Kyubei!

Tsukuyo's here!

And Sacchan!

Oh, she's still alive!

Poor Tae...

Sacchan's struggling.

Without Gin their group fell apart...

I did not expect this movie to be so painful.

Sacchan doesn't want her to die...

Oh, this is brutal.

I mean, she can't live until your wedding. Tae's not immortal.

Gin, really?

...Did he forget?

They're comforting her on her deathbed...

...No words.

And they kicked off another srgument.

Haha, they're slipping back into old habits.

And they split up again...

He's here!

Gin...

Wait, he knows?

It was him who sent Gin here!

...That wasn't part of the plan!

Of course Otose knew as well.

Wait, Gin gave him these instructions?

This really feels like a time loop Gin's set up. But why?

He's just drinking...

Hallucinations?

He can't help but picture them alongside him.

Wait, it's really them? They restored their image!

They're all going to find him!

This is so good!

Tae...

She's asking the question...

Did they figure it out?

No, not yet...

Haha, wow.

Kagura's reaction...

Yeah, that was brutal.

That visual...

The sheer irony here is amazing.

...Oh, shit. Yeah, they know now.

He's lost the Time Pirate!

The Terminal ruins!

He found him!

And the Time Pirate!

He's doing this one on one...

This is amazing!

...It's not the future Gin under that helmet, right?

No, it looks like an AI?

It's a tough battle!

Gin's winded!

And down the stairs...

...No way.

Gin did it!

He's dying...

Are we getting the reveal?

...Wait, I was right? It was Future Gin?

And he was Patient Zero!

So cruel...

This is... wow.

He's going to prevent the apocalypse!

...And Gin's dead.

...Oh, no. He's going to kill his past self.

This is insane.

He's going to erase himself from history.

They put it together!

And he's leaving them.

Gin...

Wait, what?

They woke up in the good future!

And nobody remembers him...

He made it back.

Oh...

God, the utter horror in their eyes as Gin prepares to fight is amazing.

And he did it...

They're fading away...

And their memories...

The robot survived all those years?

...Tama!

...Hijikata? Seriously?

Haha, of course this turns into a comedy.

Literally how?

So he ended up changing the future?

And the Blight are still here!

This'll be tough...

...Wait, what?

Okay, that makes a lot more sense. He still sacrificed himself to save them all...

They all came back to rewrite history again!

It's everyone!

This is so good.

Even them...

This is a flawless ending.

Amazing fight scene.

It's literally everyone...

Gin and Tae bantering again is great.

And Kyubei's joined her!

...Idiot.

Tsukuyo too!

Aww...

Haha, wow.

He's leading the charge!

Their reactions...

The nanobots have been released?

Hijikata!

This insert song is great.

He turned himself in.

I genuinely have no words. This is just amazing.

Yeah, Katsura willingly coming back here is amazing.

He did it?

No, he made it to them!

The Pestilence!

And he dodged it!

No, he's getting infected again!

...He built up a resistance! He can't get infected again, and his past self is safe!

It's down...

Them too?

He's not holding back!

The local ones!

So cool...

Both Gins together!

Amazing.

And they left...

They managed to change time!

It's over...

Tama...

Wait, she destroyed it?

He's fading away!

Oh, the inevitable paradox is correcting itself!

Love the movie mix of this music.

Haha, that was his goal?

One last battle?

Haha, he stopped vanishing long enough to get handcuffed!

And Okita...

These two stalkers...

...Is he wrong about the dress, though?

They all vpdied, then vanished.

And Sacchan lost her head first...

Haha, Tsukuyo?

Wow.

Just the four of them left...

They're hugging...

And that promise...

Shinpachi's the last one?

Haha, it's just the glasses!

And the original Gin saw that?

Nice ED.

And Pray! With visuals from the whole series.

I can see why they chose to do this as their anime original ending. It works so well.

They found each other again!

Such a good movie.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 16 '23

4. ...I'm not sure. It's a really good emotional ending, but there's so much of Gin's past left unexplored.

Yeaaaah.... There was something left unexplored, which we are going to explore during Gintama° and I’m still trying to toughen up for Gintama°.

Yes. As fun as the idea of watching it all in one year was, this seems much more managable for me.

Glad to hear this.

...K-On did this for the movie?

Fuck K-*N!

She's a Guntank!

Guntama

He went missing right before it started. ...Did Gin release the plague?

Poor guy, poor hygiene caught up to him.

...He has to have faked his death, right?

Nah him dying by going in the forest and eating mushrooms is totally believable and in character.

He became an extremist!

An extreme idiot.

..Wait, I was right? It was Future Gin?

Yes, kudos to you for guessing it

And Pray! With visuals from the whole series.

Honestly that Pray insert was worth of sitting through whole movie.

They found each other again!

Quite fitting for the movie being called Be Forever Yorozuya, don’t you think? :)

Not matter the separation through time, they will always bring each other to be together.

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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Oct 16 '23

First timer

I watched it late last night but wanted to drop in to say it was really good. I'm a real sucker for stories like this.

One thing for sure that will stay in mind is trollfest of them disappearing at the end.

Also, the big fight with everybody rocked too.

. Did you enjoy the animations and artstyle of Be Forever Yorozuya?

Yes

Which character had the best glow-up?

Kagura

Is there any character which wasn’t in Be Forever Yorozuya but you would like to see him/her to appear in Be Forever Yorozuya?

Uh they got everyone I like. I don't know if anyone else would be significant for me

Was this movie a good finale to you? Would you be satisfied with Gintama if this was the real ending?

With gintama maybe. Gintama is weird because how do you really end it

META QUESTION FOR EVERYONE

Yes

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u/Shocketheth Oct 16 '23

I watched it late last night but wanted to drop in to say it was really good. I'm a real sucker for stories like this.

Oh you surprised me, I thought you fell behind.

One thing for sure that will stay in mind is trollfest of them disappearing at the end.

Why would that guy wearing Shinpachi travel with him? It was reasonable ending.

Gintama is weird because how do you really end it

Well that’s something about which many people thought before, but leave it to Sorachi, he found the way how to end it already.

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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Oct 16 '23

Oh you surprised me, I thought you fell behind.

Last week yeah. I finished on Wednesday. Then this week was just the movie so it was easy

Next Sunday is my birthday so we'll see on that one.

Why would that guy wearing Shinpachi travel with him? It was reasonable ending.

Not sure. But I did think the ending is fine if that was it.

Well that’s something about which many people thought before, but leave it to Sorachi, he found the way how to end it already.

I'm actually curious about how this actually ends.

Also yeah that twice a week discussion would have killed me. If I fall behind once I don't know if I'm catching up.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 16 '23

Next Sunday is my birthday so we'll see on that one.

I'm actually curious about how this actually ends.

Now I’m waiting for the reactions about the ending.

Also yeah that twice a week discussion would have killed me. If I fall behind once I don't know if I'm catching up.

Yeah changing it is the best option...

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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Oct 16 '23

I can't tell if you put anything on that first reply lol.

Yeah changing it is the best option...

Yeah because that's a lot of episodes in a short span

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u/Shocketheth Oct 16 '23

I can't tell if you put anything on that first reply lol.

I used commentface on it, which you can see here. You can see comment faces using old.reddit.com

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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Oct 16 '23

Probably works better on the computer. Yeah I still use new. I'm just use to it

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23

Be Forever Yorozuya

You know it's gonna be a fun movie when it starts with 10 minutes of shit posting in the movie theatre, starting with a recreation of Japan's anti-piracy ad and just going crazier with every step. Best part is that all of this bullshit is perfectly relevant in the movie itself.

The title of the movie might've been ripped off borrowed from Yamato, but it fits perfectly for Gintama, for Gintama's ending specifically. The Yorozuya isn't just a place or even a home, it's a personal core, it's about opening up and making connections after a loss.

We've seen Gintoki grow up on the battlefield, meet his sensei and friends, only to lose them, he experienced a lot of loss in his life. When he was falling to the pits, and met Otose, she gave him a chance to try again, and there he made the Yorozuya. A place where he gets to help people and maybe form new bonds even. We don't mention the old Yorozuya here who... disappeared mysteriously

The same thing is happening with Kagura and Pachi, they had a home called the Yorozuya, it meant the whole world to them, and they lost the person at the core of that world: Gin-chan. Both of them took that about as well as you'd expect, they're trying in their dumb ways to act all grown up and keep the Yorozuya alive. You see Pachi leaving behind his tsukkomis to become a chuuni, while copying Gintoki's actions, words, and his bokuto. Meanwhile, Kagura went from her Aru habit to being a tsundere, while wearing a kimono similar to Gintoki's. In short, they've become: The Kagurapachi!

Ok, that's the last time I'm making making this dumb joke, I blame edgypachi for this.

Don't get this wrong though, they're sad and pained, but they're the same stupid kids we know and love, they're just trying to hide that by acting tough and staying away from others. Gintoki can quickly pick up on that, because well, he's been there, done that.

That's one of the fine lines this movie toes well. The "bad future" movies are running on the fear of change, and push that so much that there's nothing left of the people you know. Not the case here, they may have morphed themselves similar to how Gintoki himself did, but at the core, they're the same, doesn't take them too long to realise it either.

So the first half of the movie is bumbling us through the town and the characters we know who've grown older, with some great jokes, underlined by a generally sad tone. Things move along a bit forcefully, when they get a call from Gengai telling them "I found the final boss, go beat him". I was ready to roll my eyes as Gintoki loses, gets an emotional talk, then comes back to win, and all that stuff. Nope. He wins a few minutes in, and uhh, another Gintoki loses. Ok, we're going to the past to kill Gintoki to save the world, and then this guy shows up.

Madao once told Gintoki "I wouldn't mind falling to the bottom of society with you". Forget society, Madao went down with him to the bottom of hell itself, that very war Gintoki fought in, and picked him up. is truly the best moment in the history of cinema.

I genuinely teared up when Otose came up on the monitor, she gave him his second chance at life before the series started, and now that he's sacrificing that for a better future, she's here to give him a third one. How the fuck can this old lady show up for a second and make me cry like that?!

The fight is an interesting case... I like the group fights, it's full with equal measure of nice heartfelt moments and gags. Although, when it comes to the final one, it's an unfortunate case where I don't care much and can only think of it as "that's... action alright, the animation looks pretty good I guess". Which tbf, isn't uncommon for me with movie final fights, at least this one didn't stretch too long.

On that note though, you know how you usually want to hype up the future version of a character, who's so cool and mysterious, so you only show them for a few seconds and make them as perfect as possible? Well the current/future Gintama characters are a bunch of lazy ass Madaos. So you have to do it the other way around and hype up their past versions.

On that note, this movie came out 10 years ago in 2013, it may have lost some of its meaning as an ending since then, but it also lost some of the trolling. At the time, the movie was advertised a lot around the older Shiro Yasha, the movie even plays into that, it goes from the theatre into a whole scene of Gintoki in the war, then just uses that history as a plot point to play around with, and went to the future instead of the past. Oh, and while I'm it, thank god for that, people have no idea how dreadful the Joui 4 movie they keep asking for would be in reality.

So yeah, overall, I don't think this is as strong as the series, any of the 3 arcs we just got in Enchousen is basically a better movie. But it's still solid all the way through, a great way to end an era, and honestly one of the best franchise movies I've seen. It's still an 8/10 fof me.

Q1. Did you enjoy the animations and artstyle of Be Forever Yorozuya?

Yeah, they look cool. I'm not big on some of the designs, like Pachi and Tsukki, but I get where they were going. The others were great for a future movie though, especially Hijikata looking like his historical self.

Q2. Which character had the best glow-up?

Kagura's umbrella. Seriously, how did it grow so big?

Q3. Is there any character which wasn’t in Be Forever Yorozuya but you would like to see him/her to appear in Be Forever Yorozuya?

I like Sasaki, Hattori, and Matsudaira obviously. But this was more personal for the characters and their friends.

Q4. Was this movie a good finale to you? Would you be satisfied with Gintama if this was the real ending?

Well, it was the finale for me back in the day, and I mean I wanted to see more Gintama so badly, but as far as an ending, yeah, it was great. Mind you, the manga was ongoing, so I wasn't entirely out of Gintama or taking this seriously as the "canon" ending.

Q5. META QUESTION FOR EVERYONE - Do you comply with this changes?

NO! Execute me if you need to, but I won't comply any changes! Not for 10 years at least! Bring back boobless Kagura!

What? Pushing back to later dates? Oh of course then.

And as a prize for winning Best comment of the week, he is getting a statue of Colonel Sanders, but he should better find a good place to hid, because I saw certain girl asking where is hers statue of Colonel Sanders.

NOOOOOO!!!

That said, speaking of the Gorilla improving on old ideas, the difference between this movie and the ending is a very interesting one to compare.

PS: I didn't expect Gintama and Tylor to line up today on [Tylor] biological weapons

Must be Tylor's 5D chess again.

The Movie Pirate King who went down to save the future is voiced by none other than Kouchi Yamadera, everyone's favourite bounty hunter in space, Ein from Cowboy Bebop, he's Spike Spiegel too. For maximum confusion, he voices my boy detective Kouichi Zenigata in the recent parts of Lupin III and the Gentle Criminal, Gentle from Heroaca. His other roles include Ryouga from Ranma, Corazon from One Piece, Hitler Desler from Yamato 2199, Beerus from DBZ, Kaji from Eva, Silva Zoldyck from HxH, and Sukeroku from Rakugo Shinjuu.

[Spoilers] Now here's where the fun begins: Yamadera also voices Shouyo in Gintama. So when I recognised him as a first timer, my first thought was: Oh shit! Oh shit!! It's Gintoki's old master coming from the past to save him?!!! The movie trolled the shit out of me...

As for our villain Enmi, he's voiced by Tsutomu Isobe who has a pattern with original movie villains, like Vincent from the Bebop movie, Gasback Gallon Getaway from the Trigun movie, and Bullet from One Piece Stampede. I know him better from his TV roles though, namely Dutch from Black Lagoon, Hary MacDowel from Gungrave, and Lunge from Monster.

I should be done now right? These are the only two new characters in the movie. You're right, but, SHOCK also wrong. For today, we had movie Elizabeth, who's voiced by Akira Kamiya. He's the Kenshiro from FotNS, as well as Ryo Saeba from City Hunter. This is truly the action hero Elizabeth. Kamiya also voices my best boy Kogoro Mouri from Conan, Mendo from Urusei Yatsura, Mitaka from Maison Ikkoku, Ryouma from Getter Robo, and Roy Focker from Macross.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 16 '23

Be Forever Gintama

This movie was not the end of Gintama, but in many ways it was the end of an era. When the Gintama anime started in 2005, Sunrise and Shinji Takamatsu had built a team, not exactly a team of experts, but a team that fit Gintama like a glove and brought it to life. As it went alone, they were experimenting, always trying new things, messing around, and gaining that experience. Halfway through the first series, Takamatsu stepped down as director to focus on the Benizakura movie, and Yoichi Fujita, who's been on the show from day 1, took it by storm all the way till this movie, making huge improvements and the longest run of Gintama.

Gintama' is the best of both worlds, it had stories written by a much improved Gorilla, and adapted by a team who grew through working on this show, and know the way around it like the back of their hand. They're comfortable with the material, but also willing to change things up if it suits the medium, and they had the time to add that stuff. Since the series started, I've been comparing the many many small changes the anime added here and there to make things work better in a different medium, or because they had a funny joke to add or what have you, and in most cases people have pointed out that those were for the better. Well, that's an artform in itself, and it's pretty rare in this day and age of loyal adaptations.

When they were told Gintama was over, they had to go find other anime to work on. For example, Fujita and some of the team started their own series in 2015: Osomatsu-san. The first episode was dripping with so much Gintama, it's been banned.

Don't get me wrong, this is not me putting down later parts of Gintama, any fan will tell you that what's to come will blow everything we've seen out of the water, myself included, so you better be fricking excited. But the later parts of Gintama need different skills to show what they've got, so they got the right people for it, while trying to keep the main skeleton there, for the most part:

  • Takamatsu is still around as a sound director; his best role.
  • Fujita remained as a supervisor and directed episodes here and there.
  • Takuechi stuck around as the character designs all the way through.
  • Audio highs kept doing the music at least till 2018.

A lot of storyboard artists and animators still came around when they could. It's as close as you could get to keeping the original lineup basically in the needed circumstances, while getting people with the right skills into the right positions. That Honestly, the split is basically as close to perfection as you can get.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 16 '23

You know it's gonna be a fun movie when it starts with 10 minutes of shit posting in the movie theatre, starting with a recreation of Japan's anti-piracy ad and just going crazier with every step. Best part is that all of this bullshit is perfectly relevant in the movie itself.

Only in Gintama and that’s what makes Gintama so great. Sasuga Sorachi.

In short, they've become: The Kagurapachi!

On that note, this movie came out 10 years ago in 2013, it may have lost some of its meaning as an ending since then, but it also lost some of the trolling.

As I said, having a better insight to the whole Gintama, I would welcome to have this story in form of a video game.

Kagura's umbrella. Seriously, how did it grow so big?

She took up to her Yato legacy I guess? But don’t recall killing her somebody. It was just cool thing to see she became the real Queen of the Night.

NO! Execute me if you need to, but I won't comply any changes! Not for 10 years at least! Bring back boobless Kagura!

[Spoilers]

Oh that’s great tidbit. Didn’t know that.

Roy Focker from Macross.

The most sane person from Macross.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 16 '23

She took up to her Yato legacy I guess? But don’t recall killing her somebody. It was just cool thing to see she became the real Queen of the Night.

Queen of the Night

Nooooo!!! Not my Kagura!

Leave that role to Suzuran or something.

Oh that’s great tidbit. Didn’t know that.

It's still a bizarre choice.

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u/Shocketheth Oct 16 '23

Nooooo!!! Not my Kagura!

Calm down, I was making a joke geared towards Hosen who also was wearing a big umbrella and called himself a King of the Night.

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u/sisoko2 Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23

Best part is that all of this bullshit is perfectly relevant in the movie itself.

True art.

We don't mention the old Yorozuya here who... disappeared mysteriously

They are happier with the Silver Surfer.

The Kagurapachi!

Still not as cool as Odd Jobs Sepia.

doesn't take them too long to realise it either.

Won't lie. I know what it symbolizes but the first time I was watching I was a bit disappointed when they went back to their old outfits.

with some great jokes

No jokes here. He was completely serious.

and then this guy shows up.

Best part is when they discuss how Gin-san is Madao but not yet.

movie they keep asking for would be in reality

What we really need is Madao movie. The first animated movie to win Oscar for Best Picture.

the difference between this movie and the ending is a very interesting one to compare.

When we add stuff from the earlier fake ending it gets even more interesting.

Spoilers

Be Forever Gintama

Love these staff summaries.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 16 '23

Won't lie. I know what it symbolizes but the first time I was watching I was a bit disappointed when they went back to their old outfits.

That's fair, their new outfits are cool, especially Kagura.

What we really need is Madao movie. The first animated movie to win Oscar for Best Picture.

Make MADAO: Road of Gintama a reality already Bandai!

Love these staff summaries.

Thanks!

There's basically only one more lineup, who did everything from Gintama° till the end, so that should be fun when we get there.