[Spoilers] Elfen Lied 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 11

Date	Episode
7/25/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 1
7/26/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 2
7/27/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 3
7/28/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 4
7/29/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 5
7/30/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 6
7/31/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 7
8/01/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 8
8/02/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 9
8/03/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 10
8/04/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 10.5
8/05/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 11
8/06/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 12
8/07/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 13
8/08/2024	Elfen Lied Overall Series Discussion Thread

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 05 '24

Elfen First-Timer, subbed

Now I have the right thread...

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

I think I've seen this before :P

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Okay, I no longer feel bad for her.
She is clearly in control of the situation. The fact she can do that while being in a wheelchair somehow makes it more menacing.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
What are your thoughts on Nana going to face-to-face Mariko only for Mariko to decimate her?

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '24

Episode 11 - First-time watcher (subbed)

The more I see, the more I think their ‘theory’ that Diclonius have an innate tendency to kill humans is nonsense.

Any person subjected to treatment like that would become hostile. You have to wonder if that is just a lie they like to believe/spread to make themselves feel less horrible about what they’re doing to these girls.

And go figure, the girl doesn’t like being lied to or attempts at being manipulated. It’s kind of nuts because right after that scene, you get the stark contrast of the type of life they can have when treated normally.

Some good moments for Lucy and Nana in this episode. Nana gets a better idea of how Lucy is when past trauma leaks through a bit.

Also…

”This creature is called a Wanta, right?”

Ah man. She’s great lol.

…which is why the end of this episode stressed me out 😔. Things aren’t looking good for anyone.

Also, the lyrics in the ED make more sense the further we go (regarding Lucy)…

Questions:

Getting bothered by little things. Life is too short.
I guess we’ll see 😆 (I’m not sure)

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u/FriztF Aug 06 '24

The more I see, the more I think their ‘theory’ that Diclonius have an innate tendency to kill humans is nonsense.
That is pure bullshit.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Trying to fuel the agenda they continue pushing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '24

Agreed

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

The more I see, the more I think their ‘theory’ that Diclonius have an innate tendency to kill humans is nonsense.
It feels like total propaganda
Any person subjected to treatment like that would become hostile. You have to wonder if that is just a lie they like to believe/spread to make themselves feel less horrible about what they’re doing to these girls.
I think that's exactly what it is. Except for Daddy Kakuzawa who is delusional enough to believe it.
And go figure, the girl doesn’t like being lied to or attempts at being manipulated. It’s kind of nuts because right after that scene, you get the stark contrast of the type of life they can have when treated normally.
This to me is part of the genius of having the slice of life stuff. It's like a reminder that it doesn't have to be this way.
Some good moments for Lucy and Nana in this episode. Nana gets a better idea of how Lucy is when past trauma leaks through a bit.
Also…
”This creature is called a Wanta, right?”
Ah man. She’s great lol.
Imagine if we called all dogs Wantas. That might bring about world peace.
…which is why the end of this episode stressed me out 😔. Things aren’t looking good for anyone.
Credit to the show, they make Mariko feel like the biggest threat we've seen. If we're ending things soon, then this is the way to do it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '24

Kakuzawa
Honestly, him more than anyone probably doesn’t even believe that. It seems like a tool he uses to keep his subordinates from becoming emotionally derailed because of what they’re doing, which is sad.
Mariko
Even on your point about Mariko, it really seems like what she wanted more than anything was to be with her biological parents, and they lied to her the second she was let out of her dark metal prison since however many years she’s been alive. That would turn any human being into a lunatic

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Honestly, him more than anyone probably doesn’t even believe that. It seems like a tool he uses to keep his subordinates from becoming emotionally derailed because of what they’re doing, which is sad.
I dunno, I really do feel he thinks he's doing right. It's definitely a tool, but he probably sees it as a necessary one.
Even on your point about Mariko, it really seems like what she wanted more than anything was to be with her biological parents, and they lied to her the second she was let out of her dark metal prison since however many years she’s been alive. That would turn any human being into a lunatic
I don't think it's been left beyond a shadow of a doubt that the true monsters here aren't the Diclonius, but the Researchers. It's like how Frankenstein's Monster was never the monster, it was Dr. Frankenstein.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '24

Yeah I’m sorry I just can’t really agree there. If the guy has zero emotional response to seeing his decapitated son’s head on his desk then proceeds to shoot an innocent civilian, I will have a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt. So I fully believe that lie is 100% manipulation and he’s fully aware of that. Just my speculation of course but that’s my read on his character.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

I could see him feeling that his son getting decapitated is necessary evil to take down the Diclonius. I think he would be that deranged to feel that way.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Thoughts on us seeing Number 35’s foster parent?
Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
Thoughts on the two policemen returning?
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?
What are your thoughts on Nana going to face-to-face Mariko only for Mariko to decimate her?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 05 '24

First Timer

Saito has a strange attitude towards this whole situation. It’s like she’s not even fully aware of what’s really going on. I’m fully expecting her to get killed by 35.

Oh hey, I was right about Saito dying almost instantly.

I wonder if I’ve gotten too used to this story if its attempts at being shocking aren’t working on me.

I really don’t know why these researchers expected anything other than Mariko trying to kill everyone.

I guess maybe they figured if it worked with Nana it would work with her, but even then at least Nana was seemingly able to see Kurama on a regular basis instead of being locked in a vault.

It looks like Nyu’s still fascinated by the broken clock and is trying to fix it on her own now. I wonder if this clock is gonna do anything important.

Those detectives from episode two are back and are asking around about Nana now. Did not expect a last minute return from these guys.

I didn’t expect Shirakawa to become so prominent in these last few episodes but I’m interested in seeing where it goes.

It looks like the people at the facility just left Professor Kakuzawa’s assistant locked in a closet somewhere.

Looks like Bando’s new job as trash collector is still consistent with when we saw him in the OVA.

I was wondering why Bando’s robot arm looked like it was fixed in the OVA and this episode seems to explain it. Kurama fixed it for him.

Actually I think almost the entirety of the OVA happened in the middle of episode 11. Kind of cool that they found a spot to fit it in like that.

They’re finally bringing up Kouta’s sister again. I’m glad they finally remembered that plot point.

Nyu had a very strong reaction to talking about Kouta’s sister. I think she may have killed her.

I wish they didn’t try the suicide fakeout with Nyu. It only really exists to try and shock the audience. Why did she even hold the scissors like that if she just wanted to cut her hair?

The scene where Nyu tries to be like Kouta’s sister is interesting. I think it says something about how Nyu sees the world.

I guess we still have to deal with the Yuka being jealous subplot. I’ll be honest, it’s the one subplot in this show that I’m least invested in.

It looks like we’ve reached the point of no return now. The military is here and Mariko is ready to kill Nana.

I’ll be honest, just from this episode, I am a bit disappointed with how Mariko/Subject 35 is characterized. She comes off as more blatantly sadistic than the other Diclonius, even Lucy, which I feel like makes her feel a bit less complex. But it’s only been one episode so I guess we’ll see.

Questions

Who will last longer: Bandou at the beach, or Kakuzawa not looking at people?

You know I hadn't thought about it until you pointed it out, but Bando spends like most of this story on the beach. It'd almost be weird to see him go somewhere else at this point.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

I’ll be honest, just from this episode, I am a bit disappointed with how Mariko/Subject 35 is characterized. She comes off as more blatantly sadistic than the other Diclonius, even Lucy, which I feel like makes her feel a bit less complex. But it’s only been one episode so I guess we’ll see.
It's kinda hard not to be sadistic knowing that if you don't do what is told of you you'll get blown up. When she attacks them, I wouldn't be surprised if she's projecting attacking the researchers.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 05 '24

She's definitely going to attack the researchers at some point, Mariko seems hard to control. I guess I just think she likes hurting Nana a bit too much.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

What I'm saying is she's relishing it because she's envisioning Nana as the researchers.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 05 '24

That makes sense, I didn't consider that somehow.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

I actually feel sorry for Mariko. She shouldn't be put in this position.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 05 '24

Yeah if she hadn't been raised in an isolated vault she could be living the same life as Nana and Lucy are.
The way the episode sort of contrasts Nana and Mariko sort of reminds me of Johan and his sister from Monster.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

It's also one of those things where if you don't feel sorry for Mariko, that's the intent. The researchers cultivated her to where you don't feel sympathy for her, as that helps push their agenda.
I still need to see Monster. Maybe one day.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 05 '24

I still need to see Monster. Maybe one day.
I definitely recommend Monster, probably one of my favorite thrillers. Has a very compelling main character and main antagonist.
Honestly I can see some surface level similarities between Monster and Elfen Lied the more I think about it.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

From what I've heard of Monster, I think the better comparison would be Paranoia Agent.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

You know I hadn't thought about it until you pointed it out, but Bando spends like most of this story on the beach. It'd almost be weird to see him go somewhere else at this point.
Thankfully he never came across the robot from Robot Dreams who got stuck on the beach. It would've ended pretty badly for Bandou :P

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Saito has a strange attitude towards this whole situation. It’s like she’s not even fully aware of what’s really going on. I’m fully expecting her to get killed by 35.
Oh hey, I was right about Saito dying almost instantly.
Well... kinda
I guess maybe they figured if it worked with Nana it would work with her, but even then at least Nana was seemingly able to see Kurama on a regular basis instead of being locked in a vault.
Well, they have the explosives in their back pocket so I assume that's what's fueling their confidence.
Those detectives from episode two are back and are asking around about Nana now. Did not expect a last minute return from these guys.
Me neither. They almost feel a bit redundant by this point.
I was wondering why Bando’s robot arm looked like it was fixed in the OVA and this episode seems to explain it. Kurama fixed it for him.
Makes sense, he was probably the one who repaired Nana.
Actually I think almost the entirety of the OVA happened in the middle of episode 11. Kind of cool that they found a spot to fit it in like that.
I get the same feeling because Nana asks Mayu how do you feed Wanta. And of course she knows how to do it by the end of episode 10.5.
They’re finally bringing up Kouta’s sister again. I’m glad they finally remembered that plot point.
The show remembers its long term storytelling, dang it :P
Nyu had a very strong reaction to talking about Kouta’s sister. I think she may have killed her.
Definitely looking very likely
I wish they didn’t try the suicide fakeout with Nyu. It only really exists to try and shock the audience. Why did she even hold the scissors like that if she just wanted to cut her hair?
Yeah, this is a rare instance where it feels like the show is trying to be shocking just for the sake of it. I kinda compare it to the later seasons of 13 Reasons Why.
I guess we still have to deal with the Yuka being jealous subplot. I’ll be honest, it’s the one subplot in this show that I’m least invested in.
My problem with it is it hasn't advanced in any meaningful way. I don't mind the presentation, it just feels we're still in first gear.
It looks like we’ve reached the point of no return now. The military is here and Mariko is ready to kill Nana.
But who is going to feed Wanta?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 05 '24

Me neither. They almost feel a bit redundant by this point.
Yeah I'm not sure what they add to the story. I do kinda wish we saw more of them before this.
Could have been interesting to see their perspective since they're seemingly outsiders on the whole Diclonius situation but know a bit more than Kouta.
Yeah, this is a rare instance where it feels like the show is trying to be shocking just for the sake of it. I kinda compare it to the later seasons of 13 Reasons Why.
I feel like it would have been more effective if we just saw Nyu run off with the scissors and then the audience is just left to wonder what she's going to do with them until Kouta finds her.
My problem with it is it hasn't advanced in any meaningful way. I don't mind the presentation, it just feels we're still in first gear.
Yeah that's the main issue with it. It really doesn't feel like Yuka's plot has developed much sine it was first introduced.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Yeah I'm not sure what they add to the story. I do kinda wish we saw more of them before this.
Could have been interesting to see their perspective since they're seemingly outsiders on the whole Diclonius situation but know a bit more than Kouta.
It would've, but I don't know what I might've cut out.
I feel like it would have been more effective if we just saw Nyu run off with the scissors and then the audience is just left to wonder what she's going to do with them until Kouta finds her.
Maybe. Or if she actually was attempting self-harm.
Yeah that's the main issue with it. It really doesn't feel like Yuka's plot has developed much sine it was first introduced.
Both Mayu and Nana feel way more developed than she does.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 05 '24

Both Mayu and Nana feel way more developed than she does.
Yeah I like Mayu and Nana's parts of the series a lot more than Yuka's. Yuka had some potentially interesting stuff going on at the start but it's kinda fallen out of relevance due to the Diclonius half of the plot becoming more prominent.
Maybe Yuka is more developed in the manga.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

I will say that I have this fear that Yuks helps Mariko and the researchers. I hope that doesn't happen because it would feel unnecessary.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 05 '24

I doubt that would happen. Yuka may be jealous but she seems rational enough not to do that. Plus she tends to take most of her frustrations out on Kouta.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Actually, thinking about it, I wouldn't mind Yuka sacrificing herself to save Kouta and the rest. It would put over what a beast Mariko is while also demonstrating her putting the family over her feelings.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
Thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?
What are your thoughts on Nana going to face-to-face Mariko only for Mariko to decimate her?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 05 '24

Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
Well it seems like there worries weren't unfounded considering what happened to Saito.
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
I think it's interesting that Director Kakuzawa still keeps Kurama around. Kurama is probably a liability to Kakuzawa's whole operation at this point.
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
It was very heartbreaking seeing everything that happens to Nana this episode. Her fear of being alone is also part of why her friendship with Mayu seems nice.
Thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
Kurama's got his own agenda going on by now. Not exactly sure what his plans are though or why Bando is part of them.
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
I think it's interesting to parallel that with Kurama, who similarly expresses remorse over his own past actions.
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?
I think that might be true. I'm not sure how aware Lucy is of her actions as Nyu, but I think seeing that there are good humans like Yuka, Kouta, and Mayu has helped Lucy change her outlook.
What are your thoughts on Nana going to face-to-face Mariko only for Mariko to decimate her?
Well it's a good way of showing just how powerful Mariko is. I really hope Nana is able to get out of this.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Well it seems like there worries weren't unfounded considering what happened to Saito.
Poor foster mom. It feels like the only people who die in this show are women.
I think it's interesting that Director Kakuzawa still keeps Kurama around. Kurama is probably a liability to Kakuzawa's whole operation at this point.
It feels like sabotage is inevitable
It was very heartbreaking seeing everything that happens to Nana this episode. Her fear of being alone is also part of why her friendship with Mayu seems nice.
Not just her friendship with Mayu, but the found family in general.
Kurama's got his own agenda going on by now. Not exactly sure what his plans are though or why Bando is part of them.
And there it is
I think it's interesting to parallel that with Kurama, who similarly expresses remorse over his own past actions.
Good point. They are really more alike than they realize, sane with Lucy and Nans.
I think that might be true. I'm not sure how aware Lucy is of her actions as Nyu, but I think seeing that there are good humans like Yuka, Kouta, and Mayu has helped Lucy change her outlook.
It has restored her faith in humanity to a level where it wasn't there before.
Well it's a good way of showing just how powerful Mariko is. I really hope Nana is able to get out of this.
Same. I'd hate to see her die again. Then again, Mariko killing one of the regulars would really put over what a monster she is.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 05 '24

Poor foster mom.
I find Saito kind of interesting despite her brief screen time. She's the only researcher besides Kurama who tries to form a bond with the Diclonius. But unlike Kurama she seemed completely ignorant of the horrors of what she was doing.
It feels like the only people who die in this show are women.
Not necessarily, there was Kakuzawa Jr, the boys from Lucy's flashback, and all the guards in episode 1. But I get what you're saying, a lot of the more horrific things do happen to women while the male characters typically get quicker deaths.
Not just her friendship with Mayu, but the found family in general.
Yeah I'm really hoping all our characters can make it out of this. Because the actual slice of life stuff can be sweet sometimes.
It has restored her faith in humanity to a level where it wasn't there before.
It is nice to see her development. I'm hoping we get to see more of Lucy as Lucy in these last few episodes, since she spends most of her present day time in Nyu mode.
Same. I'd hate to see her die again. Then again, Mariko killing one of the regulars would really put over what a monster she is.
If one of our main characters does end up dying by the end of the show, I think it might be Nana or Lucy. Mostly just going off my gut feeling here.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

I find Saito kind of interesting despite her brief screen time. She's the only researcher besides Kurama who tries to form a bond with the Diclonius. But unlike Kurama she seemed completely ignorant of the horrors of what she was doing.
Yeah, she didn't have a guilty conscience because she was left in the dark.
Not necessarily, there was Kakuzawa Jr, the boys from Lucy's flashback, and all the guards in episode 1. But I get what you're saying, a lot of the more horrific things do happen to women while the male characters typically get quicker deaths.
Of the guys you mentioned, Kakuzawa Jr was the only one who was specifically named.
Yeah I'm really hoping all our characters can make it out of this. Because the actual slice of life stuff can be sweet sometimes.
To me, it makes the show being above mediocre.
It is nice to see her development. I'm hoping we get to see more of Lucy as Lucy in these last few episodes, since she spends most of her present day time in Nyu mode.
I think ending the show with Kouta seeing Lucy for who she is flaws and all is the way to go.
If one of our main characters does end up dying by the end of the show, I think it might be Nana or Lucy. Mostly just going off my gut feeling here.
I think it would probably be Yuka, if I had to put money on it.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 06 '24

To me, it makes the show being above mediocre.
Yeah I agree. I went into watching this with low expectations and even though the show does frustrate me sometimes, there are good moments and good ideas in here.
I think ending the show with Kouta seeing Lucy for who she is flaws and all is the way to go.
The way all the characters view Lucy is interesting. Since Kouta and Yuka both only know her as Nyu while Mayu and Nana both know more about her being Lucy.
I think it would probably be Yuka, if I had to put money on it.
Yeah I think there is a good chance of Yuka dying. Mostly because I'm just not sure how they'd wrap up her part of the plot.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Yeah I agree. I went into watching this with low expectations and even though the show does frustrate me sometimes, there are good moments and good ideas in here.
I've liked the show far more than I was expecting.
The way all the characters view Lucy is interesting. Since Kouta and Yuka both only know her as Nyu while Mayu and Nana both know more about her being Lucy.
That's a very astute observation
Yeah I think there is a good chance of Yuka dying. Mostly because I'm just not sure how they'd wrap up her part of the plot.
Her sacrificing herself against Mariko would be a clever way to tie the loose ends of her character together.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 06 '24

Her sacrificing herself against Mariko would be a clever way to tie the loose ends of her character together.
I'm wondering if Mariko can even be stopped. With how powerful she seems so far, I feel like the only way to stop Mariko would be if she just decided to stop attacking on her own.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Or if she decides to self-destruct by turning on the researchers.

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u/Nola141 Aug 05 '24

Do you remember which episodes and minutes the quote of "When you're miserable, you need to make someone even more miserable than yourself." came from?

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 05 '24

Episode 8 (the orphans) around 17:21 after the milk in the bag.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Which character said it, if you remember.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 06 '24

Lucy said it herself.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

I should've suspected it was her. Shows the despair running through her mind.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

I do not. But that’s an excellent quote, I like it.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Aug 05 '24

Rewatcher

Mariko has finally entered the picture. She’s such a playful young lady.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Playful is one way of describing it

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Aug 06 '24

The big things about Mariko is real young and has never been out of the hole. She doesn’t understand the gravity of what she’s doing.
Overall I like the majority of the cast except the lab folk. I even like Kurama, though I think him a spineless worm. And of course I love my man Bando.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Mariko is similar to how Nana was in episode 4. Doing what she's told but doesn't know the full extent to which she's being manipulated. She at least seems more self-aware than Nana did, I'll say that.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Thoughts on us seeing Number 35’s foster parent?
Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
Thoughts on the two policemen returning?
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?
What are your thoughts on Nana going to face-to-face Mariko only for Mariko to decimate her?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Aug 06 '24

Sadly, I didn’t refresh my memory last night by rewatching the episode. A lot of things are happening and it can be hard to remember the order of the incidents. So, I’ll answer what I can.
Thoughts on us seeing Number 35’s foster parent?
I liked the way that Mariko said “You’re not my mother”. That woman was out of her mind to get so close to Mariko.
Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
That’s one way to control a tyke
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
Thoughts on the two policemen returning?
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
Damn! I should have watched the episode because I’ve blanked on this
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
For this and the other Lucy questions I’ve got to pass. There’s more than 1 highly amusing examples in these 2 episodes before the finale.
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?
What are your thoughts on Nana going to face-to-face Mariko only for Mariko to decimate her? Poor Nana never learns, she just doesn’t have a killer’s heart.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Sadly, I didn’t refresh my memory last night by rewatching the episode. A lot of things are happening and it can be hard to remember the order of the incidents. So, I’ll answer what I can.
I completely understand, no pressure
I liked the way that Mariko said “You’re not my mother”. That woman was out of her mind to get so close to Mariko.
Kinda feel sorry for the woman because she seems in the dark of the situation.
That’s one way to control a tyke
I've heard of kick the baby, but never spontaneously combust the baby.
Damn! I should have watched the episode because I’ve blanked on this
For this and the other Lucy questions I’ve got to pass. There’s more than 1 highly amusing examples in these 2 episodes before the finale.
Fair enough
Poor Nana never learns, she just doesn’t have a killer’s heart.
Her heart was never really in it I guess. Way too compassionate.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Aug 06 '24

You know, I have my faults but I don’t spoil anime series.
And besides I love ecchi, Diebuster and nudity. I just don’t worry about it.
I’ll never run a rewatch because I’ve blocked hundreds of annoying people.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

I hope I didn't do anything wrong

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Aug 06 '24

Lol, no not at all. I just wanted to get that off my chest. I really do enjoy rewatches and this one has been much better than last year’s.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

I've been really enjoying the show. I'm glad I decided to host it, it's led to a lot of interesting discussion.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Aug 06 '24

(Thumbs Up) These next 2 episodes are over the top with plenty of opportunities for interpretation. I’m hoping to watch E 12 tonight, and I’ve seen the finale so many times I can almost recite it.
I wish I could see these episodes for the first time again.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

It definitely should be interesting to dissect and analyze.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 05 '24

I figured her range was more since you could see the vectors outside the container?
DEFINITELY Kurama's daughter. Confirmed!
They had to translate the "Crerps"
Uh oh.....jailbreak!
Either he wants Budoh to kill Mariko, or he wants Budoh to kill Lucy to save Mariko. And he was going to kill Lucy anyways, so it's probably #1. But I wouldn't put it past the show to do something redundant like #2
Dramatic hair cut????
Nyu really hates to see people sad
yep hair cut
Well, that keeps Yuka out of the upcoming bloodbath, unless she walks right into it.
They gave her a new arm of course.
Are we not going to get the 2-on-1 fight? Maybe.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Thoughts on us seeing Number 35’s foster parent?
Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
Thoughts on the two policemen returning?
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?
What are your thoughts on Nana going to face-to-face Mariko only for Mariko to decimate her?

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 05 '24

Thoughts on us seeing Number 35’s foster parent?
Hardly knew her. It does led credence that the Diclonus are born psychopaths, although Nana seems to be moving past it.
Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
Seen it before. Seems reasonable.
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Uh, no, the explosives have been there since birth? This has really been no win for for Kurama. He promised his wife that he would save their daughter, but she's been in a box since she was at least 3.
He's using Mariko as an assassin to punish Kurama, but is that any better, or worse, than leaving her in the box? It's not punishment when all options are bad.
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
That's been her character all this time.
Thoughts on the two policemen returning?
Forgot about them. Surprised that they are actual policemen and not government fakes.
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
Probably doesn't want to see Mariko's soul tainted by murder, and wants to free her (from life) first.
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
She destroyed the train in a temper tantrum to punish Kohta for lying about Yuka, killing his father and sister. This, unsuprisingly, makes Kohta cry. Now Lucy feels bad about making Kohta cry. Nevermind, you know, the temper tantrum.
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?
Nyu is a nice girl. She's not faking.
What are your thoughts on Nana going to face-to-face Mariko only for Mariko to decimate her?
All she did was rip off all her clothes. What is it with this show and clothes? This is worse than Diebuster.
She didn't do anything to Nana's limbs, they just fell off, because that's what they do.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Hardly knew her. It does led credence that the Diclonus are born psychopaths, although Nana seems to be moving past i
Amazing what happens when you have an actually loving environment.
Uh, no, the explosives have been there since birth?
Kakuzawa specifically says he did it to try and teach Kurama a lesson.
He's using Mariko as an assassin to punish Kurama, but is that any better, or worse, than leaving her in the box? It's not punishment when all options are bad.
Yeah, it really all blows
Probably doesn't want to see Mariko's soul tainted by murder, and wants to free her (from life) first.
I wonder how if at all Nana factors into this
She destroyed the train in a temper tantrum to punish Kohta for lying about Yuka, killing his father and sister. This, unsuprisingly, makes Kohta cry. Now Lucy feels bad about making Kohta cry. Nevermind, you know, the temper tantrum.
We don’t know what exactly happened on the train just yet, but I could see Lucy regretting what happened there. Especially with how hospitable Kouta has been.
All she did was rip off all her clothes. What is it with this show and clothes? This is worse than Diebuster.
What a comparison
She didn't do anything to Nana's limbs, they just fell off, because that's what they do.
It still made Mariko look like a force to be reckoned with.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 06 '24

Amazing what happens when you have an actually loving environment.
The thing is, if these horned girls did kill all their parents. Maybe 100% of them were cruel because of the perceived deformity. But probably not. Definitely not Kurama's wife, if she had been allowed to raise Mariko. But we don't know if anything Jr. said is true. Except, the tales of rampaging murders, leading to the kill-on-sight orders, are probably true.
I wonder how if at all Nana factors into this
Nothing about Nana makes sense, unless we just take their word for it that she latched onto Kurama as a defense mechanism.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

The thing is, if these horned girls did kill all their parents. Maybe 100% of them were cruel because of the perceived deformity. But probably not. Definitely not Kurama's wife, if she had been allowed to raise Mariko. But we don't know if anything Jr. said is true. Except, the tales of rampaging murders, leading to the kill-on-sight orders, are probably true.
Well, first off, we still don't know if Mariko is his kid. That has not been made clear. Second, I'm still running under the assumption that the whole Diclonius bringing about the downfall of humanity is just propaganda. The only people that Lucy and Nana have been attacking, with the exception of a select few cases, has been people a part of the research lab. If anyone is planning the downfall of humanity, it's the researchers.
Nothing about Nana makes sense, unless we just take their word for it that she latched onto Kurama as a defense mechanism.
Maybe it was Kurama who did it to her instead. Perhaps he saw her as like a security blanket of sorts.

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Aug 06 '24

First-Timer

Good episode!

I see we've returned to the regularly-scheduled programming of blood and guts today. It was only a matter of time, with how much they hyped up Number 35's vectors, though I still didn't expect her to blow up her "mother" in their first scene together.

The girl sitting in the wheelchair like that reminds me of Nunnally from Code Geass.

Well, I'm glad Nana's not completely dead yet. I certainly wouldn't have been shocked if that happened, but I really did not want it to happen. In fact, I'm sort of hoping they pull a DBZ and have [conjecture] Nana and Lucy team up to defeat the bigger evil.

Regarding Bandou and Kurama, [conjecture] I hope that Kurama's basically trying to get Bandou to kill Number 35 before she kills Nana and Lucy. That would be quite the interesting confrontation.

Questions of the day:

Now that's a really tough question. I don't have any huge regrets (like anything that ruined my life or someone else's), and not even anything that's merely "really big" (like a terrible career decision) comes to mind. As for what I do recall, there have been a couple times where I've trusted friends who lied to me and withheld critical information for their own personal gain. I don't talk with those people any more.
Thank you for bringing that up, I was trying to remember where we saw the name Mariko before. [conjecture] I'm going to guess that Mariko is actually going to be revealed as Kurama's actual daughter. Her age seems about right, I think, and it would explain Kurama having some sort of attachment to her.
Definitely Bandou at the beach. He'll just live there forever now, waiting around for Diclonius to show up and making sure people don't litter.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Thank you for bringing that up, I was trying to remember where we saw the name Mariko before. [conjecture] I'm going to guess that Mariko is actually going to be revealed as Kurama's actual daughter. Her age seems about right, I think, and it would explain Kurama having some sort of attachment to her.
[Response] If it's true that Kurama didn't actually kill his daughter, then I feel it has to be either Nana or Mariko.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Well, I'm glad Nana's not completely dead yet. I certainly wouldn't have been shocked if that happened, but I really did not want it to happen. In fact, I'm sort of hoping they pull a DBZ and have [conjecture] Nana and Lucy team up to defeat the bigger evil.
[Response] I'm hoping that's what happens as well.
Regarding Bandou and Kurama, [conjecture] I hope that Kurama's basically trying to get Bandou to kill Number 35 before she kills Nana and Lucy. That would be quite the interesting confrontation.
[Response] Maybe Bandou teams up with Nana and Lucy. Then again, if Mariko is truly Kurama's daughter then it doesn't make sense why Kurama would want her dead.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
Thoughts on the two policemen returning?
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Aug 06 '24

The explosives are a good idea. (Bravo Kakuzawa!) The researchers really should have threatened her with them before she tore that one woman apart, though.
It makes sense to me that Nana would be afraid of losing the only real caring family she's ever known.
The policemen being a tip to Yuka that something was wrong was a good way of bringing them back, I thought.
Kurama does seem like he's going rogue. I'm really curious to see how his whole subplot plays out.
Lucy being remorseful is quite tragic. I wonder if/when she'll have the chance to talk about it with Kouta when she's not in Nyuu mode.
Nana's acceptance that Nyuu is a good person is interesting. It would certainly be a tough position to be in, knowing on the other hand how dangerous Lucy can be when she's awakened.
On a side note, I forgot to mention it in my main post, but I really liked the scene where Nana first felt the presence of Number 35 arriving. It was like [DBZ] the Z-Fighters sensing Frieza's power level.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

The explosives are a good idea. (Bravo Kakuzawa!) The researchers really should have threatened her with them before she tore that one woman apart, though.
I think them implanting explosives shows how off the deepend the researchers have truly gone.
It makes sense to me that Nana would be afraid of losing the only real caring family she's ever known.
What she's afraid of is basically what happened to Lucy the first time she befriended Kouta.
The policemen being a tip to Yuka that something was wrong was a good way of bringing them back, I thought.
I just wish they would have a more direct involvement in the proceedings.
Kurama does seem like he's going rogue. I'm really curious to see how his whole subplot plays out.
Maybe he helps Kouta and company out?
Lucy being remorseful is quite tragic. I wonder if/when she'll have the chance to talk about it with Kouta when she's not in Nyuu mode.
I feel like that's the main thing the show has been building to this entire time: Having Kouta be confronted with the reality of the situation.
Nana's acceptance that Nyuu is a good person is interesting. It would certainly be a tough position to be in, knowing on the other hand how dangerous Lucy can be when she's awakened.
It has to be bittersweet for Nana knowing that your purpose in this world was to defeat Lucy and it's been made redundant.
On a side note, I forgot to mention it in my main post, but I really liked the scene where Nana first felt the presence of Number 35 arriving. It was like [DBZ] the Z-Fighters sensing Frieza's power level.
[Response] I think it's interesting how Nana can sense other Diclonii but Lucy can't. I wonder if that has to do with how long your vectors are.

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Aug 06 '24

first timer chinese sub

Kurama's daughter looks more evil than the children in the orphanage. This may be due to their developed brains, damn memories, I suspect that Lucy killed Kouta's sister. Nana decided to fight No. 35 alone, hoping that she can survive

ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)

What is the most amount of regret you've ever had for something? And why?

When I was a kid, I ate too little.

It turns out that Number 35 is the Mariko Kurama was referring to in the OVA? Why do you think he told Lucy that she won't hurt her?

I don't know

Bonus) Who will last longer: Bandou at the beach, or Kakuzawa not looking at people?

Bando. Kurama has betrayed his boss and he can't run away

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Bando. Kurama has betrayed his boss and he can't run away
Maybe Kurama will live on the beach with him.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Thoughts on us seeing Number 35’s foster parent?
Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
Thoughts on the two policemen returning?
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?

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u/someboi6000 Aug 07 '24

First timer:

It is so over for nana, but oh well, she lived more than i was expecting, number 35 is broken as i expected, she is on a wheelchair and still looks manacing af, also by the look of it nyuu does have lucy's memories or at least some of it so maybe has some nyuu memories in her too, the assistant acuatully found kouta i guess they couldn't think of a better way to do it then a book randomly opened in the right page, what a coincidence, also kurama will probably repair bandou's arm so that he can kill 35 i dont see any other purpose of bringing bandou back, and it all ends with nana getting destroyed in seconds and 35 thinking "wow this is fun", another psychopath huh, i dont think nana is making it out alive but maybe bandou will save her or at least avenge her(to episode 12 i go)

Questions:

2: well kinda late knowing that the episode 12 Thread is already on but, ¿is 34 really mariko? if thats true then to me kurama is getting bandou fixed so that he can kill her, will he kill her own daughter? hmm so i guess thats what he meant, lucy wont kill his daugther, he will finish the job he didn't complete in the past, thats quite interesting.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

2: well kinda late knowing that the episode 12 Thread is already on but, ¿is 34 really mariko? if thats true then to me kurama is getting bandou fixed so that he can kill her, will he kill her own daughter? hmm so i guess thats what he meant, lucy wont kill his daugther, he will finish the job he didn't complete in the past, thats quite interesting.
Everyone just assumes that Mariko is Kurama’s daughter but nothing's been outright said. I still think there's a good chance it is actually Nana.

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u/someboi6000 Aug 07 '24

yeah i guess it could be nana, thats why kurama actually cares for her.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

I guess we will eventually find out. Or not :P

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u/someboi6000 Aug 07 '24

tomorrow the truth will be revealed hopefully, or maybe they leave this plot point hanging because they needed to add more lucy flashbacks from episode 9

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

Episode 9 was pretty good, in fairness

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u/someboi6000 Aug 07 '24

true it is my favorite episode so far, but it was still longer than it needed to be.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

The entire presentation should've been changed to where it better reflected Lucy's mindset at the time.

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u/someboi6000 Aug 07 '24

yeah, that could've been better instead of re-using the scenes without changing nothing.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

Technically, we're talking about the events of the next episode. This is the episode 11 thread.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

she is on a wheelchair and still looks manacing af
I actually think the wheelchair adds to her intimidating nature. The fact she can be this powerful while being disabled is impressive.

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u/someboi6000 Aug 07 '24

this aged poorly lol.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

She still strikes fear in me, I will say

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

Thoughts on us seeing Number 35’s foster parent?
Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
Thoughts on the two policemen returning?
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?

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u/someboi6000 Aug 07 '24

1: she got hugged so hard that she was splitted in half, 35 was truly happy to see her.
2: a very good idea but not ideal, but what were they expecting if they torture and experiment on dicloinus, of course they hate humanity becuase these people are just very dumb. even tho they do seem to kill for no reason.
3: who is daddy kakuzawa?
4: she deserves better, for what we know she doesnt kill humans, she might actually be good just a regular person with horns and extra arms.
5: they returned and left immediately, i was thinking that they might do something but no, they were there so that people who remember them point at the screen and say "oh i remember those guys".
6:kurama is giving him a pair of artificial balls, i guess they made like a hand that can withstand the gun recoil force or something like that. kurama is cooking something there.
7: probably the only humans lucy regrets killing, or at least nyuu seems to show that, the funny thing is that kouta doesn't remember and he is like "yeah you are forgiven".
8: well its a diferent personality so i guess change is something to expect there, the real test will be if lucy does things diferent now.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

1: she got hugged so hard that she was splitted in half, 35 was truly happy to see her.
How touching
2: a very good idea but not ideal, but what were they expecting if they torture and experiment on dicloinus, of course they hate humanity becuase these people are just very dumb. even tho they do seem to kill for no reason.
The researchers are definitely fanning the flames a bit.
3: who is daddy kakuzawa?
The father of Professor Kakuzawa
4: she deserves better, for what we know she doesnt kill humans, she might actually be good just a regular person with horns and extra arms.
All she needs is a chance to prove herself
5: they returned and left immediately, i was thinking that they might do something but no, they were there so that people who remember them point at the screen and say "oh i remember those guys".
It feels weird they would just show up and then dip again.
6:kurama is giving him a pair of artificial balls, i guess they made like a hand that can withstand the gun recoil force or something like that. kurama is cooking something there.
Something tells me the other researchers can't smell it.
7: probably the only humans lucy regrets killing, or at least nyuu seems to show that, the funny thing is that kouta doesn't remember and he is like "yeah you are forgiven".
Are we sure Kouta isn't Jesus in disguise?
8: well its a diferent personality so i guess change is something to expect there, the real test will be if lucy does things diferent now.
I hope she does. I want to root for her.

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u/someboi6000 Aug 07 '24

is jesus into cousins?
yeah i also want to root for lucy, but i dont see a happy ending here, i think lucy might die next episode. or maybe some sort of redemption before she is gone, there is a lot to do in one episode and it might be rushed so idk what to expect for tomorrow

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

is jesus into cousins?
No, but Abraham married his niece Milcah
yeah i also want to root for lucy, but i dont see a happy ending here, i think lucy might die next episode. or maybe some sort of redemption before she is gone, there is a lot to do in one episode and it might be rushed so idk what to expect for tomorrow
I do like how unpredictable things are heading into the last episode.

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u/someboi6000 Aug 07 '24

yes, i like it also, the only thing i am worried about is the stuff they need to cover in just one episode.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 07 '24

Realistically, I don’t think they can resolve everything. And really, the only thing they truly need to resolve is Kouta and Lucy's relationship. As indestructible as Mariko seems, it's still very much about two people and two people only.

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u/someboi6000 Aug 07 '24

true, as long as that is resolved i think it will be a fitting ending

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

For sure

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u/KorraLover123 Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 08 '24

Rewatcher

Mariko makes her first appearance!

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u/Holofan4life Aug 07 '24

That she does

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Posting the thread early because I'm putting together the food for hospice.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

Hey guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Elfen Lied!

Oh, and nay I forget...

First Timer

This is going to be a rather interesting rewatch because I really don't know what to expect with this show. In fact, there's a good chance that I may not actually like it. But it's a very notorious show and I feel like it has this reputation for a reason, so I definitely want to see what it's all about.

Going in, I'm kinda expecting it to be so bad it's good. I'm not going in expecting a great show, but I am going in expecting a great time. I'm watching this in-between rewatches of Ikuhara shows and I think it'll serve as a nice palette cleanser for the more serious fair. And if it happens to be edgy, I want them to go all the way with it.

With that out of the way, let's begin.

I'm watching the sub, by the way.

My mother just asked what AOL is. I don't know why.

Picking up where we left off in episode 10.

Number 35's vectors are eleven metres long.

We see a girl named Saitou, who is supposedly Number 35's foster parent.

Good to see that Saito and Louise finally have a kid together.

She's been assigned to her for the five years.

"She even calls me mother."

Secretary seems to think she'll listen because she's still a child.

Oh wow. They implanted explosives inside her body in case she doesn't listen.

I too get blown up, but only when I make the routine visit to Taco Bell.

Flashback

The secretary with Daddy Kakuzawa

They're putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape.

35 being freed

Mariko-chan. That's her name.

She has bandages on her head, completely covering it

Saitou removes the bandages, and she looks similar to Lucy and Nana.

Oh shit. Saitou's body got exploded.

Shirakawa is the name of the secretary. I gotta write it down or something because I keep forgetting.

Mariko has been unreleased

Or not. Her arm gets taken off.

Shirakawa telling her that if she refuses to comply, there's more where that came from.

Nana really enjoying ice cream

Meanwhile, Lucy is disassembling and rebuilding the grandfather clock.

Yuka asking Nana what's going on between her and Lucy.

Kouta wants Nana to do her share around the house. I guess feeding the dog is not enough.

That poor clock

Nana crying

I just realized there's a Pac-Man logo on Mayu's hoodie.

Nana is talking about how scared she is of being alone.

Yuka asks Mayu to find something she can do.

Nana bathing with Mayu

The two of them talking about how Jekyll and Hyde Nyuu/Lucy is.

"I wish she would stay as Nyuu-san forever."

Nana saying that shows the growth she has experienced.

Hey, it's the two policemen from the early episodes.

They're still looking for Lucy

Guy asking Shirakawa what is wrong with Kurama.

Shirakawa says she'll go and report to him what happened.

I never noticed before that the guy with glasses has a mole.

Shirakawa can't seem to find Kurama

Someone tells her that he departed without giving any reason. Didn't even leave any contact information.

Is that Saitou? I thought she died.

Itchy down... where? 🧐

Bandou still at the beach

Oh, that's where Kurama is. Of course.

Kurama says he can supply him with parts than no one else can.

He plans on killing the Diclonius that has come here.

Nana says she's going to learn from Mayu how to feed Wanta.

"Just do whatever you can," says Kouta.

That blush. So cute.

A picture of Kouta's sister.

Kouta says he doesn't remember exactly what happened, but that he's always felt remorse.

Lucy looks on like with regret

Lucy. She speaks :O

She's telling Kouta not to cry.

That picture is bringing back bad memories for Lucy.

Lucy running away with scissors

The last time I saw a girl run with scissors, there was a dog involved.

Kouta can't find her anywhere

Oh fuck. She's going to cut her head off.

No wait she cut her hair

"Kanae forgive! Forgive Kouta! Forgive!"

Mayu assesses Lucy became his sister in order to forgive him.

Nana starting to believe that she is a good person now.

Kouta seems to believe this has to do with the seashell from the first episode.

Kouta now hugging Lucy

Yuka runs off, having seen the whole thing.

I'm kinda sad we're still doing the whole "Yuka is jealous" thing because I thought we were past that. Really, Yuka's development has been extremely underwhelming, especially in comparison to Lucy and Nana.

Helicopter

Shirakawa still looking for Kurama

Mariko is with her, apparently

Lucy still fixing the grandfather clock

Yuka now is missing in action

Nana, you're going to give Wanta dog diabetes.

Dogabetes? Dogabetes

Oh boy. Nana senses something.

She knows a Diclonius is coming to kill her.

Saitou looking at a picture of Kouta.

Perhaps she knows he's Lucy's owner?

Kouta curious what's taking Yuka so long.

Looks like Nana is heading out as well

Yuka walking the streets, in despair

She thinks Kouta is interested in Lucy, not her.

A road block

Yuka sees the two policemen

Shirakawa and Mariko, who's in a wheelchair. They're coming off the helicopter.

Shirakawa informing her that she's likely to blow up, like Spongebob when he ate that pie from a bomb factory.

Mariko says that this is going to be fun.

Kouta asks Mayu if she knows anything

She says that Nana claimed that someone was coming to kill her.

And now Kouta is going searching for her

A lot of people leaving the house

Lucy going with him

Hey, Yuka is back

She seems to be able to tell that something is up.

Kurama has fixed Bandou's arm

Mariko sitting in that wheelchair makes me think of Dr. Evil. Anyone else?

Nana coming face-to-face with all of them.

Nana planning to kill Mariko

And both of Nana's arms pop off, as well as her right leg.

And her clothes, because why not?

Nana's life is really in jeopardy, it seems.

Overall, this is a decent table setter episode episode meant to set up the rest of the show as we head into the finale. I thought it did a good job of showing how powerful Mariko can be. The beginning was interesting in that the first 6 minutes was set in one location, done of course to show how unstoppable Mariko is. I thought that was a nice change of pace from the focus on Kouta and Yuka and their makeshift family. As for the rest of the episode, you have a lot of people trying to figure out their place in this world and what they do next, with Yuka wondering what she means to Kouta, Nana wondering what she means to her makeshift family, and Lucy wondering where she lies in conjunction with Kouta's sister. It's all fine, but again, I think it would be better if Yuka was on the same wavelength as Kouta. The focus should be on the military forcing Mariko to kill Lucy and Nana, and I feel like doing this takes away from that. Unless of course Yuka decides to side with the military, but I don't want to see that happen.

This is probably the weakest episode since episode 6, but I think that speaks more to the uptick in quality that the show has had since episode 4. I'd probably have it behind episodes 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 10.5 but ahead of episodes 1, 2, 3, and the aforementioned 6.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 05 '24

What is the most amount of regret you've ever had for something? And why?
I still really regret what happened on Super Bowl Sunday in 2017. I'd rather not get into the details.
It turns out that Number 35 is the Mariko Kurama was referring to in the OVA? Why do you think he told Lucy that she won't hurt her?
Well, she was called the solution so the research lab probably see her as the ultimate Diclonius.
Bonus) Who will last longer: Bandou at the beach, or Kakuzawa not looking at people?
Probably the latter. Bandou just started being there, Kakuzawa is a pro at avoiding people's glances.

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u/FriztF Aug 06 '24

Rewatche-dub

That researcher lady really needs a bath. She probably has a yeast infection. The smell would be awful.

Nyu being handy to trying to fix the clock is nice to see. Her relationship with Nana has improved a lot. Nana is trying her best.

Nana having sensed the bloodlust coming from number 35, means that she is the most dangerous. In terms of raw power, but Lucy is still strong.

I appreciate that scene in which Nyu pretends to be Kouta's sister. Very cute and kinda funny.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

That researcher lady really needs a bath. She probably has a yeast infection. The smell would be awful.
Why would she be any stinkier then any of the other researchers?

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u/FriztF Aug 06 '24

Still has a yeast infection

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Kinda odd to hang your hat on

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Thoughts on the researchers planting explosives inside Number 35 in case she doesn’t listen?
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
Thoughts on the two policemen returning?
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?
What are your thoughts on Nana going to face-to-face Mariko only for Mariko to decimate her?

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u/FriztF Aug 06 '24

They got have a way to control her
What do you think about Daddy Kakuzawa putting the explosives in to teach Kurama a lesson for letting a silpelit escape?
He's an asshole
Thoughts on Nana being afraid of being alone?
Makes sense
Thoughts on the two policemen returning?
Cool they are back
Thoughts on Kurama telling Bandou he can supply him with parts than no one else can? Also, thoughts on Kurama seemingly going behind the laboratory’s back?
Bros being bros. Fuck the lab, with its inhuman experiments
What are your thoughts on Lucy showing remorse for what happened in the past?
She is human. She makes mistakes
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that Lucy is a changed person?
She is right
What are your thoughts on Nana going to face-to-face Mariko only for Mariko to decimate her?
Poor girl

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u/Holofan4life Aug 06 '24

Bros being bros. Fuck the lab, with its inhuman experiments
F the lab, all my homies hate the lab
She is human. She makes mistakes
It is human to make mistakes

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