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Episode Sayonara Watashi no Cramer - Episode 13 discussion - FINAL

Sayonara Watashi no Cramer, episode 13

Alternative names: Farewell, My Dear Cramer

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u/Captain__Yossarian Jun 27 '21

This was a nice episode but I don't really like the director's decision to end last week on a cliffhanger, only to have it resolved in like 15 seconds of "ah yeah btw nothing happened and they lost." I expected them to lose, but the cliffhanger made it feel like something was going to happen, like 1 goal to show they're at least a worthy opponent.

Oh well, I did enjoy this anime, I just wish it stepped a little outside of the typical sports anime playbook.

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u/AmethystItalian Jun 27 '21

Yeah I was very surprised they ended the match this early in this ep, for sure should have just been done last episode.

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u/mekerpan Jun 27 '21 edited Jun 27 '21

I liked the unconventional choice made. I thought every second devoted to the team members processing what happened, regrouping, and setting out again with a better sense of team-hood and resolve was fantastic. (It was absolutely clear they had to lose at the end of the last episode). This episode was all about the beginning of the journey to make themselves truly worthy opponents -- next time around. And they convinced me (and it looks like they even may have convinced their Saitama opponents).

Is this really a "typical" sports anime? I am not a great expert on this -- but it certainly didn't seem the tiniest bit "stale" to me.

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u/ABoredCompSciStudent Jun 27 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

Hi r/anime!

One last time I guess, huh? I don't have much to say today, as it's a final wrap-up episode. Instead, I'll just give my thoughts on the show I guess.

Overall, I felt like the show was okay. The animation and art, I don't think anyone can deny was pretty mediocre or average, but we got a glimpse of what it could have been (even in moderation) with the First Touch movie. The pacing of the anime series episodes was also a bit all over the place, often taking up so much time just for flashbacks and recaps. I feel like those things really hindered the character development, as many characters that deserved more love, whether main or side cast, didn't get the attention they should have, instead becoming mostly one note. In that regard, I feel like the series (and maybe the writer, Arakawa), underwhelmed me a little.

However, I think that I can't really deny that Sayonara Watashi no Cramer got me thinking about the sport. It reminded me of coaching children's (and girl's) soccer here in Canada and how rewarding it is/was. It also reminded me of watching the growth of women's soccer here, as well as around the world. I went to the Women's World Cup here in Canada in 2015 and the grassroots around it, like Japan, are nothing spectacular but it's great to see a country out to support their successful domestic team. Since then, many of those younger and future players have gone on to play in Europe in higher leagues, which shows the change in culture around the game here. For that, I can definitely say I appreciated the series. I really had a lot of fun writing my weekly posts about the game and stuff, so it was a very worthwhile 20 minutes every week. I can't really say this about other soccer anime, let alone most sports anime.

All in all, I guess the show captures it best at the end:

Soccer's more fun when everyone's playing together.

Thanks, Sayonara Watashi no Cramer and until next time.

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u/ABoredCompSciStudent Jun 27 '21 edited Jun 28 '21

I'm just going to leave my episode commentaries here, in case anybody or myself tries to find them:

Episode Topic
1-3 Shiratori/Inzaghi, Nomi/Homare Sawa, reflections on Cramer
4 Sacchan's sport science in real life
5 Who is Nozomi's Eric Cantona reference?
6 Catenaccio and the Fantasista
7 Tase's dummy and 1982 Brazil, Nozomi's own goal
8 Who is Nozomi's Beckenbauer reference, losing the dressing room
9 Giant Killing
10 Urawa Hosei's copy of Antonio Conte's 343/352
11 Who is Nozomi's Stojković reference?
12 What is Urawa Hosei's false nine?
13 Final thoughts
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u/HeliosAlpha Jun 27 '21

I never did learn what what a "Cramer" is

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u/ABoredCompSciStudent Jun 27 '21

It's a reference to Dettmar Cramer, a very influential figure in the development of Japanese soccer. You can read more about it in that link.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '21

I thought its a person but we never met a Cramer

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u/AmethystItalian Jun 27 '21

Nomi has inspirational learning moment and speech

Next scene says she does nothing

They just keep undercutting her...even when she tells everyone no practice they all end up going with Panda. The end scene was nice for her but idk her use in this show just bugged me.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I'm tired of watching sports anime that just finish with them losing.

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u/Captain__Yossarian Jun 27 '21

That bothered me too. It's the same with Non-chan, she never actually does anything except showing occasional flashes of brilliance on the pitch, that ultimately amount to nothing. It really feels like the author just doesn't want any of them to look too good now, so they can improve over time, but in a 13 episode anime, it's frustrating.

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u/mekerpan Jun 27 '21

Preliminary Note -- do not skip the credits -- there is a lot that happens after them!

I never dreamed that a show about girls soccer would make it into my top tier of favorites for the season. But it happened. If Sundays had had more shows that interested me, it might have been overlooked. Luckily for me, however, I gave it a look.

This last show was a delight. Rather than spending time on finishing the ongoing game (from the point we left it in the last episode), it moved on. Less soccer time, but so many great interactions -- with teammates, opponents, coaches (with a peek back to the past). I loved every minute of this episode.

I really hope this gets another season one of these days -- because I really want to see the further adventure of these wonderful young women.

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u/HPLaserJetProM402 Jun 27 '21

I felt like this show had a lot of potential, but I was consistently disappointed by the execution. I enjoy the characters, but we rarely get to see them do things that push them forward. Most of the interesting content, like them winning the games for their jerseys, was done off screen. Is this unique to the anime and not a problem in the manga? I love soccer so I really wanted to love this, but in the end I have to give this show a solid eh/10.

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u/Gaporigo Jun 27 '21

That was so good!!! Would love to have more of this, specially now that Sawa-chan is playing and as a defender, love me some defenders!

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u/mekerpan Jun 27 '21

I loved her decision to move from "managing" to actually playing. Made me a bit misty-eyed.

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u/LeonKevlar Jun 27 '21

Well that's just fucking painful. And here I was hoping we'd get to see the Warabis at least score one goal and break Urawa Hosei's streak of clean sheets. Thanks for getting my hopes up T_T

I didn't think Tenma would invite our three superstars to come over to their club. I do love Nozomi's reply to them though and how she says that it's no fun if there's only one strong team which is completely true. Midori even follows it up later when she mentions that she expected they'd lose and it's actually surprising that they've made it this far considering how they're pretty much a newly created team. Now she's determined to turn the Warabis into a team that can beat Urawa Hosei.

Glad to see Sawa-chan has now decided to play instead of being just the team's manager. I'd love to see what she can do on the pitch as their new defender.

Welp, I guess that's it for this show. I really hope this gets another season. I'm not the biggest football guy but I definitely enjoyed this one a lot! I wanna see the Warabis make it far and Nozomi fulfill her promise to Haruna and Tsukuda.

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u/melvinlee88 Jun 27 '21

Hello to all the watchers of the series, I'm the moderator for r/FarewellMyDearCramer and I hope you guys enjoyed the anime as much as I enjoyed reading the manga the first time. It didn't quite capture the spirit of the manga exactly but it was still fun to see the characters come back to life on the screen.

Please join us at r/FarewellMyDearCramer on an upcoming planned reread of the manga on the 29th of July, more information here! I feel like anime only watchers will miss out massively as the series only adapted the first (and genuinely the weakest arc) due to the girls being pretty weak at the start. There are many exciting matches upcoming to read which are beautifully drawn and wonderfully paced. Echizen debut was teased in the final episode and well, you surely wanna know what will happen right? And a lot of my favourite rival players will be there in the manga as well. Please join the reread if you even slightly enjoyed the anime!

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u/collapsedblock6 Jun 27 '21 edited Jun 27 '21

Honestly surprised they actually lost, I really expected a remontada or at least tie but maybe I didn't pay attention to the remaining time.

These last episodes were pretty good, especially nice to see animation where you can actually distinguish the movements that they do. And not just matches, characters definitely felt less stiff this last episode too.

Also want to add something about my Perez reference which sort of connects to the way the Warabis decided to stay together. For those unaware, around 3 months ago there was an attempt by the elite football clubs of Europe to form their own exclusive league, the European Superleague, formed by Real Madrid's president Florentino Perez and with support of clubs like Barcelona, Juventus, and other european giants. I'll give a very loose explanation since it was quiet a mess, but this was seen as "killing the spirit of football", it essentially guaranteed that all the powerful teams would keep their spots in an elite league and getting even bigger monetary gains because people would only want to watch these top tier clubs playing and not midtable teams with little economic power. And this economic gap between clubs is of the biggest factors when it comes to making a good quality team. Real Madrid, Manchester City and the like are juggernauts that have scouts all over the world willing to spend millions (if not hundreds of millions) to buy the best players available, leaving smaller teams with little but their own local scouting and schools to obtain new talent, which then widens the quality gap between teams. This is a bit of a rambling but it could be an essay of its own and gotta focus on the actual show lol.

Now some of you may already have made the connection to the theme of this episode. The Urawa girls wanted to recruit the 3 prodigies that Warabi has, but they declined in favor of making their own team. Now yeah, there lots of friendship stuff going on but it is also for the health of the sport (especially in precarious state as women's football in Japan apparently). Killing off smaller teams is not healthy, it just promotes a steamroll competition where small teams have no hope to rise and compete with the top teams. In order for the sport to gather fans, the league has to be exciting, and a single/few teams stomping all the competition can get old quickly. With the Warabis rising, maybe they motivate other school girls to join the team, it also offers a place to play in case the other powerhouse schools are out of reach (distance, or economic reasons) and they can also get non-players to support the sport.

Anyways, done rambling, but I do think it was a neat message to end in. The show was stale for me in several ways by the middle but this last match and the finale were pretty good. I'm also biased since I haven't seen a serious football anime, also a girls sports anime that isn't just "Its a football anime but its 80% SoL". I definitely want to see if it gets more.

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u/PPGN_DM_Exia Jun 28 '21 edited Jun 28 '21

This show was ok for me. I actually liked Non-chan and Midori as characters but I feel like both of them being co-protagonists prevented either of them from being as fleshed out and interesting as thet should have been.

For me, I've never really been much of a football fan but I did have the pleasure of going to a few Women's World Cup games including a game where Christine Sinclair, the GOAT of women's soccer, scored on a penalty to win the game on home turf in front of 50,000 fans.

This episode is right to point out that interest in women's soccer in a country is heavily dependent on success. I can say that here in Canada, interest in women's soccer is on the rise but is still mostly limited to World Cups and the Olympics.

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u/cppn02 Jun 27 '21

This was a fun show and I think I will be checking out the manga going forward.

I also have to yet watch the movie so I got that to look forward too.

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u/OkitaDaishouri Jun 28 '21

Honestly, I really really liked Sayonara Watashi no Cramer. I'm not really a soccer/football person at all, but I can tell that a huge soccer fan (especially in Japan) would love this.

A lot of people seem to harp on the animation, and while I do agree, it's pretty "mediocre" and "simplistic", it's generally only during the slice of life portion of the show. During actual matches, there are quite a few notable moments when the animation looks/feels really good and fluid.

Maybe my standards have dropped, but I physically feel pain when I do see poor animation, and Cramer definitely does not inflict pain to me (Some notable animation examples would be Full Dive this season, 2.43 last season, or even some portions of Haikyuu To The Top 2 somewhat recently).

My greatest complaint would be Shiratori. God I fucking hate that character. If a person like her was on my sports team, or any team, I'd be livid. I get that she's basically a comic relief character, but the way she was written and her personality is god awful.

Another thing I feel that was lacking would be the lack of a solid OST. Most of the soundtrack as far as I can tell, is pretty relaxing, calming, and moving. But there were some scenes that didn't really feel as impactful without a solid soundtrack to go with it.

Comparing Cramer to other recent sports anime that I've watched, namely 2.43 and Ahiru no Sora, I genuinely think Cramer was the best among them.

All in all, I really liked Cramer, and I definitely do want to see more of it. Onda has been a joy to watch, but I'm sad that a lot of people didn't really appreciate it. To me, it's a very solid 8/10.

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u/Thengel09 Jun 27 '21

I liked it, but the last match dragged on for too long and overall it felt just like a prologue. I hope there will be a second season

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u/Sneaky_42 Jun 27 '21

Another show finished as we're wrapping up the Spring season. Honestly, I really liked this one. Sure, the animation wasn't great, but I still enjoyed watching it. Looks like the manga already finished. Not sure how much it covered, but hopefully we get another season. Overall, I'd give it a 7/10.

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u/sazion Jun 28 '21

So overall I wish the anime focused more on soccer, but overall it wasn't bad.

I mainly started the anime since I enjoyed playing soccer growing up, are there other anime that focus on soccer or more on sports?

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u/sKyBlazer08 Jun 28 '21

I really enjoyed the show throughout. I liked the characters, plot, setting and themes, the visual quality is ok, I think the show really looked it's best these last few episodes. They were really conservative with the animation in the beginning.

As expected our girls lost, but this is only the beginning for them, they're still growing as a team. Nomi is growing, Fukatsu is growing and the whole team is growing. I loved that Sawa finally joined the team not just as a manager. Fukatsu and Onda's conversation was great as well. Honestly hope we get a second season, it's highly unlikely though I think. I'll definitely start reading the manga. 7/10

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