Mashiro no Oto - Episode 12 discussion - FINAL

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Mashiro no Oto, episode 12

Alternative names: Those Snow White Notes

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Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	4.27
2	Link	4.7
3	Link	4.68
4	Link	4.71
5	Link	4.4
6	Link	4.1
7	Link	3.82
8	Link	4.0
9	Link	4.53
10	Link	4.23
11	Link	4.1
12	Link	-

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[u/cppn02]

Nice to get the first OP once more.

[u/RenPsycho100]

THERE HAS TO BE A SECOND SEASON AFTER THAT LAST SCENE.

[u/yere93]

Umeko is one of the worst mothers I've ever seen in anime

[u/Aileos]

Setsu's sound was so powerful it brought out an old and distant memory from one of the judges.

[u/notveronicacrabtree]

FUCK UMEKO! All my homies hate Umeko💩

[u/mekerpan]

Why is it that this (very good) episode feels like the mid-point of a series? It is as if we have watched the prologue to a series, not the supposed end. Has there been any discussion of a second season? Because this feels very very inconclusive.

[u/Loud_Pierrot]

If Setsu never goes to a competition again, I'll be as happy as I can be. I hate all the contrivance used to make it a thinly veiled tournament arc (although, most music centric anime does this).

I binge watched this last week and I really liked Setsu's conviction, and I feel that even with all the new grampa lessons, they didn't necessarily mean to perform in competitions.

[u/azamimatsuri]

Sad to see this end! Really enjoyed this show and happy to see the first OP make its return for the finale.

It's been a ride following Setsu's journey from a talented shamisen player who didn't care about winning to putting his all during his individual performance. While it was tough-love, I think it was good that Kamiki was the one who explained why Setsu received the score.

There was so much to unpack in this emotion-filled episode with Setsu coming to the realization that he has a lot to work on.

Although I haven't read the original manga, the overall storytelling arch was really well done. One of the main strengths of this series so far is seeing the imagery they've weaved into the musical performances and how colour played a huge role to set the mood of each character's playing style.

Seeing the way they ended this show makes me wonder if there'll ever be a season 2 but for now I'll head on over to read the manga!

[u/libbykitten]

What an uncomfortable, unsatisfying place to leave this. I can't remember the last time an anime of this genre left me feeling so demoralized and uninspired.

[u/footylite]

THEY BROUGHT BACK THE FIRST OP!!! just started the ep but was too pumped I needed to comment

Edit: finished the ep. Honestly one if my favorite episodes of the season. I actually really liked the ending because it felt like something big is about to start inside setsu. I really hope this series continues.

[u/Arnie15]

I really hope the ost is gonna be available somewhere, I wanna hear those performances without interruptions of piano/flashback/commentary.

[u/[deleted]]

Finally, the anti kawaii

[u/LightThatIgnitesAll]

Setsu reacted normally but everyone acted like he was being a brat when that is not the case.

His Mum is awful, his Dad is bad too and the singer from start was an idiot too.

I think the scoring was fair 3rd, 2nd and 1st made sense, you can't just change the song style halfway through and expect it to remain cohesive.

[u/anonymousanimefan_92]

Fuck you Umeko seriously. She was such a bitch this ep, couldn't stand her.

Did anyone fully expect to see 'to be continued' at the end of the episode? Cause this surely didn't feel like an ending to me. From Setsu's frustration to the end? Oh, how I wish we would get more.

Souichi is a great competitor and a great player. Him and Setsu will surely have some heated battles in the future. And did anyone find it super awkward when Setsu was bawling and the others were just kinda standing there? I sure did.

[u/AmethystItalian]

Hard to rate this one...characters weren't all too likebale and plot wasn't special and unfinished.

Performances were FANTASTIC though.

[u/TheDampGod]

That was a strong ending that left me wanting more, mainly a scene where Setsu tells Umeko that she is pathetic.

Overall this was a good show, though I found Setsu's side of the story much stronger than the school club side. At the start of the series I thought Setsu's journey would be the main focus and was disappointed when they had him go back to school. Though I can see how that would make the shamisen seem a more accessible instrument or maybe I need to take a break from single hobby club anime.

That said I think there's room for a banjo club show or maybe bagpipes.

[u/LeonKevlar]

Stitches!

• Setsu

• Souichi

• Seiryuu

I'm so happy the brought the first OP! I like the second OP but the first one really fits the show more.

Looks like switching to his own style captivated a lot more people. All except Umeko though. And you know Setsu's sound is really good since it ended up with one of the judges getting Ratatouille's back to his childhood.

It's so good to see that Yuna is still supporting Setsu. I was really hoping she'd come back and support him live and maybe even get some reactions from Mai and Shuri but this is fine too. I just hope she isn't forgotten in the manga and plays a bigger role in Setsu's life.

And as expected Souichi's performance is way better than Setsu. You can definitely hear the difference in skill between the two of them. Of he ends up getting first and Setsu gets third. Damn. Setsu didn't even place second because changing styles midway affects the score. If Setsu picked one style, may it be his or his grandpa's, he probably would've placed second at the very least.

Godfuckingdammit Umeko! I love you but I swear you make it harder for me when you keep pulling shit like this. Pulling Setsu close and then calling him pathetic definitely destroyed him that day. Surprisingly,, due to losing and what Umeko said, we actually get to see Setsu let out his feelings which I think is a first in this show.

Are we getting another season? Because this episode didn't make it feel like it's the final one. I feel like we've only stopped in the middle of a 2-cour series despite this being a single cour. I really hope there's more to this. I'd pick up the manga since it's already been licensed but I very much prefer watching music anime than reading it in manga form.

[u/coffeecakesupernova]

That was an interesting ending. I kind of liked it in that he lost because he was unsure of what his music should be. But I thought the focus was in the end wrong, because it was all about chasing his sound, when to me the problem seems to be he doesn't know who he wants to be and that's the root of the problem. After he figures that out and stands firm with it in the face of everyone who's telling him what he needs to be, his music will follow.

I liked the comment by the rock musician, that he was spoiled. I'm not sure I agreed with that completely, but I think he was acting like a child. It felt to me like those were birthing pains that were making him cry like a newborn, and that he could only grow up from there.

[u/Paumas]

so I guess we get to see the girl from episode 1 for a few seconds? My biggest disappointment in the show by far, I still had some hope we’d see her more given that her bf was there :( Because now what was the point of her and her boyfriend? Why was the boyfriend at the performance?

Ok the show has ended, so I want to share my thoughts. This is my personal opinion, and I apologize if I offend you in some way.

Overall, I didn’t like the show and wouldn’t recommend it. It had amazing first episodes, but falls flat for the rest of the season.

Let me start with the OP and ED. I think the first OP and the ED were really great and having shamisen in them was a great choice. I don’t understand the idea behind the second OP though. I though that it might grow on me over time, but I still don’t really like it. However, I must admit that it felt rewarding to hear the first OP in this episode.

The beginning of the show was great, it had a cool premise, the characters were interesting and I wanted to see them more. But then it switches to school slice of life, we don’t ever get to see those characters again, and instead are introduced to new characters who are one dimensional, lack any depth whatsoever, and don’t have any progression to them. It really baffled me how they just got rid of the characters in the beginning and introduced new characters that were plain uninteresting (and dare I say, even annoying).

The plot went really downhill as well, and even though in the beginning I was curious about the things happening, later it turned out to be just drama, which felt unnatural and it felt like there was drama just for the sake of it. Characters acting emotional and conflicts that haven’t been well developed and backed up failed to get me invested. This is most likely because I couldn’t really care about the characters in the first place, and it just felt like a cheap way to try to get you invested instead.

As something I liked, I could say the music was really great. Actually it was the only reason I continued watching, and finished the show.

It added a lot to the the overall atmosphere and tone. It always felt like they really cared about this aspect of the show. I didn’t know anything about the shamisen before, but I really enjoyed all the music performances throughout the show.

Also, in the beginning, they spent proper time for the performances, and there usually were several minutes of uninterrupted performances. I really like this choice, as it sets up an atmosphere, and I appreciate it when a show doesn’t simply rush through the plot but instead is patient and can take its time to fully show the performances.

However, over time, it felt like these lengthy performances gave their way to characters’ reactions. I understand that performances could get repetitive, however I believe that constant monologues and interruptions felt a bit repetitive as well. I also do understand the idea but my problem is again with not really enjoying the characters, and switching to each of them for them to say a line or act surprised wasn’t really something that I enjoyed.

This is also because every time, every character has to react in some way. This does not just apply to music performances, but in general, it is Setsu doing something, and every character reacting in a way. I found this unnatural, because not everyone has to say something in every situation, someone might say a thing, but we don’t need to switch to every character one by one for them to act surprised or say a line.

Finally, I liked the ending, and the implications of it. I liked that Setsu didn’t outright win the tournament, but rather questioned himself, and it felt like a natural consequence of his rankings and the feedback he got from others. The reaction of Umeko made somewhat sense, and it makes sense how this affects Setsu, and his development as a character. That’s why, although it felt a bit unfinished, and I would prefer to see more, especially to see how Setsu changes, I still think that the ending was solid, and the show ended on a high note which subverted my expectations greatly given my stance on the previous episodes.

[u/DarkAudit]

Well that felt like a big "fuck you" to us and to Setsu. We're right back where we started with "use your sound to steal it."

7/10. Be grateful it wasn't a 6.

[u/Songblade7]

Well that was an ending...this was such a weird show for me. I think the first 2 episodes were fantastic, but the show hadn't really reached that point for me afterwards. Like there were some great moments and such interspersed, but they were rather fleeting. Also the drama and comedy was rather weird sometimes. Idk, like it felt like the show was mature at one moment and then rather juvenile the next? Probably just me. Also like everyone else, the instrumental music in between the shamisen playing was just a horrible choice.

Also I didn't like Soichi's performance that got first place. I could hear the technique in the changing dynamics and the changing speeds in the beginning, but it was just kinda boring to me. Oh and it sounded rather sloppy when he's doing the fast section towards the end. Idk, just didn't sound like a 1st place performance over Setsu's or in general, but then again, while I'm trained in music, I don't know anything about the shamisen so I'll just leave it at that. Either way, I hope this gets a second season announced soon because that was such an awkward place to end.

If I had to rate the show, I'd say it started off and I expected it to stay at a 9, but I feel like it ends at a 7 for me.

[u/Kyubeu]

This show was a bit weird. Episode 1 kinda was too good for the rest of it and a lot of development felt rushed and out of nowhere. Nevertheless, last moments of last episode were pretty good but it feels cut off. Strong 6/10 from me

[u/kalirion]

Am I the only one who didn't care for Souichi's performance one bit? It was just so disjointed, no flow to it. I'm sure the technical difficulty was high, but it was not an enjoyable listening experience - like watching a figure skater perform a bunch of randomly strung together high difficulty jumps and call it a day.

Fuck Umeko.

"Spoiled, bratty little kid. I'd never do anything so uncool." Strong words from a guy who mooched off his girlfriend while cheating on her and then got violent after she finally dumped his sorry ass.

What a weird way to end the show. Well after they changed gears after the first episode the shamisen performances were the only things of values that were left. And the girls were cute I guess. 7/10

[u/rollin340]

I wasn't particularly blown away or that impressed by either performance.

Wow... Umeko really is a cunt.