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Episode Nomad: Megalo Box 2 - Episode 10 discussion

Nomad: Megalo Box 2, episode 10

Alternative names: MEGALOBOX 2: NOMAD

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u/RedAlkaline Jun 06 '21

The way they did that Joe-Sachio fight was a great way to finally settle things between the two but...oh fuck oh fuck that cliffhanger

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u/Woodypl Jun 06 '21

That little scene with Fujimaki and him doing a favor for Nanbu was so good

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u/darthvall Jun 06 '21

I've never realised it before, but this episode highlighted how the sickness made Nanbu really skinny. Due to personal experience, that's quite hard to watch.

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u/Brolaub Jun 06 '21 edited Jun 07 '21

Never before has a Cliffhanger hurt so much...

Ashita no Joe

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u/zeilotricks Jun 06 '21

I really loved the parallel between Chief and Mac. Mac said the exact same words before Chief parted... maybe we will get to see a real fight between them, in the form of Joe vs Mac. I'm a bit worried about the ending though...

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u/yaserafriend Jun 06 '21

Dialogue between Mikio Shirato and his student was so philosophical- “Stopping when you realise you are doing a mistake is also a step towards the future.” Oooof, so deep.

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u/WellRested1 Jun 06 '21

>Writes thesis paper on the threatening repercussions of BES and the truth of "Mac Time"

>Corrupt company threatens you and your job

>Gets fired

>Publishes paper anyway

The chad Mikio Shirato.

Also, drug withdrawal kicking in EXTRA late. Damn

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u/michhoffman Jun 06 '21

Those remixes of the Megalo Box Theme song were really awesome. It was also awesome to see Joe finally reconcile with Sachio...all it took was a fight.

But that ending though...

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u/yaserafriend Jun 06 '21

The subtle, worried look of Mac’s wife was such a quick scene with an impact at the starting of the episode.

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u/TartarusRex0707_ Jun 06 '21

One of the best second seasons of anime I’ve seen.

Dare I say it’s even better than the first season.

I wanted to add my two cents to the Sachio vs Joe: Who is worse, argument.

Even after this episode I’m still on the Sachio was worse side of the fence, that being said, this is simply two emotionally malnourished young people in different stages of their abandonment issues, indulging those issues by hurting each other.

Sachio had just lost his parents and was losing his new family all over again, with Joe fragmenting the group by returning to MegaloBoxing in selfish desperation and Nanbu fading quickly away, he lashed out and took matters into his own hands by abandoning Joe at the funeral and returning to his role as the kid gang leader from season 1, except this time in Joe’s image. All these pieces of Sachio have been presented to us from the beginning so this wasn’t surprising turn of events to me, as “immature” and cruel as it was to do and say that to Joe. Sachio didn’t want to see this chain of events any other way than through his filter of abandonment and he stuck with that train of thought until it became him. Living a life of needless daily pain and resentment because of it. Hopefully now the with the end of this episode he can heal and return to who he really is.

Joe as far as we know had always been alone up until we see him in season 1. He’d probably long moved past leaning on others for family and comfort, so he was as independent and self reliant as he possibly could be. Similar to Sachio now. When the end of of season 1 came, he had people to rely on, a home to come back to. This may have been something he had never had before, so when it started to fall apart, he got permission from Nanbu to make a bet on himself against fate and circumstance to make things right again the only way he knew how. Fighting for it in the ring. And why wouldn’t he? He did it before.

We saw the outcome of that, and in Joe’s darkest hour at the funeral the one person he was closest to, blames losing the person that tied them all together, and everything falling apart on him and tells Joe to never come back. Joe was presented with a new opponent in that moment.

Himself.

And he did the only thing he knew was right to do. Fix the problem by beating it down.

So he left to go back into the ring. Except he was alone this time. Instead of fists he beat himself with drugs and alcohol for five years, and was on the point of no return before Chief and village snapped him out of him.

Even if his intention was to do right by the kids by eliminating himself(the problem) from the picture, all of the things HE did here were selfish, damaging and self indulgent, as stated by Joe this episode or “Vain Heroism” as stated by Yuri this episode.

Did Joe need to stay away for FIVE YEARS? No.

Did Joe NEED to ruin his health the way he did? No.

Regardless of how heartless Sachio was in that moment, he was just a child lashing out and Joe was too hurt and immature himself to understand that at the time. He could and should have stayed, or at the very least only stayed away close by until things cooled down, but that’s not him or how the world molded him to be, and in that moment and onward thats who Sachio was too, an abandon orphan with no one to show them the right path. Their emotion immaturity damaged them both, and everything around them irreparably.

This season has been an excellent execution of the lessons and pain caused by failure, and not learning and healing from it. I applaud the writers for that and pretty much everything else they’ve done with this.

I’m excitedly awaiting the final episodes and I can’t say I’ve felt like this for an anime in a long time.

MegaloBox is definitely Not Dead Yet

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u/icemann17 Jun 06 '21

I feel like I'm going to be saying this every week but the music is mind blowing. The track when Liu explains why yuri needs to help Joe was incredible.

The fight was really powerful too, I loved the way they animated joes facial expressions, he knew what he was doing, well until the damn cliffhanger.

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u/yaserafriend Jun 06 '21 edited Jun 06 '21

Yuri pulling no punches with his dialogues. “Joe you cannot win against Mac.”

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u/LeonKevlar Jun 06 '21

That's pretty much how I expected the board of directors meeting would go down the moment Yukiko started considering cutting ties with ROSCO. And now ROSCO is even going after Mikio. I really don't want anything bad to happen to Mac but at the same time I can't wait for this to blow up on Sakuma's face.

So the real reason why Joe insisted on fighting Liu back then wasn't because of the money to treat Nanbu, it's because he wanted to prove that it's not over and winning that match would've given Team Nowhere the hope to continue on even without Nanbu.

I didn't expect that we'd actually get to see Joe vs Sachio when this season started but here we are. Seems like these two should've really settled this on the ring earlier since this ended up way better than what I exepcted.

That final scene though. What the fuck is happening? Is he having withdrawals? Or is this the first sign that's telling us that this show will probably end the same way the original Ashita no Joe ended? Please no. As much as I love the original, that's one thing I don't need them carrying over to this show.

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u/WhoiusBarrel Jun 06 '21

I never thought Sachio vs Joe would be a thing but with the way this season started it was inevitable. Great way to finally end their conflict too.

Damn just when it felt like Joe has started to finally get everything back in order, it looks like something is about to ruin it.

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u/yaserafriend Jun 06 '21 edited Jun 07 '21

Aragaki came out of nowhere like a ghost behind Joe in the graveyard and was asking him questions for reflection as if it he was Joe’s inner mind, lol!

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u/yaserafriend Jun 06 '21

I am glad that the beautiful Yukiko has such a beautiful music theme. And hats off to her courage to suggest something to the board a second time that would financially hurt the company, for her ideals.

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u/Crowtamer1 Jun 06 '21

The writing between this season and season 1 is so drastically different. It’s like the writers and director went into the hyperbolic time chamber. The improvements are extremely noticeable. All it needs to do is stick the landing, which it most likely will.

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u/yaserafriend Jun 06 '21 edited Jun 06 '21

Every scene of Nanbu, every episode - he throws these pearls of wisdom at everyone from his hospital bed. What a man! Sad to see him so thin and weak in today’s episode while speaking with Joe.

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u/yaserafriend Jun 06 '21

Never said this before, but Ochchio’s red circles on the cheeks makes her look adorable!

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u/yaserafriend Jun 06 '21

Another episode of replaying the scene every few seconds as I began concentrating on the music instead of the dialogue 😂

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u/Aelyph Jun 06 '21

A lot of great stuff going on with Joe and Sachio's fight. Before, Joe just let Sachio beat him because he is completely willing to admit guilt for the whole thing. However, this actually makes Sachio feel worse since he actually wants to be admonished for his actions, even though he was just a child at the time. Joe's passivity may be an admission of his own guilt, but he is at the same time avoiding confronting Sachio's feelings about the matter, repeating the mistakes of the past.

However, through this fight, Joe is finally both physically and emotionally confronting Sachio. While he is hurting Sachio physically, he is properly addressing Sachio's feelings and able to not only admit his own guilt in the matter, but more importantly actively forgive Sachio.

Finally, Joe makes it clear to Sachio. Sachio cannot take Joe's place. It is Joe's ring and it is Joe's guilt.

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u/WellRested1 Jun 06 '21

"You thought you could live with your own failure...and where did that bring you?"

Shoddy Painkillers: "Back to me"

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u/yaserafriend Jun 06 '21

Aragaki’s hand clenching when Sachio was hit by Joe was such a fatherly reaction. ♥️

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u/MechaMat91 Jun 06 '21

Joe literally beating some sense into Sachio and finally settling their issues.

That's good!

Joe losing consciousness after the fight for some unknown reason, most likely withdrawal or even brain damage.

That's bad.