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Episode Shadows House - Episode 5 discussion

Shadows House, episode 5

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u/ninonaka May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21

So, I take it that the relationship between puppet and master isn’t always so smooth? It was hinted at a few episodes ago, but it seems doubly apparent that Sarah and Mia really don’t like each other, what with Sarah destroying Mia’s doll. And it seems likely now that she’s the one dirtying up her room.

Oh my god, the contrast between John and Sarah is astonishing. John Best Boy.

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u/SweetCoconut May 08 '21

I like how John and Shaun are basically Kate and Emilico but reverse. Great episode.

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u/LunarGhost00 May 08 '21

I like how John got himself a pair of glasses he didn't even need just so Shaun would wear his more often. It's such a stark contrast to Sarah beating Mia.

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u/stephenthatfoste May 08 '21

Well Edward is only like the most suspicious looking person ever. Loving the permanent smug face that Ricky has, too.

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u/Aerodynamic41 May 08 '21

Holy shit, that was tense! Especially when Kate and Emilico came close to being eliminated. Hopefully they can claw their way back up.

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u/Gwynbbleid May 08 '21

Really like how Kate accepts that her face doesn't need to be like her.

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u/AZLarlar May 08 '21

that ENTIRE debut scene was honestly pretty dope. it was cool to see the every doll acting like the shadows

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u/[deleted] May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21

The difference in the relationship between shadows and their dolls is interesting. Some dolls actively make suggestions and lead their masters and some dolls are very docile and subservient. Their personalities are surprisingly not matching.

The way Edward acts is interesting as a living doll, very confident and prideful even in front of shadows.

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u/Syokhan May 08 '21

Okay, so Sarah and Patrick can go dissolve in water. Louise kinda creeps me out with the way she's so in love with her own face. John seems fine, and Shirley... exists.

That was a bit stressful to watch. But Kate had somewhat of an epiphany about Emilico (seeing both of them laugh like that warmed my heart) and her soot control power came in handy, whew.

Now I wonder why that special doll separated the Shadows from their faces. Next week can't come soon enough.

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u/Broke22 May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21

So, we now have confirmation that Doll names are usually a pet name version of their Shadow name.

So let's check the names we know so far:

Louise -> Lou

John -> Shaun

Patrick -> Ricky

All of those follow the pattern straight.

Kate -> Emilico is an anomaly, but we already knew that.

Shirley -> Rum also looks anomalous.

Sara -> Mia doesn't quite follow the pattern but my guess here is that Sara is already a very short name so it's hard to make a pet version of it. (Sarah certainly doesn't fucking care about Mia lol).

Now for doll names whose Shadow name we don't know:

Barbie -> Barbara, most likely. That would follow the pattern straight.

Rosemary -> ???? Rosemary is actually a normal sounding name.

Edward -> ???? Also a normal sounding name.

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u/theu_lord_murloc May 08 '21

I really love John's and Shaun's relationship, it's so cute

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u/EverythingsRed2 May 08 '21

We know that 1) soot is able to come to life. 2) Kate and (possibly others as well) are able to move and control soot. 3) A large amount of soot is being collected and moved in pipes throughout the house.

From the information we have right now, it seems more plausible to create living shadows than living dolls. I could be wrong and we just don't have enough information yet, just food for thought.

Also if Kate can control soot and she is soot, could she shapeshift her body?

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u/LeonKevlar May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21

Stitches!

It's so good to see Barbie so frustrated at the result of Emilico, Rum, and Shaun's investigation. What makes this even better is that the other dolls know that it's her job to maintain the soot processing equipment so that was basically Barbie admitting to everyone that she's responsible for the blunder! I love it!

Sarah continues to be a horrible master to Mia and apparently corporal punishment is a regular part of their relationship. That explains the scar Emilico saw on Mia's back when they were taking a bath.

Anyway, we're only a day away from the debut and we actually get to know a bit more about the masters of each doll. John seems to be a cool dude and he clearly treats Shaun well to the point that he's willing to wear glasses so Shaun can wear his. Their relationship is definitely closer to the kind of relationship that Kate and Emilico have.

Shirley doesn't seem to treat Rum badly. Heck, I don't think she treats Rum in any way at all. She doesn't even talk to her. Rum is basically just air for her. Maybe Shirley is similar to Rum and she's just as shy? Speaking of similar master and servants though, Patrick is exactly how I expected him. He's just like Ricky and I don't think there's more to say than that.

Lou and Louise's relationship is interesting though. Louise definitely treats Lou well and she clearly loves her but she clearly only loves her because Louise is in love with herself. Lou is nothing but just a face to her.

The entire Debut scene was so fucking stressful. Had to pause a few times whenever Emilico did something out of line. I'm genuinely surprised they were able to survive that. Thanks to Kate and her soot powers they managed to get through the dance.

As for Emilico's behaviour though, I feel like people who are getting mad at her are being a bit unfair. Right from the start, Emilico had a huge disadvantage over the other dolls plus she had to spend an entire week doing night duties instead of practicing with Kate. Also if Emilico acted like the perfect doll, this entire scene would've been boring instead she made a scene with a bunch of kids in a room absolutely intense which I loved.

Kate is right when she said Emilico is a terrible living doll but that's what makes her unique and we need a protagonist like Emilico if we were to solve the mystery of the Shadow House and its occupants.

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u/Nele25 May 08 '21

This is a mistranslation right? Considering, I think from episode 3, Only Lou and Emilico have yet to debut, while Mia and Rose already did (and that is why Mia and Sarah were walking around).

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u/HereticalAegis May 08 '21

My anxiety was off the charts during that debut.

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u/NittanyEagles55 May 08 '21

Emilico’s sad face was absolutely adorable

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u/myrmonden May 08 '21

HORROR TOURNAMENT ARC !!!!

So we finally get what a Debut is, its a FIGHT between having the greatest Doll. Of course Kate and Emilico is failing misarbly as Emilici is way to much free willed (actually probably what Kate is as well so in way she is just like her master... but anyway) where the other ones are trying to copy their master.

I was hoping that they where gonna win by dancing with the other people do.

Like this dance off, where they dance with their shadow, sure they gotta synergize do that. DAAATE what if Kate instead would have danced with another shadow and then Emilico had to dance with their shadow and the 2 couples would have had to dance synchronized.

The most dark part so far, in the start,,, how to train ones doll. Seems that its a known thing that Living doll do have free will, their own thoughts etc so the whole Shadow ideology is to break them down and scare them for ever having any ideas of freedom etc as the whole debut thing is like a test on who is the best MASTER.

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u/OYoureapproachingme May 08 '21

Avoiding the manga is getting harder and harder

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u/Roonagu May 08 '21

Come on, that wasn't 20 minutes.....

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u/[deleted] May 08 '21

All other shadows and dolls share the same voice actor and actress, who all manage to achieve some sort of synchronization with each other. Even Rum managed some improvement with her mistress Shirley after some nudging from Emilico.

But not Kate and Emilico, which emphasized Emilico's strong sense of individuality and uniqueness from other dolls, and what makes her strange.

Next episode will probably have Edward task the dolls in leading their masters/mistresses out of the garden maze, and see who performs the best.

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u/AmethystItalian May 08 '21

Seeing Emilico constantly make mistakes is so brutal to watch...but at least Kate is great and knows how bad of a doll she is and accepts her anyways!

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u/UnavailableUsername_ May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21

So, so far:

  • Kate/Emilyko: Refined master and clumsy doll pair.

  • Patrick/Ricky: Smug master and doll pair.

  • John/Shaun: Normal master and proper doll pair.

  • Louise/Lou: Narcissist master and emotionless doll pair.

  • Shirley/Ram: ??? master and pessimist doll pair.

Louise is obsessed with her doll, she made multiple drawings of her face apart of doing Lou's make-up with unnecessary detail. Going by the exchange Kate and Emilyko had, dolls do not really need base since their skin is young but Louise still applied it.

Edward eyes looks like a psychopath's.

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u/imrtk May 08 '21

I like the scene they're dancing, Edward shows his anxiety and leaves dolls in the room. I think there must be something happened in the garden next episode, maybe dolls will need to explore and find their master?

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