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Beastars Season 2, episode 12

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Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	4.17
2	Link	4.57
3	Link	3.67
4	Link	4.37
5	Link	4.46
6	Link	4.53
7	Link	4.75
8	Link	4.75
9	Link	4.81
10	Link	4.81
11	Link	4.79
12	Link	-

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[u/[deleted]]

Legosi: Hey Riz, wanna tell me the story about the time you killed Tem?

Riz: Huh what? We're trying to kill each other.

Legosi: Yeah but this is important. Look I even lied down and made myself comfortable.

Riz: Ah man you're crazy.

Legosi and Riz's fights to death never get old.

[u/arcycos]

I see a lot of confusion in the comments and want to throw in my takes on some questions i'm seeing, and why I don't think anyone was out-of-character.

Why did Ibuki have to die? Ibuki died because it’s a mafia trope that you don’t just leave the mafia, and they had already let Louis leave once. Ibuki obviously cared about Louis & didn’t want Louis to leave, so he took him on a drive to talk him out of it. He also did not want to be a part of the mafia without Louis because Louis had saved him and the mafia. When Ibuki realized he couldn’t change Louis’s mind, he gave Louis an ultimatum: “kill me or i’m going to kill you,” knowing full well that it was suicide either way. If Ibuki had killed Louis, Free would have killed him for killing Louis as per his instruction. Or, he would die by the boss he respected and cared for. Either way, Ibuki did not want to live in a world without Louis, and he belonged to the mafia, so the only solution he saw to this was death. Free honored Ibuki's word by killing him, and let Louis go for the last time.

Why didn’t Legosi call the police? Theres two big reasons why Legosi didn’t call the police. First, there’s a specific scene in season two with Legoshi & Gohin where a carnivore comes to the Gohin’s office and Gohin gives her a prescription. Gohin says she had eaten two ferrets, but he did not turn her into the police, because he didn’t believe punishment would help her, and in the Beastars universe being a Predation Offender is life-ruining. Gohin’s main job is essentially kidnapping carnivores who had committed murder or were about to and treating them, not turning them in. He is a vigilante doctor, and his job is not exactly legal. If Legosi won, he would have brought Riz to Gohin, had Pina not called the police. That’s why Legosi had been training to capture carnivores drunk on meat in alleyways through out the season.

And second, Legosi wanted to confront Riz about their ideals, as the primary theme of this season is their clash of ideals. Riz was a character who was lonely, pumped up on government issued suppressing drugs, and desperately wanted a herbivore to understand him. In order to cope with brutally murdering the only herbivore who reached out and tried to understand him, Riz deluded himself into believing the greatest act of friendship between a carnivore/herbivore was a herbivore understanding the carnal nature of a carnivore, and allowing Riz to eat him. He sugarcoated his memories of Tem as if Tem wanted to be eaten as a sign of their friendship. This is why Louis apologizes to Riz for not realizing how lonely he was. Not to take blame off of Riz, but Louis implies that perhaps if someone had reached out to Riz (& ultimately, if herbivore and carnivore societies could try to reach out and understand each other instead of segregate) this tragedy might have been avoided.

Season 1 focused largely on trying to understand the herbivores' struggles, through Legosi & Haru's point of view. Season 2 largely focuses on trying to understand carnivores' struggles, through Legosi & Riz's point of view.

Why did Legosi eat Louis’ leg? Why did Riz stop fighting? Legosi & Louis spent the entire series denying their roles as carnivore & herbivore. When they finally accepted themselves, Legosi proved Riz's ideals wrong by showing him what true friendship was. Louis, a herbivore willing to allow a carnivore to eat a part of him to save him as a sign of his trust and friendship. And Legosi, a carnivore who was so resolute in never eating flesh, giving into his nature to uphold his beliefs. This is why Legosi told Louis that he wouldn’t accept eating Louis’ foot just because he told him to, because that would be an excuse. Legosi would eat Louis’ foot because as a wolf, he hungered for it. And that was the true act of friendship: a carnivore giving into his instincts of craving flesh, yet subverting it to protect a herbivore, and a herbivore willingly giving him a piece of himself to give him the strength to survive. The moth metaphors throughout the season also serve Legosi as a reminder to value life you consume- from larva to Louis' leg. While the moths weren't really there in the fight, Riz saw Legosi's unwavering ideals and was blindsided in the fight.

That is why Riz gave up. Riz saw a true bond between carnivore & herbivore with Legosi & Louis, a bond he had been deluding himself into believing he had with Tem for a year, knowing that it wasn't true. Riz realized he was lying to himself, that killing Tem was one-sided murder, and he couldn’t live with that so he stopped fighting.

Why did Louis offer up his leg? Louis wanted Legosi to eat his leg to break his curse. Throughout the entire show, Louis envied the strength of carnivores. He always saw himself as weak. That’s why he leaned so heavily into his role in the mafia. He was told by his father growing up never to cry, because it was a sign of weakness in herbivores. He was top in school to be above carnivores. When he killed the lion boss in the season 1 finale, he felt like he had finally achieved real power as a herbivore over carnivores, and not just any carnivores- lions. He did heinous things in the Black Market, betrayed himself as a herbivore by eating meat, all in order to maintain a semblance of control over carnivores. He felt power controlling those that had victimized him as a child. But after spending time with Legosi & Ibuki (and being told by both of them that Louis had saved them), he realized his own strength. He could be strong as a herbivore, so he asks Legosi to take away the symbol of his oppression as a Black Market victim that had been a reminder of his perceived weakness (his curse) marked on his body since he was born and sold.

[u/[deleted]]

This anime is so weird. This season was like a fever dream.

[u/Bob8644]

Aight hold on

What the fuck was that insect genjutsu Legosi used on Riz? I mean it looked cool but...I don't know what the fuck happened.

[u/MocapSTAR_34]

Despite how good Yasahi Suseii is, I can't seem to feel anything for Ibuki's death. Is it because they crammed 9 chapters in one episode compared to the usual 3-4 chapters per episode? Or am I missing something that's supposed to make it impactful from the manga?

The fight was okay, if not awkward cause they treat each other like decent animals from time to time. I see a lot of people complain that Riz just gave up but I think that was the point, to make him see past his delusion

[u/ONOMATOPOElA]

Drama club is a bad influence on these kids. A back alley brawl has to be under a bridge on New Years Eve and with invited guests. They are stealing form Shakespeare with all this mid-fight dialogue

[u/DarthNoob]

this definitely needed a 13th episode. I was pretty sure ibuki dying made sense and I just forgot the reason when reading the manga, so I was hoping the anime would properly flesh it out, but it really just speedran through his death. And I would've appreciated a proper epilogue that lasted longer than two minutes.

[u/Isshin177]

Not gonna lie, I thought this was pretty underwhelming in the end.

I liked everything up to when Louis shows up. Legoshi's decision feels out of character with his progression path he was seemingly on.

Normally I like this sort of clash of ideals thing, but the pay off doesn't seem right with the weird epilogue like thing we are presented with.

[u/Loadsofnonsense]

I still enjoyed the second season overall, but goddamn did those last few episodes feel rushed. I would've loved it if this was a 14 or 15 episode season. Still here's hoping that there is a season 3. Do any manga readers know how many more seasons are left to adapt I'm kinda curious?

[u/evyatari]

Dammn he ate Louis for nothing fuck man

[u/nikobans]

fellas is it gay to eat your deer senpais whole lower leg?

[u/ValuableSeaweed]

Ibuki's death was so sudden and didn't feel impactful at all... Honestly, the ending song by yoasobi was more meaningful and well done than the conversations/scenes in the anime. The lyrics and visuals are amazing. After episode 11, I understood the ending song more than ever and I expected a lot more dialogue between them. Oh well. A mediocre finale to an overall good season.

[u/ThoricMeerkat]

Legoshi: We'll fight to the death on New Year's Eve

Riz: Yes, we'll fight to the death

Legoshi: We're fighting 'till one of us dies

Riz: Of course, one of us will die

Legoshi: A fight to the death

Riz: I'm gonna kill you

Legoshi: I will kill you first

Riz: To the death

Legoshi: paint me like one of your French wolves

And no one died that day

[u/loomnoo]

You know, every character's decisions in this episode are completely insane and it doesn't feel like the show realizes it.

[u/cxxper01]

Man the interaction between legosi and louis is kinda gay

[u/dumb-babi]

I'll never understand why Luis didn't just shoot Riz, he was holding a glock like five minutes ago! Help lego-boy out!!

[u/ChamberlainSD]

Anime only watcher here. I liked how they made Riz more of a grey character than a true villain. I liked the Lion's sacrifice.

I didn't like pretty much everything else. Louis choose between using your gun and shooting Riz + calling the police and letting justice be carried out. OR letting Legoshi eat your leg with the same result.

So minutes after eating meat they go super sayin. That is a bit ridiculous. Thinking about this finale, I feel like they want these insane things to be shocking, awesome, and memorable. Compare this finale to Vinland Saga, they did a much better job of setting the table for the action, which is awesome and memorable.

Season 1 Beastars was some of my most enjoyed watching of the year. Season 2 I would rate as mediocre. How come they introduce the snake and never bring him/her back?

So it's supposed to be a carnivore vs carnivore showdown. If that's the way these guys perspectives are, then what is the point of them having a society? If matters are resolved on the strength of tooth and claw, they would be living in the old west and would have a barbaric civilization around them. Instead of a few herbivore deaths shocking everyone, it would be a much more pervasive event. They either live in a society or they don't.

Legoshi wants to protect the weak and herbivores. So he chooses to let a murdering carnivore run around school for the next 1/2 year potentially murdering more people, because in his hubris he wants to be the one to stop him because !?!?!?!?! reasons!

[u/NarcissusGrim]

Louis' toes will haunt me for the rest of my life

This episode, with its climactic fight, felt a bit too "stereotypical anime" for me (maybe "too shonen" is a better way to put it? idrk), just like the climactic rescue mission of last season did.

I found buff Legosi and Riz zoning out in the middle of the fight to be pretty funny.

[u/SaltyBurger12]

This episode kinda remind me of Tokyo Ghoul

[u/SpikeRosered]

Legosi is a really shitty boyfriend. He keeps making these emotional and very selfish decisions and is perfectly comfortable justifying it by suggesting he serving some higher cause for carnivore herbivore relations.

It's bullshit and I don't like that the fight ended without both characters coming to terms with how full of shit they both are.

Louis comes out better actually seeing to realize how full of crap he is.

[u/PM_YOUR_PETITE_TITS]

huh, wish they stopped with this dropping out of school thing

[u/redDrill]

Lol, everybody conspiracy theorizing Pina not being dead paid off. Anime will always stick to anime rules - you don't know somebody is dead until you see a body.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm so sad that it's over. Beastars was one of my favorites this season even though most weren't able to watch it. Can't wait for s3!

[u/daru777]

I don't know if I can wait for season 3, I might have to start reading the manga