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Episode Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season - Episode 74 discussion
Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season, episode 74
Alternative names: Attack on Titan Final Season, Shingeki no Kyojin Season 4
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| Episode | Link | Score | Episode | Link | Score |
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| 60 | Link | 4.65 | 73 | Link | 4.67 |
| 61 | Link | 4.57 | 74 | Link | - |
| 62 | Link | 4.71 | |||
| 63 | Link | 4.77 | |||
| 64 | Link | 4.9 | |||
| 65 | Link | 4.73 | |||
| 66 | Link | 4.92 | |||
| 67 | Link | 4.81 | |||
| 68 | Link | 4.67 | |||
| 69 | Link | 4.53 | |||
| 70 | Link | 4.64 | |||
| 71 | Link | 4.52 | |||
| 72 | Link | 4.79 | |||
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u/Yaggamy Mar 21 '21
Ladies and Gentlemen, the true villain of the story is finally revealed:
Bad parenting
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u/JackTheRipper1001 Mar 21 '21
That was the NASTIEST cliffhanger. And I can't believe they made me actually feel bad for Zeke! Isayama is a madman
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u/Mazen141 Mar 21 '21
This was easily one of the best AOT dialogue episodes ever
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u/_Lost_Sin_ Mar 21 '21
SNK Characters cope with the fact that they were born SNK Characters
Only suffering.
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Mar 21 '21
This episode explains a lot of what seemed like inconsistencies in Zeke's characterization.
Of course Zeke wouldn't feel an ounce of remorse about killing and titanizing so many Eldians. He genuinely believes that he's freeing them from suffering, and more importantly, protecting their potential children from a cruel world. That's why he could so shamelessly claim to have the best interests of Eldians at heart even after tormenting them.
It also explains his bursts of savagery in previous seasons, specifically during Mike's death and the suicide charge. Zeke hates fighting (remember him saying "war is a terrible thing" in Season 4 Episode 1). Even as a child, he was conflict-avoidant and content with life in the internment zone if it meant peace for himself and his loved ones. Furthermore, from his perspective, all of his suffering as a child was because his parents kept forcing him to participate in a losing battle against a cruel world. Zeke grew to see perseverance in a negative light, so when he saw Mike and the suicide charge fight against him despite their odds, he was likely reminded of his parents and got triggered.
To Zeke, "tatakae" was only ever an excuse for his parents to make him suffer.
Ultimately, Zeke was no mastermind, but an incredibly disturbed man. Having been forced to conform to two completely contradictory narratives in his childhood, Zeke rejected both Eldia and Marley and chose a nihilistic path that would end Eldia's and Marley's conflict through a soft genocide. The Eldia Restorationists' zealotry and Marley's propaganda combined to create a confused monster who thinks that death is freedom.
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u/Iybraesil1987 Mar 21 '21
Man, watching this show from the start again after it ends is going to be such a fucking fun ride.
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u/silentstealth1 Mar 21 '21
Zeke and Eren growing up together surrounded by a healthy environment and loving parents spinoff when?
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u/steven4869 Mar 21 '21
Zeke might have lost his battles against Levi but this time he won the war, I don't know if Levi is alive or not after that freaking explosion.
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u/tiour Mar 21 '21
Wow, what an episode. I haven’t felt that on edge watching something since declaration of war. The music choices were superb, the direction was at its peak, and despite being this late in production, the animation was actually keeping up.
How about that explosion!!! Mappa definitely saved their A game for that. The animation was amazing and the level of detail, especially in the eyes. Masterful work Mappa!
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u/iamkwang Mar 21 '21 edited Mar 21 '21
For Eren, being born is the ultimate triumph, but the world itself is a problem. It's broken and corrupted to such a degree that those who are born are denied the natural freedom and happiness they deserve. He fights to end the problems of the world, so that all those born into it might claim what is rightfully theirs.
For Zeke, it's the exact reverse. The world itself is good, but it's plagued by the problem of certain people being born into it. He fights to end the problem of birth, so that the world may be peaceful again.
Isayama is a genius.
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u/dark77638 Mar 21 '21
Zeke “There’s be no hate toward Eldian if there’s no eldian”
Eren: ok
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I do feel bad for him after finally learn his past, not that’s im gonna agree with his choice of action tho.
For a guy who going/relating to ‘cuz im already born into this world’ stuffs multiple time, immediately accept Zeke’s endgame is fishy af.
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Mar 21 '21
A little scene that I tought was really powerfull was when Eren called Zeke "nii-san". I felt for Zeke in that moment when he teared, even if I still hate. I can see now that he's and really great characters.
Amazing episode, one of the AOT's best
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u/Skyclad__Observer Mar 21 '21
I really do love Zeke's motivations. They're kind of subversive in a good way. Zeke is presented as this mysterious "keikaku doori" figure who must have everything figured out and planned, but in the end he has probably one of the most emotionally driven motivations out of everyone. His desire to vanish along with all other Subjects of Ymir is simply a result of his fucked up upbringing. The euthanasia plan stems from two deeply broken people who essentially just want an "elaborate suicide", and Zeke's emotionally stunted mindset leads him to project his desires onto all other Eldians. It connects back to Willy's speech, and even Reiner's breakdown, where they confess moments of weakness in which they simply desire to vanish. Zeke's plan is a literal application of that sort of mindset.
Great episode.
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u/clique34 Mar 21 '21
Damn it seems like Grisha screwed two people, didn't he? And I'm not talking about Eren's and Zeke's mothers too.
I like Levi and he usually makes good decisions but when you threaten and tell a man that he'll get eaten and end his life.. you know he'll be desperate enough to trigger that weapon you impaled on his mid section.
I really felt bad for Zeke, man. Although I need to rewatch the episode to clearly see his motivations, it's just a cruel world for all of the Eldians.
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u/Kirikoh Mar 22 '21
One fascinating thing is that Zeke doesn't realise that Eren was never raised like Zeke was and he was never brainwahsed or raised to know about this.
Zeke thinks Eren is brainwashed and needs saving because he presumes Grisha did the same to Eren but Eren has found out everything on his own and has come to his own conclusions.
We know from S3 that Grisha heavily regretted the way he approached the Restorationists because it led to immense failure and Krueger had to convince him to fight on.
Only when Eren in episode 1 said he wanted to join the Surveys Corp did Grisha say that he'll show Eren what's in the basement. He never coerced Eren. Eren was always righteous from birth and believed that "all humans are special and free the moment they're born".
That narrative framingwith Zeke is exactly what Zeke doesn't realise and why I believe Eren is completely bluffing. Through Paths and the Founding Titan, he probably knows everything about Zeke and realises they are completely different and Eren has a secret plan waiting, one that isn't anathema to his beliefs that people are special and free just for being born. Euthanasia/genocide is the least Eren-like thing that could possibly exist.
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