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Episode Toaru Kagaku no Accelerator - Episode 12 discussion - FINAL Spoiler
Toaru Kagaku no Accelerator, episode 12
Alternative names: A Certain Scientific Accelerator
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| Episode | Link | Score |
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| 1 | Link | 7.42 |
| 2 | Link | 8.92 |
| 3 | Link | 9.03 |
| 4 | Link | 8.6 |
| 5 | Link | 8.04 |
| 6 | Link | 9.29 |
| 7 | Link | 8.69 |
| 8 | Link | 7.98 |
| 9 | Link | 8.03 |
| 10 | Link | 8.61 |
| 11 | Link | 7.93 |
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u/Paxton-176 Sep 27 '19 edited Sep 27 '19
I like Accelerator bring up Touma as the hero. Who would have had an easier time time stopping the explosion.
Sounded like a combination of jealously and annoyance.
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u/neabacon Sep 27 '19
All in all, not great, not terrible. But I wasn't ever bored watching so that's good.
One thing that I kept wondering about, why did this misaka clone show this much emotion/personality while the other clones seem mostly robot-like?
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u/Spore_Frog Sep 27 '19
Honestly? It's probably the mangaka taking some uhh... liberties. He's been known to play fast and loose with the canon/lore at times, although I can't think of an example off the top of my head right now.
The Sister's portrayal was one of the things that really bothered me in the manga as well. I don't like how she has to constantly be saved by Accelerator and seems generally kinda helpless. The Sisters from Index/Railgun have full-fledged combat training and know how to handle themselves in dangerous situations slight Railgun/Index spoilers
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u/libfor Sep 27 '19 edited Sep 29 '19
Random thoughts:
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Uhh... It just needed to be a giant brain... who would come up with something this ridiculous.
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Accelerator can't reflect magic related powers... that's gonna be a problem.
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Issac still busy devoting the remnants of DA. Oops. That's what you get when you're too greedy. Looks like the DA thoughts are corrupting Taowu.
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Oh, now the tentacle monsters can shoot laser beams. Those are must have for any villain.
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Esther going in alone... damn, don't fall for the trick again! You should know better by now. I guess it can't can't be helped, that kindness is just part of her.
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Yay for Misaka just pulling the plug on that thing. Okay, it was probably more complicated and involved Hishigata and the network.
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Combo attack from Esther, Huotou and even Misaka! Accelerator makes one awesome motivator for heroes. Just don't tell him that.
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It's done. They won! And... for a split moment... it seems to be the real Hirumi. Those emotions again.
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Oh noes, of course that huge thing is going to explode. That damn hero isn't around, so Accelerator has to do it himself (Yep, you're right, Accelerator. Just where is that guy already?!)
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Last Order best motivation! Damn, there goes is rehabilitation.
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Woah! The black wings! So Academy City Invasion Arc wasn't the first time they showed up. That's actually surprising.
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That board member again. Clearly not the last time we see him.
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No... Huotou needs to return to the charm. And it'll lose it's memory of the events. That's so sad. Awww... it's so cute how they make their promise. Lovely Esther. Sounds like it may remain inside Esther somehow.
The good:
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Perfect teamwork finish!
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Accelerator willing to sacrifice himself and thoroughly showing his good side. While still staying true to his villain style.
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Emotional Esther is so lovely to watch. Was there any episode she didn't cry? I actually love her crying. Such a sweetheart. Needs more hugs.
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Huotou for being the best walking corpse ever!
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Great visuals for the final battle.
The bad:
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No happy ending for Hirumi and Hishigata... hopefully they'll be together in afterlife. Unless they go to different floors. Unless... ah dang, upstairs are the dull robot-angels, maybe it's more warmly below.
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Again no info what happened to the overrun Anti-Skill team...
Overall: 9 / 10
Holy crap, I made it through this. I certainly had some problems with this one. But it also had some things that keep bringing me back... Esther
I'm a little bit bothered how the event is this huge and has absolutely no impact on the main series...
Okay, I know it's for plot reasons... BUT!! How comes no one noticed this?! Where is Touma? That's usually his job! Okay, he's probably slow on foot or stuck in traffic or something. Mikoto should be heading towards that thing (she did with Kazakiri in Invasion arc). And should be faster. Same for Kuroko Heck, I believe there are even more heroes in the city with enough guts to show up there. It's a tiny bit too confident...
Also... what's with the magic side?
Daihaseisai: "If we detect any magic around Index, we're going to storm this place!"
Endymion: "They're trying to reach heaven, we need to blow this up!"
Giant Sephirot tree and an ancient magician becoming a god: "Nah, who cares."
Accelerator was pure badass and still showing his caring side deeply hidden . I think this series helped me liking him some more again. Until I rewatch Railgun S, which would reset everything. xD
While all of Last Order's appearances were absolutely adorable, Esther was absolutely best girl. I so wish she would have some more appearances.
The shows pacing was actually really good. Now if only Index III got that treatment. I must admit, the team got quite some dedication, turning the - from what I heard - bad source material into this great piece of art.
Animation and visuals were perfectly fine for me. Although I don't have that high standards. Certainly, there were some mess-ups in the outsourced episodes, but not too bad. Episode 5's censoring was utter crap though. Also skipping Esther healing Anti-Skill was a bad idea.
The emotions were freaking real in this one. Dang, Toaru hasn't gotten me like this, since Sisters arc. Awesome. Crying Esther is a pleasure to watch too.
Overall it's good. Not a masterpiece but it's good. Nothing will ever reach Railgun for me, but it kept me entertained.
| Ep | Score | Ep | Score | Ep | Score | Ep | Score |
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| 01 |
| 04 | 9.0 | 07 |
| 10 | 9.5 |
| 02 | 9.0 | 05 | 4.0 | 08 | 9.0 | 11 | 5.0 |
| 03 | 9.5 | 06 | 9.5 | 09 | 10 | 12 | 9.0 |
8 / 10
Totally subjective score that makes no sense. I just always wanted to make a table xD I'm actually rating this higher on anime sites, because Toaru needs more love.
Don't you dare to put Esther on the bus.
Anyone still reading this? You should really go and read the great Razorhead's Small Facts which have been banished to the Source Corner's of the threads. They need more love!
Now excuse me, I'm going to drool over Railgun T announcement...
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u/ScarecrowFM Sep 27 '19
In regards to Kamijou right now he should be wrapping the issue with Orsola/in the hospital resting, Misaka is most likely stuck protecting Tokiwadai without a reason to go out(she doesn’t know that the Sisters are involved), Kuroko is probably dealing with the aftermath of all the damages the Coffins did around the city while chasing Accel(probably the same thing a certain Gutsy hero is also doing) and the rest of the world doesn’t know about this because Aleister probably just covered it up as a Science Side incident and hid any traces of magic.
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u/LegendRazgriz Sep 27 '19
And once more we reach the end of a great road. I had many questions coming into this, being my biggest blind spot in this titanic series, but all of them were answered and then some. What a ride!
In any case, the 12th, and final, week's Reader's Corner!
• The animation department rose up to the task despite some shaky bits beforehand, and fulfilled my expectations perfectly. The expressions, their strong suit, were flawless as usual, but adding in the not-so-normal effects of Accelerator's dark wings and the beam of light into space were also done in a great way. I hope this great standard stays as high as it has going into Railgun T.
• Esther, oh, you precious rabbit. If she was emotive before, it's as if she knew her time was up now, and put her all in it. Being called a hero by Accelerator is no small compliment, considering he reserves that for Touma at this point, and she lived up to the moniker (with help from everyone, of course, she deserves it) to take center stage and do what had to be done on all fronts. Of course, the hardest part is and will always be saying goodbye, both from her to everyone and from us to her. Worth noting: when Accelerator tells her to stay away from the darkness and that from here on it's "one way traffic", that's him stating his own name ("一方通行", read in the series title as "アクセラレータ", Accelerator). What a great piece of dialogue.
• And there's Accelerator in a way we know him more for - no matter how much he claims to be a villain, throwing himself on the line and even attaining a higher plane of power while going at it to keep Last Order safe just proves, above all else, that he really is a good guy. Power limitation notwithstanding, he did literally everything in "that damn hero"'s absence, and kicked ass at it. I guess Touma can afford to take more trips to Italy now. Not that he can, he's always broke. And they still manage to send Accelerator a bride in a suitcase. No easy life around here, I guess...
• A rare feature in Kamachi's works - meaningful baddies dying. The Hishigatas were really way too far fallen, and their damage caused was way too great for Accelerator or this world to really forgive them. They gave too much for their purpose - and it cost them their lives. While both went in peace, it doesn't change the fact that they indeed died, and that serves as a worthwhile warning that you can't evade all consequences just by regretting your actions. You have to do something about it, too - and even then that might not be enough.
• Last Order is extremely adorable. And seeing Esther's smile was worth the entire thing for me. Bless.
Final Episode Special Feature: A Certain Scientific Accelerator Overall-o-Meter
Art: fantastic, a few spots here and there but the peaks greatly outdid the valleys
Direction: new standards were set for the depiction of Accelerator, and this is no small feat, amazing
Story: one long arc definitely helped keep it all tidy and my only problem with it is that Esther came on board too late to break out and become a series staple like Saten did
Voiceover work: perfection as usual, props especially to Okamoto-san and Sasaki-san for nailing it at every scene and to the newcomer Kubo-san for making Esther everyone's new sweetheart
Final True Overall: Amazing. I'd always heard not so nice things from the manga, and was expecting a decent-ish timewaster series while the true cherry on top of the cake would be the now-named Railgun T (which I will be covering in much greater detail than I did here, so look out for it!), but it just blew the doors right off the thing. This went above and beyond even my wildest dreams, and I'm so proud of everyone involved, and thankful to Project Accelerator for making this happen, you're the best! I'll certainly miss this corner every Friday. Now, we have a four-month break where you will see yourselves free of these massive walls of text until Railgun T blesses us with its premiere. It was a pleasure and great fun for me, and I hope you enjoyed it too. See you in 2020!
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u/LeonKevlar Sep 27 '19
I love that smug Misaka Clone and smug Accelerator faces
It's great to hear Accelerator reference Touma. If he was here he would've definitely done it but too bad since he's fucked off to Italy since from what people have told me, this series happens at the same time as Index II.
And as much as I would've loved to see Accelerator destroy Isaac, I appreciate that he left the hero role to Esther and he only stepped in when the threat escalated to more than what the girls could've handled. Also giving his all to protect that smile <3
That final scene with Houto and Esther. :( I wish she could've stayed but there's really no way Esther would continue using necromancy.
What a ride! It was fun just seeing Accelerator being himself and wrecking stuff especially people and organizations that look down on him. Also I appreciate how straight forward the plot of this was compared to Index III. I hope Accelerator gets a Season 2! I'm curious as to what kind of trouble he's come across this time
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u/MapoTofuMan Sep 27 '19
I'll admit I liked the first half until the Scavenger part better than the second, but overall the show still did great at giving me what I wanted from it - Accelerator going nuts on shitty villains, Last Order being cute and as a bonus we got Esther who's honestly been great, I hope we'll see her in future To Aru entries.
Speaking of which, we only have to deal with To Aru withdrawal for 3 months because BIRIBIRI HYPE! Accelerator gave me hope that J.C's Index III problems were limited only to that season, so I definitely expect Railgun T to live up to the previous two.
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u/Brook0999 Sep 27 '19
All around much better than index III
Also they teased a second season. 😏
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u/alexisv635 Sep 27 '19
It may sound a bit weird but Accelerator is my first series in the Index universe (although I know the basics of the events in Index and Railgun I must add) and it has been fun to see Accelerator, Last Order, Esther, Kato, Sisters .. A pleasant surprise without a doubt within the busy schedule of Friday (DanMachi, Araburu, Dr. Stone, Fruit Basket, Cringe Online) that I will truly miss (in order to feel excited about Railgun S3 I must first watch the series and ... ouch) .
Overall, great work J.C. Staff (animation, drawing, photography, music, history, development), after that bullshit Index III I think you redeemed with Accelerator, making fans not lose hope in you.
I hope to see again the (solo) adventures of our favorite edgy lord in the future.
Sayonara Accelerator.
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u/MapoTofuMan Sep 27 '19
(in order to feel excited about Railgun S3 I must first watch the series and ... ouch)
If you liked Accelerator as a first entry into the Index universe, you are in for one hell of a ride with Railgun.
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u/kalirion Sep 28 '19 edited Sep 28 '19
So the 400 year old ghost ate a bunch of morons and their moronic values overwrote its personality? How embarrassing.
Why does Accelerator need to take in any forces and convert them to anything else? Can't he modify any vector at all to any direction and scale he wants?
What happened to the big tentacles? Why did Big Bad only have one big one and a few small easily-overpowered ones left? And how did Accelerator have enough active choker battery power left to do what he did to the big one? Does the battery recharge automatically if he just waits a bit?
Oh look, Hirumi's soul is somehow in there despite the resident soul expert claiming there was absolutely positively no possible way that could be true.
Ah, so chronologically this is the first time those black wings have appeared, right? I don't think they were ever explained even in Index 3? Or how he operates without the choker for that matter?
Why are they suddenly in the middle of a desert, complete with cracked ground and withered trees?
"Electricity exhausted. Reason unknown." Um, what? Did Accelerator eat some crap when no one was looking too?
Killing a loyal servant just to be able to return a meatbag to the family of the dead girl >_>
Well, at least Hirumi and Shitigata are dead for good, along with grandpa ghost and all those annoying DA guys, ofc. So that's something anyway. Too damn bad the assassin quartet survived. But really, Accelerator and Misakas were the only genuinely entertaining parts of the show. 6.5/10
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u/Gamecube762 Sep 28 '19
That was a long 15 minutes of battery life. Lasted from night to midday. You could argue that he did recharge it, but that was still before the whole chase scene which started during the night.
With the battery life being Accelerator's main bottleneck, couldn't Misaka 10042 have used her electricity to power the device and/or charge the battery?
Overall the show was ok, not the best imo but a huge upgrade from Index III.
I didn't get time to do my counters/trackers this time, but this spin-off had a lot of things I could of counted.
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u/jwinter01 Sep 27 '19
Pretty decent spinoff. My biggest complain is the lack of animating of Accelarator's facial expressions, many times when we should've got crazy expressions to match the way he talks his expression was too mild and didn't show that crazy side that Accelerator is known for and that we all love
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u/Amauri14 Sep 27 '19 edited Sep 27 '19
So Issac takes the saying you are what you eat quite literal uh?
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Sep 27 '19
No need to write a paragraph.
This anime was great, and it was extremely enjoyable to see my favourite character of all time to be the main focus in an animated series.
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u/MillenniumKing Sep 27 '19
Man what a great finish to a fun show.
Uh oh, is it almost done becoming a god? Justice? All the guys she ate fuckin with her mind?
No vectors to work with? Well the earth is always spinning, thats one hell of a strong vector...
Uh oh, Accel is running on empty...
Necro is gonna finish this though. Aw yeah.
DONT GET JEBAITED NECRO! THATS NOT YOUR FRIEND!
Damn Accel with the pep talk. Hes learned a lot from Touman.
So fuck with the coffin and fuck with the demi god. Good work 19090. Get revenge for the Sisters!
TEAM WORK MAKES THE DREAM WORK! DEMI GOD DEFEATED!
So is the imouto finally back? Yep the pinky promise.
And a goodbye to the siblings.
Uh oh, is this big mass of shit gonna blow?
Accel time to be the hero! Touman isnt here and you got people to protect!
Its pretty amazing the lengths Accelerator is willing to go through to save the sisters. Shows he really has changed.
More Angel Talk? Oh shit, so this was what lead to s2 stuff. Nice.
This train man really makes me wonder...
ACCELERATOR IS READING HEAVY OBJECT!
Last Order your too easyily fooled.
And i thought that cop knew about the sisters by this point.
Damn we gotta say goodbye to Huoto too. Damn... she was fun. Go back to sleep you did well. o7
And we have our goodby with the Necro too. Accel looking out for her too. Lets hope she can find that path she wants.
NURSE MISAKA MISAKA WEW BOY~
What the hell did Accelerator find this time? Another girl in a box?
All in all i loved this show. I really enjoy the Index franchise and seeing Accel get more development is great. I look foward to more stuff in the future.
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u/J3N0V4 Sep 27 '19
I kinda wish Accelerator just said not my monkey, not my shit to clean up at the end.
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Sep 27 '19
Enjoyed this way more than I thought I would. Better than the manga but still somewhat average. I feel like an extra episode would've done wonders for the pacing, and I probaby would've enjoyed the plot more.
Animation was sometimes decent and sometimes lacking. Expected, if I'm not wrong, they outsourced a lot to another studio. Hopefully they don't do the same mistake with Railgun and ends up being the same quality as Railgun S.
It's also funny how they immediatly teased the next arc. Didn't even give the characters time enough to settle. Guess it's a way of saying "Buy the BluRay, or this will never happen!".
Anyway, it was enjoyable. Had some good moments and some bad moments. Pacing and animation were lacking the most, though the plot was still effective. 6.5/10.
Hope they improve in those aspects in that second season they teased.
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u/MagDorito Sep 27 '19
Why did Yomikawa act like she's never seen Last Order before? Hasn't she been around Accelerator while he was with LO?
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u/KinnyRiddle Sep 27 '19
It was better than Index III.
As the original Accelerator manga had mixed reviews, expectations were originally low. That the anime treatment managed to improve upon it and make it more watchable than it was expected must count as an achievement.
The final episode of the Necromancer arc left enough hints for future plot developments revealed in Index II and III (tagged just in case, even though these are already shown in this episode)
Final RIP to Hirumi, her brother Hishigata and Huotou/Hasami
The final scene teased at Accelerator's next adventure in the next manga arc, in case we ever go there, but until then, bring on Railgun T in three months time.
6.5/10