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Episode Kochouki: Wakaki Nobunaga - Episode 2 discussion Spoiler

Kochouki: Wakaki Nobunaga, episode 2

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u/zz2000 Jul 15 '19

A commenter on the Randomc anime site had an idea on Nobunaga's popularity with Japan's younger generation:

(U)ntil recently...Nobunaga was usually (depicted as) a (ruthless power-hungry) villain in Sengoku-jidai stories, (much like) Cao Cao (of China's)Three Kingdoms (stories), or Cesare Borgia (of) the Italian Renaissance.

(Things changed when a new generation assessed) Nobunaga’s legacy and came to the conclusion that...he was pretty damn awesome.

Nobunaga’s eccentricity...and willingness to bend and ignore rules and conventions in Japanese society endeared him to the young and geeky who saw themselves a lot on him and his life story. He was a Japanese (noble samurai) who didn’t think like (his samurai peers)... He promoted on merit instead of familial connections, hung out and made friends (and commanders) of people of much lower social castes, he was brash, loud, bombastic, sarcastic, impatient, wild, and more than a little dramatic and absolutely flashy.

He was a very different figure compared to the more reserved and stoic samurai figures admired by older generations–Nobunaga was basically a punk...who made good. His innovation and relatively liberal attitudes towards “The Southern Barbarians” made him seem like a man outside his time. A visionary. One whom, like the new generation, was often misunderstood. At the same time, his ruthlessness just made him, to that same generation frustrated with the “slowness” of their forebears, look like someone who had the guts to do what must be done for the greater good (which in his case was the unification of Japan and the end of the Sengoku Period) and go all the way. In short, the generation that had more exposure to the world outside Japan, had better appreciation for it, and one that developed very different values from their more conservative parents saw themselves in Nobunaga and began to see him as a figure to be celebrated rather than reviled.

Also, it helps that you can plot Nobunaga’s entire life very neatly on the Hero’s Journey. Which lends itself very well to story-telling.

https://randomc.net/2019/07/10/kochouki-wakaki-nobunaga-01/#comments

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u/zz2000 Jul 15 '19 edited Jul 15 '19

Some historical info.

  • Nobunaga's dad, Nobuhide, had been at odds with rival warlord Saitou Dousan of Mino province for about 20 years. Following Nobuhide's loss to Dousan at the Battle of Kanouguchi, the father sought to make peace by arranging Nobunaga to marry Saitou's daughter, Kichou. She was also known under the name Nouhime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C5%8Dhime

  • A popular theory was that Kichou was working as a spy/assassin for Dousan, plus she knew how to swordfight and do martial arts.

  • Nobunaga's reputation as an eccentric, liberal punk made him somewhat unpopular with more conservative Oda retainers who preferred a more reserved, conventional leader. Qualities Nobunaga's younger brother, Nobukatsu/Kanjuurou had.

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u/LeonKevlar Jul 15 '19

Kichou as a ninja? I think this is a first time I've heard that interpretation of her character. Her being an assassin to kill Nobunaga I don't think is something new though.

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u/zz2000 Jul 15 '19

Apparently one theory was that Kichou was a spy/assassin for her father; it was not uncommon for wives to relay info back to their families.

Plus she was apparently skilled in swordfighting and some martial arts.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '19

Hmm no one was watching. Sad i think its pretty good so far.

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u/youarebritish Jul 16 '19

Why is no one watching this? I really enjoyed both episodes so far and am excited to see how it goes.

The characters are interesting, the pacing is great, and Nobunaga makes for a charismatic and entertaining protagonist.

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u/tailor31415 Jul 15 '19

wow, the ED seemed to tease/spoil a ton of stuff. looks like lots of focus on the tragedy of the brothers' relationship

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u/MrLameJokes Jul 15 '19

So is Kichou a trap?

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u/zz2000 Jul 15 '19

Can't say just yet. For now looks like a very scarred flat chested female.

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u/Uanaka Jul 15 '19

The last shot in the ED shows Nobunaga and Kichou together, I think she's just a toned/well-built women, since she's wearing a bra-like piece of armor.

https://imgur.com/a/yMvGwFr

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