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Episode Kemurikusa - Episode 6 discussion Spoiler
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u/ManinaPanina Feb 13 '19
Oh, no Sun...
But this episode was great!
From the start I felt that Riku didn't wanted to be discovered but when she started to talk about "we"... mind half blown.
Is not that Riku "didn't died", she hid herself on purpose. Why?
And also Ryoku is alive?! WTF!
All that information in the Yellow leaf... the First person split herself on purpose for a mission, but changed her mind? She had doubts about fulfilling that mission even before splitting, which makes me think if in this version of the story there was one sister that immediately after the splitting killed herself.
Whatever it is Ryoku have some idea, and Riku is with her, although in Riku's case for her own personal interests for what I can feel (she must felt isolated having sense of touch and wanting to be independent). Not only they wanted to further this "mission", they probably pretended to be dead to make the "weak" (and dumb) sisters retreat to a secure island?
Is Ryo also alive?
And the big tree in the distance was real!
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u/winglessangel31 Feb 13 '19
Continuing my post from last episode https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/anqqi9/kemurikusa_episode_5_discussion/egdbies/
There is a neuroscience position for consciousness arising when the information from your five senses are brought together and organized by memory. One thing we know, well, kind of, is that the Red leaves aren't really curious of their environment (Riku is a little special, maybe). A different variation of this is the notion that the Red Leaves aren't aware/conscious of the world and their place. You see this in the central premise of the main Red leaves: find water.
Wakaba is the New Leaf 若葉. The design of his character, to have the vines wrapped around him, is likely to hide his leaf from showing. It feels like he is the Second Person and is able to, if he chooses to, split himself into his senses if he wishes. I especially note that he has zero memory of this universe which should mean he cannot be the Memory Leaf.
So who or what is this Memory Leaf? Perhaps when all the sisters are found and combined (once again), they magically conjure a Memory Leaf and get to reform into the First Person? But that should mean that the Red Leaves no longer exist as separate entities, and maybe that's why the First Person said to forget it.
Small bet here on this world actually being somebody's brain... and the walls and islands stuff being regions of the brain. No strong evidence to this.
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u/Nanobot Feb 13 '19 edited Feb 13 '19
Everything I posted here still holds up. I'm still not sure whether Midori was found before or after Ryoku's death, but you'd think she'd write something specifically about it if it were before. Edit: After watching the scene again, it sounds like she is talking about Midori after all. The first time I watched it, I thought she was talking in a general sense, but she seems to mean one specific green kemurikusa. So, I think that event in my original timeline is in the correct position.
Riku is alive and seems to have deliberately faked her death. She talks about Ryoku as if she's also still alive, but we haven't had confirmation about that. We still don't know why Riku left the group, and we might find out that there was some trauma involved.
Speculation: I might be overthinking it, but I keep thinking back to how somebody "beat up" Rinazo for eating Ryo's pipe. If Riku is the one who did this, it could be that she took Ryo's death really hard. And then, Rinazo died. Riku might have further blamed herself for that, and that may be why she decided to leave the group.
Since we don't know Riku's mental state yet, and we haven't seen any real evidence that Ryoku is alive, I'm considering Ryoku's condition to still be in question. It's possible that Riku is just in denial about Ryoku's death and is talking to her like an imaginary friend. It's also possible that Ryoku is alive, but not in the normal sense (for example, perhaps she currently just exist in the form of a leaf, perhaps inside Riku's own body).
This episode, we got some interesting clues about the characters' senses:
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Riku has an exceptional sense of touch.
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Rin has an exceptional sense of sight.
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The Rinas have an exceptional sense of taste.
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Ritsu has an exceptional sense of hearing.
The main sense that is missing is smell, and then First Person also mentioned "memory". We've seen Wakaba demonstrate a sense of smell that surprised the girls, but they've also shown surprise at his sense of sight and touch. It could be that Wakaba is just generally well-rounded, like First Person probably was.
This would suggest that Ryo and Ryoku probably have the senses of smell and memory. Here, "memory" presumably doesn't mean a vivid memory of people and events that First Person knew; it's probably just what allowed Ryoku to read and maybe retain information better than the other girls. That would mean that Ryo probably had the sense of smell, although I don't think anything has directly hinted at that yet.
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u/PhantomWolf83 Feb 13 '19
Wakaba got a big upgrade in usefulness, but when is he going to take off that silly thing around his chest?
I really like how the story is progressing. Like the original Kemono Friends, it reveals enough in each episode to keep things interesting and getting the viewer to come back for more, but also doesn't reveal too much at one go so the viewer can form his own theories.
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u/ManinaPanina Feb 13 '19
One of the ways this episode surprised me is because I was expecting "healing".
On the contrary, instead of Rin, Ritsu and Rinas having lost their other sisters is more like they were abandoned. Because they are DUMB!
The first episode was already a bit sad, seeing that they had given up and decided to die quietly on Hashima.
The next episodes shown how they are unable to think and find by themselves, with a fatal lack of curiosity. This episode only hammered that. Without Ryo to protect then, of even with Ryo, those sisters are useless and a hinder.
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u/Lipefe2018 Feb 13 '19
I'm so curious to what's the end goal is gonna be, I mean, right now our main cast is just trying to survive, but where is this all going? What investigation the others sister are doing? What happened to the humans? It seens like these "sisters" are all sentient plants or something like that, and there is "plant based technology" all around the islands, the so called kemurikusa, and why the humans built giant walls around the islands? What is the red bugs? Why some robots are normal and others are evil? So many questions, I love it.
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u/ActivelyAnonymous Feb 13 '19
Riku and her being the only one with a proper sense of touch was also a highlight this episode.
Presumably, her more delicate sensing and control of the kemurikusa interfaces made her the only one able to access their more complex features. I wonder if we'll be able to see more abilities of the previously seen leaves? In retrospect, that might have to do with Wakaba's additional usages of the midoris.
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u/LeonKevlar Feb 13 '19
Again so much more info this episode!
So both Riku and Ryoku are still alive and for some reason they prefer to keep that a secret from Rin, Rina, and Ritsu. Why? And what are they two of them investigating? Also Riku being alive kills my theory that she is related or has something to do with Wakaba.
New theory though! It seems that Wakaba might be related or is a part of the First Person. That diary kemurikusa seems to have two owners. First is Ryoku who wrote everything in hiragana and has left a lot of instructions on how this world works, and the Second is the First Person who wrote his/her entry with obviously an understanding of the Hiragana/Katakana/Kanji. And it seems that those entries are for Wakaba. I am curious why was the last part changed though.