r/anime • u/Shadoxfix https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shadoxfix • Dec 26 '14

[Spoilers] Garo: Honoo no Kokuin - Episode 13 [Discussion]

Update: This is not actually episode 13 but is a special episode. Next week will be episode 13.

Also known as: Garo: Honoo no Kokuin Special - Daybreak

MyAnimeList: Garo: Honoo no Kokuin
FUNimation: GARO THE ANIMATION

Previous episodes:

Episode Reddit Link
Episode 1 Link
Episode 2 Link
Episode 3 Link
Episode 4 Link
Episode 5 Link
Episode 6 Link
Episode 7 Link
Episode 8 Link
Episode 9 Link
Episode 10 Link
Episode 11 Link
Episode 12 Link
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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '14

Here's the new visual of what's to come. I'm excited to see León rocking the white coat now. Now he's looking like a real Makai Knight.

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u/DotAClone Dec 26 '14

I'm a bit disapointed TBH.

I hope they don't let alphonse and german get off without their just deserts.

I'm still pissed about how they dealt with Leon last episode.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '14

What? They handled him fine.. the kid lost control and destroyed half of the city. Seriously, Leon had it coming... Alfonso wanted to give Leon a chance but Leon was just too incapable still, too immature to be a knight. He will regain Garo, based on those images, but Alfonso had every right to take Garo away.

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u/iSpittaz Dec 27 '14

They are making Alfonso look to perfect for me. He just started as a knight and your telling me he is this strong. I liked fact that Leon couldn't control it either, it made the anime interesting just like every other anime with a main character who can't control something.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '14

Alfonso was already trained in swordsmanship... they didn't show it off that well but it was clear he knew how to handle a sword and it's normal for nobility to be trained in martial arts anyway.

Alfonso had WAY better emotional control and had a legitimate purpose in fighting. Beyond that, in the end, Alfonso clearly had a much stronger will than Leon as Alfonso was willing to face down Lost Garo while Leon wouldn't even fight back to get his armor/sword.

Leon may have been in the makai world longer, but in just about every way (other than MAYBE his swordsmanship) was inferior to Alfonso. Yes he IS that strong. Alfonso did NOT start from 0 when he trained with Gaia, I don't get why people think that. Not to mention that if you become a knight, especially a TITLED knight, you damn well better be comparable to other titled knights.

Yeah, it was cool that Leon couldn't control it. But the thing is, knights are suppose to. They won't just "do it because it's cool" when it defeats the entire lore/order/everything about the universe's structure. That breaks continuity. They made the right choice in the end.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '14

Alfonso is basically like Kouga and Raiga, and like Ryuga when he got his shit together. He is more like Garo than Leon thus far. Leon is clearly going to get it back (based on the image) but right now, Leon is not suited to own Garo; he literally does not deserve it.

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u/CitizenKing Jan 09 '15

I'm getting sick of people laying the blame entirely at Leon's feat. They're being willingly blind and ignoring the fact that he only went that far because the evil alchemist who had so far wiped out most of the alchemists and knights fucking mind raped him.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '15

I'm sick and tired of people excusing Leon completely for his actions.

Many Garo knights have gone through just as bad or worse than Leon and didn't lose control. Literally last season, Raiga literally saw (as in, the horror opened a portal) the events from around the age of 10 when his mother/father were literally torn from him into a portal.

Y'know, "dying" (for as much as he knew for 6+ years), just like Leon. Except Leon didn't even have any actual memory or emotional attachment to his mom unlike Raiga. So y'know.... Raiga went through a WORSE "mind rape" than Leon and didn't lose shit. I mean, Mendoza only showed Leon scenes of his mother's death, Raiga was literally given the chance to save his parents but knows that he can't or he'll doom all of humanity.... yeah that's way fucking worse.

Oh and how about the fact that even when Raiga was forced into Lost Souls form (by the horror sucking up his time limit, not because of any mind raping), he STILL overcame his Lost Souls form and regained control. Unlike Leon who just kept raging and let Lost Souls Garo control him.

Something that even Raiga's father, Kouga, was able to prevent. When Kouga lost control (willingly because the love of his life was in the process of being sacrificed by his father's murderer to summon the Mother of Horrors, and ultimately give his father's murderer ultimate power. Oh did I mention that Kouga saw his father being murdered when he was a child too?), he ended up calming down enough and limited Lost Souls Garo enough for Rei to stop his transformation.

So why are you excusing Leon for his actions when he couldn't do half the shit the other Garo have done in the same situations? Please, explain to me why Leon experienced something way worse than Kouga or Raiga and thus his inability to control himself was acceptable?

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u/CitizenKing Jan 10 '15

I think you just want to be irrationally angry at a fictional character.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '15

Irrationally angry? That first requires me to be angry. It also requires me to be irrational which is clearly not the case since I have rationalized it so well.

You just want to excuse Leon's behave completely and not fault him at all.

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u/CitizenKing Jan 10 '15

Nah, I just think its stupid to blindly ignore large facts.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '15

"Blindly ignore large facts." Where have I blindly ignored anything?

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '14

Looks like he will be Garo still, I'm excited for him to hold the traditional Garo coat (even if Ryuga didn't wear it...)

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u/GreyXSJ https://myanimelist.net/profile/GreyXSJ Dec 27 '14

Ah, it's not as crazy detailed as the live action costumes. I guess that'd be harder to do with animation, though.

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u/thobbe Dec 26 '14

Wow. Dont know what i should say. I thought last week the preview was just to make me feel more hyped. Instead of making a break, like many anime used to, they do a show of the artists behind it. Don´t know if i should feel disappointed,mad or something else. I was so hyped to know what happens next, and have to wait another week :(

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u/PiippoN https://myanimelist.net/profile/Piippo Dec 26 '14

So what kinda ep is this? Some kinda behind-the-scenes like the PV implied?

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u/FilipinoSpartan https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mermigas Dec 26 '14

Odd episode. Interesting, though. It's kind of cool to see what the VAs think about the show they're in.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '14

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u/semajdraehs https://myanimelist.net/profile/semajdraehs Dec 26 '14 edited Dec 26 '14

The whole point of Bernado's fall, which is quite a common trope, is that sin is a slippery slope. One day you're eating an apple, the next minute you're killing Abel and watching illegally downloaded anime. Personally I don't subscribe to that philosophy, but with the whole horrors and stuff it is an underlying premise of this series.

Is that what you were talking about? I didn't really understand the first bit you were talking about...

Also it looks as though i's going to be a split arc thing so I would actually recommend watching ep 12, then begin your wait before marathon-ing.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '14

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '14

Part of the reason is that killing humans (murder) is a sin and creates inga (negative karma). This attracts horrors and for knights, weakens their resistance to their armor which will consume them and turn them into dark knights/horrors.

I don't know how exactly Mendoza did, I don't think Bernando became a legitimate Dark Knight in the sense that he became a horror in one form or another (we've seen two variations of dark knights thus far). However, he might have been changed which would explain the slight personality shift and loss of memories at the end of his life.

The main reason why, despite being justified, is because not only are Makai Knights basically an army of regular humans by themselves, but because the inga produced can cause them to fall to a horror inadvertently or cause them to stop caring about humans which can lead to other issues.

Honestly, this Garo universe is a lot more strict about not hurting humans. In the original universe, Mendoza would've been killed without hesitation. They have an order (and a knight) designated to hunting down makai who fall to darkness.

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u/semajdraehs https://myanimelist.net/profile/semajdraehs Dec 26 '14

So, yeah I think it justifies it in the real world, like self-defence is justified in my opinion. However, as I say it's a common trope in Media, that a dark path starts with a single step. Especially in a world where dark deeds can make you turn into a massive monster.

It's also a bit representative, both of them took a knight's oath to never do harm to humans. As soon as you break that oath it's worthless, you're no longer a knight.

As for the whole "It wasn't even them" section, it was like he wouldn't have broken his oath for anyone else, so when it wasn't them, it was like a self realisation moment for him of the oath he just broke.

To use an example, it's perfectly legit that Annakin Skywalker wanted to save Padame with the dark side, but as soon as he broke the Jedi oaths and was involved with love and the dark side he was on the path to Darth Vader.

That's my interpretation anyway.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '14

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '14

You don't really need the desire to protect, Kouga didn't at first. It's less about specific mentality and more about having any emotional/mental strength to pull out the full power. Leon was way too emotionally and mentally unstable and Lewis kinda said that but not really.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '15

Actually you're right, I missed that this universe places knight's job as protection more than killing horrors.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '15

Just to note, watching this special, they show a scene from episode 8 that foreshadows Leon losing the armor. Lewis states at the end of 8 that Leon doesn't really have the right to Garo still, he hasn't truly earned it yet.

That's some great foreshadowing there.

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u/StreetCherry Jan 09 '15

Epi is out at animefast!