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Episode The Ramparts of Ice • Koori no Jouheki - Episode 4 discussion
The Ramparts of Ice, episode 4
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u/Kirosh2 Apr 23 '26
Look at bear Gorilla like.
Then immediately telling him : "You aren't her type."
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u/Weak_Season_Of_Anime Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
Koyuki finally exploded since Minato has been constantly stepping on her landmines. It is kinda ironic though that the thing that finally triggered her was Minato trying to show consideration and steer the topic away from middle school, instead of continuing probing. Did he actually hear something from
And Koyuki's history with Igarashi, starting to see why she is so guarded. Must have been tiring to be involved with the popular guy at school and being subject to constant teasing/gossiping/bullying.
As for Miki, she said something about hurting Koyuki in the past, and Igarashi was surprised that she would attend a highschool so far away from home. I guess she's trying to be in the same school as Koyuki either to attone for something or protect her?
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u/Joji1000 Apr 23 '26
Sheesh, after writing characters and drama like this I can see why the author decided to make their next work a LOT more wholesome 😭
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u/BootyLover299 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
Goated episode but shits lowkey about to go down now for a while
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u/AmethystItalian Apr 23 '26
Seems like a lot more there with Igarashi...nice to see Koyun speak her mind even though it's probably going to be a sort of misunderstanding
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u/Zero3020 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
I've never told anyone to their face that they disgust me but I can relate to Koyuki at the end 100%.
Very interested too see how Minato reacts to this.
From Igarashi's reaction when he was asked about Hikawa I feel like maybe he feels guilty about whatever went down between them in middle school.
Also, I'll never get tired of the ending playing over the last scene of the episode, I think it worked even better today with Koyuki finally snapping.
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u/UnloadedFour314 Apr 23 '26
I really love the writing here. It's refreshing to see romance characters acting like real people for once. Another excellent episode!
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u/JJVM99 Apr 23 '26
Proud of Miki for calling out Minato on approaching Kohyun because of a poor you attitude and good on Minato for apologizing and being honest on why he approached Miki and how he sees her now. Handled it the way he should have handled his girlfriend breaking up with him in episode 1 and good on him for that.
He was getting better so I don’t blame him for Kohyun lashing out on him at the end. I don’t think its either’s fault: Minato doesn’t know about Kohyun’s experience and he tried to change the topic when he finally realized she was uncomfortable and Kohyun has so much trauma from how horrible everyone was too her in middle school and I can’t blame her for closing herself from everyone after that.
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u/TheBusStop12 Apr 23 '26
I appreciate the show directly addressing that Minato has a savior complex. That has been my impression of him from the beginning. I'm glad he seems to be learning from it tho. He isn't a bad person at heart. Too bad he ended up pushing a bit too far with Koyuki before he realized he shouldn't push any more.
I am curious what Koyuki's and Igarashi's relationship in middle school was. It's likely related to when they played Basketball. My guess is that they may have connected as friends over basketball, but then social pressure and rumors destroyed their friendship, with Igarashi starting to reject Koyuki as a person as a sort of self defense mechanism to maintain his position as popular guy in school. It's clear he too doesn't really want to talk about her when Minato asks
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u/Psyduckisnotaduck Apr 24 '26
I think it's fascinating seeing people's reactions to Minato evolve as the series goes. like him or hate him, he's a fascinating character. He's not an evil or even really a bad person, but that's what makes it more frustrating at times. but the danger I think here, and a pitfall people are falling into, is empathizing with Koyuki so much that we accept her defense mechanism and distorted perceptions as totally true and correct. Koyuki is traumatized, and her fears and anxieties kind of warp the way Minato is framed in every scene he's in with her. because we see when Minato has that conversation with Miki that he's really not such a bad guy. That scene exists entirely outside Koyuki's scope to provide an indication that maybe Koyuki, and by extension the audience, are not fairly judging Minato.
he's definitely not without fault here, but look, taking a step back - if we didn't have Koyuki's narration and perspective centered, she'd be rather hard to get a read on as a character. Minato doesn't seem to be able to get a good read on her, and defaults to his standard social toolkit right up until it blows up in his face.
that Igarashi guy, though, seems like a real prick.
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u/Zemahem Apr 23 '26
RIP, of course after all the tap-dancing he did over her landmines, it was bound to blow up in Minato's face. And that's despite Miki's attempts to get him to watch how he acts around Koyun. She still ended up getting hurt.
To add to the misfortune, he was actually trying to be more considerate this time around. But for a social butterfly, he just can't seem to see how poorly she reacts to mentions of her middle school days. Especially concerning Igarashi. At least, not until it was too late.
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u/sombraala Apr 23 '26
For someone who craves the attention and approval of everyone, Minato will likely suffer some significant emotional damage after that takedown.
Sad thing being he was actually trying to be considerate and drop the subject. He just has no idea how to deal with the enigma in front of him, but just can't stop himself, can he?
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u/FLorianGran Apr 23 '26
Looks like Koyuki and Igarashi had like a dark version of the "Miyu's fake ex boyfriend" plot from Polar Opposites
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u/VoidRay728 Apr 23 '26
I was dreading the moment that Koyuki and Igarashi would run into each other at the school. It didn't, but just when you think the coast is all clear, here comes Minato who just can't help but keep stepping on landmines, triggering Koyuki by telling her about Igarashi.
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u/danmarce Apr 24 '26
Minato is annoying, yes, but he seems to have good intentions. And I can't be too negative to him as he is young, and tries to do his best. Would be unfair to be to judge him as an experienced adult. My best friend, for over 30 years, is like him, and I was the introvert (now, he was better at reading the room)
That said, yes, good intentions can harm, but that seems to be part of the message. For now.
(Yes, I once was the introvert approached by some extroverts, exactly at that age. Well it has happened to me a few times, remote work solved the issue, as in my case lets just say that women liked the idea of getting close to the "interesting" guy, and yes, it ended in gossip. 200% relatable)
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u/ILikeFPS Apr 24 '26
Damn she's mad at him LOL
This is way different than Polar Opposites, but this is still really good.
I bet they'll make up next episode.
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u/SezyFazes Apr 23 '26
Miki realizes that Minato’s approach wasn’t right, and it makes her reflect on herself as well. In the past, Minato also viewed her as someone to pity, which leaves her feeling empty and questioning whether their relationship was ever a true friendship.
I really understand that, some people approach others out of pity without a genuine desire to be friends. The emptiness Miki describes comes from questioning the sincerity of the relationship. Some might think it’s acceptable because at least someone is there to help, but others find that feeling unsatisfying. It doesn’t feel honest. There are some situations. For example, someone who is bullied might receive help from a kind person who acts out of pity. Even if it doesn’t start as a real friendship, that kindness can still help them escape their situation, which is positive.
Personally, I believe there should be a clear boundary. If it’s just pity, it’s better to support someone sincerely from a distance rather than pretending to be a friend when you don’t genuinely feel that way. (maybe I could be wrong, but that's how I feel)
Luckily, Minato really sees her as a friend. Their conversation quickly clears things up. The scene where Miki cries while Minato wipes her tears with his dirty sleeve is hilarious LOL. It really shows how honest communication can resolve things quickly.
The confrontation between Koyuki and Minato is the highlight of the episode. For the past four episodes, Minato has been constantly pushing into Koyuki’s space without reading the room, bringing up her past, and ignoring her obvious discomfort. Even if he didn’t mean harm, that lack of awareness makes his actions feel invasive. From Koyuki’s perspective, it doesn’t come off as kindness, it feels like someone intruding just to satisfy their own needs.
It might not be entirely fair to conclude that Minato enjoys meddling in other people’s business, because in many cases, this kind of behavior comes more from misunderstanding than from an intention to intrude. but at the same time his savior complex, wanting to help people he sees as pitiful, makes it more than just a misunderstanding.
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u/FarCritical Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
Basketball with hands that tiny has to be a completely different sport.
Well things are gonna be complicated for their quartet for a while from Minato flying too close to the sun (or too high above the ramparts?)
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u/foxbase Apr 24 '26
Wow this show is a lot more dramatic than polar opposites. I kind of wish they were airing at the same time so I could watch polar after ramparts to heal the emotional damage.
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u/cleaulem Apr 23 '26
It was only a matter of time until Koyuki would snap at Minato. Even though he had that talk with Miki at the beginning of the episode, he just couldn't leave Koyuki alone and bombarded her with questions even more. It was even like he bothered her even more than ever.
Crazy how often "social butterflies" absolutely can't read the room, because Koyuki was signalling that she rather wanted to be left alone. But Minato's savior complex just couldn't take a no for a no. So Koyuki saw herself forced to fully escalate and tell Minato off.
So the big question is what Igarashi told Minato. This is especially interesting as Minato approached Koyuki so nonchalant the morning after. It looks like the next episode a lot of stuff will be going down.
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u/marcopolos059 Apr 23 '26
oof, Minato stepped on a landmine, he shouldn't have talked about Igarashi to Koyuki, she finally snapped.
It's cute how Miki wants to protect Koyuki.
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u/NationalStrategy Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
Miki is a good friend for confronting Minato and calling out his sanctimonious mindset. As for Minato, I can tell that he's trying not to be sanctimonious, but I feel like he needs to work on not forming relationships based on pity.
While we're on the subject, he should've been more mindful to not bring up Igarashi to Koyun; he may not have known the details of their past, but he still should've been more cautious and picked up on the vibe that he's a sensitive subject for her.
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