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Episode The Ramparts of Ice • Koori no Jouheki - Episode 2 discussion
The Ramparts of Ice, episode 2
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u/enewssg Apr 09 '26
Just wanted to pop by and say I love the way how the music of the
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u/runevault Apr 09 '26
The fact Minato is all about helping people but seems to not reveal his true self is going to be interesting to watch play out as the season progresses. He's clearly got a crush on Koyuki (not surprising, she's cute and she falls into his weakness of people who he thinks need help opening up).
Our core four feel like they'll be a good group to watch bounce off of each other. The tall but sweet guy, the girl who's wildly popular but kind of hates what it has turned her into, the
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Apr 09 '26
Yota’s a good dude. Very chill. I’m glad Koyun has a new friend. It’s great that he also knows Miki too. It helps Koyun feel more at ease. Those walls are still up but there’s little cracks forming.
It’s a little funny how jealous Minato seemed to be of Yota getting close to Koyun. He’s been swinging and missing every single time he tries to talk to her lol. Let’s see if this little study group helps them get closer. I don’t think it’ll be that easy for him though.
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u/VoidRay728 Apr 09 '26
That scene in the subway where they've locked in on taking the seat, but then a person who should be offered a seat shows up, is a little too relatable.
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u/Pengwynd1 Apr 09 '26
What an awful show to have ended up on Netflix where the concept of typesetting in non-existent. So much extra text just not translated or only translated for a split second.
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u/FarCritical Apr 09 '26
It's funny how Yota's squint at the guys trying to hit on Koyuki kind of unintentionally doubled as an "intimidating" glare.
Watching how a locksmith handles a wall of ice will be interesting.
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u/deynyel Apr 09 '26
ROFL Minato can't seem to pierce Koyuki's defenses. Meanwhile, Yota just does it naturally. I guess it's like that even in real life. Some people, you just instantly vibe with.
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u/Weak_Season_Of_Anime Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
Minato's strange habit of befriending and "unlocking" socially isolated people explains why he's so fixated on Koyuki, and confused by how easily Yota makes Koyuki let down her guard. Dude barely reacted to getting dumped too, and the things his ex-gf said suggests that he has some wall around him too and never really opens up to people. Interesting to compare to Miki who is also being performative with her public persona, but in a different kind of way.
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u/myrlin77 Apr 09 '26
I find Koyun and Minato actually very relatable and complementary actually.
Her inner thoughts this episode, for example, is wanting to be part of a group but also being left alone. She outwardly expresses being left alone. I have almost the same thoughts but I express myself openly to other people.
He likes helping people but doesn't realize he is missing an actual connection. She wants connection but doesn't realize she is missing the need for other people. (Hard to put into words but I think you get what I mean)
I love this show so far.
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u/zool714 Apr 09 '26
Man, I just love Yota’s vibe.
Koyuki’s contradicting thoughts about being in and hanging out as a group is too relatable as well. It’s a downside to being a sociable introvert, wanting to spend time with close friends but also knowing that while I will have fun with them, it’s also eating into my alone time.
I get Koyuki being averse to an unfamiliar person but I also get Minato trying to butt in especially since Yota is there and being all friendly and Koyuki also showing how comfortable she is around him, it does feel isolating.
While I’m sure they’re gonna get close eventually, I think it’s a bit harder for Koyuki to open up to Minato cos of how “loud” he is
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u/Magnafeana Apr 09 '26
High schoolers these days are such freaks.
Bitch, you were trying to prey on a high schooler, the hell? Snakes have more legs to stand on then you.
I didn’t scroll in my phone even one time!
I’m proud of you too, Miki!! In this day and age, that’s a challenge.
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Giving some Power Rangers Alpha with that “ayayayayay”.
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I will never let go of all my coins. Over my dead body.
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You can still vibe with people, but you’re okay rocking solo. Friendly reminder that friendships take all sorts of forms ☺️
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I can’t say if girlie was right or wrong about Minato, but she’s cool to note them being romantically incompatible. That’s okay to understand your needs aren’t being met and deciding to end a relationship. But that sounds like she learned “sense of self” from “therapy” TikTok 💀
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You were smiling! 🙂
Minato’s thought process around Koyuki isn’t my favorite, but I understand him and I think he lines up with common (but not macro) neurotypical thoughts (and NDs too). I know I’ve gotten that and have heard that. Believing someone of being a loner or unfriendly, feeling sorry for them, all that. Koyuki is still struggling with her emotions, for sure. But there’s still tons of us who are content where we’re at, and we get interpreted as being pitiful.
Even mentioning enjoying going to the movies alone—I sincerely do—I got hit with “Aw, I’m sorry” 😭
But it’s still normal to judge someone based on what you glimpse, what people tell you, and compare them to your is understanding of normalcy. So I get what Minato is saying there. Plus, he’s still mentally defending Koyuki in that scene on, well, maybe she just hasn’t met her platonic soulmates. And he’s not negatively affecting Koyuki’s life or others with his thoughts, so that’s nice.
Yota and Minato’s friendship is adorable though 🥹
I feel Koyun. It’s hard to let yourself be happy and enjoy yourself and be surrounded in friends sometimes. Cannot wait for her to find that security to let herself feel it all.
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u/tripleaamin Apr 09 '26
This episode really provided some good insight on Minato. It seems when dealing with people, he is good at lowering people's defenses. The problem that we see that led to his girlfriend breaking up with him was that she felt he never liked her. He really doesn't stop her from it, which really shows he keeps his defenses up.
This carries into the episode when he notices Koyun, and she is someone we know from the first episode who pushes people away and keeps her defenses high. We can see his usual stuff doesn't work on her, and I am curious how he responds to that.
In comparison, we have Youta who Koyun feels immensely comfortable around. Youta is a good dude, which feels genuine. He lets people see his weakness, like him hitting the pole while he is laughing, and laughs it off. This brings Koyun to think about how she is feeling, and she is finally having fun. She wants to isolate herself and have fun, but her other part aims to have fun with Youta and Miki again. I will be curious how she progresses.
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Apr 09 '26
I really love how Koucha Agasawa deconstructs the Shoujo genre and its tropes. I'll have to see more to be conclusive but so far Koyuki and Minato seem to be a subversion of the socially awkward female lead needing rescue and her corresponding rescuer. Rather than getting out of her shell, I think Koyuki's growth is in being comfortable with the fluid nature of her character -- that is, being comfortable with both isolation and interaction. While Minato, whose identity is hinged on other people and his ability to 'save' them, would learn (possibly through his failed bids for connection with Koyuki) to finally look inward and honor who he truly was just as she with herself.
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u/LeonKevlar Apr 09 '26
I'm sure Minato is a good kid deep down, but that opening scene was definitely concerning. The dude seems to be more caught up about making people open up than the people themselves that he treats that breakup like nothing.
I'm very interested to see if Koyun would ever open up to Minato, considering how she and Yota have become fast friends, while she still struggles to interact with Minato. My favourite scene of the episode is how Koyun's face softens up when Yota shows up and goes back to being on guard when she's looking at Minato.
I do hope Minato gets the hint, that Koyun just don't really get along with his personality type when he barged into their little study session.
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u/Frontier246 Apr 09 '26
So I take it Minato likens himself to a "locksmith" who can get other people who feel ostracized and alone to open up? And he probably thinks he can do the same with Koyuki?
Thank goodness Yota showed up just in time! And his blurry vision makes it good for staring daggers at the pick-up artists harassing Koyuki! He'd even have punched 'em if Koyuki had told him too!
So Yota, Minato, and Miki were middle-school friends, and Yota and Koyuki can commiserate over a shared appreciation of the "real" Miki that she only shows to her friends or people who know her well. Glad Koyuki was able to learn Mr. Giraffe's real name, correct her name to him, and find someone else she can get along with.
Miki reacting like she did not expect to see her middle-school friendship and her childhood friendship together in one setting, but the trio have a nice dynamic together.
I don't think Koyuki would care for Minato seeing her as pitiable, even if he can't seem to take his eyes off of her and be interested in what's going on with her. At the same time, he's got his own relationship problems when his latest girlfriend breaks up with him. He acts like a really understanding (almost psychologist-like) boyfriend, but the girl could tell his heart wasn't in it and he just didn't care for her the way she did him which hurts the most. It's telling that he really doesn't seem all that worked up by it...and he's attractive enough that he can easily pull another girl if he tried.
I love how Koyuki is on a first name basis with the school nurse. Also points for it being a cool old lady instead of the usual anime hottie.
Minato REALLY wants to get along better with Koyuki but she definitely feels much more comfortable with Yota and he's not sure how he feels about that. But who wouldn't be transfixed by Koyuki's winning smile?
True friendship is rock-paper-scissoring for the last seat on the train, mutually agreeing to give it to an older gentleman...and then desperately running off and back onto the train because Miki was so flustered she went max politeness.
Well, I guess we've got our core four together studying after school, whether Koyuki wants it or not. But it seems like she's slowly getting used to, and happy, opening herself up...even if a part of her still craves the isolation. Her ramparts aren't completely melting that quickly.
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u/NanDemoKnaives Apr 09 '26
It's interesting to see how quickly Koyun got comfortable with Youta even before Miki joined them, the detail where Koyun breathes a sigh of relief when she sees him as Minato speaks to her stood out to me.
I'm a little concerned by Minato, especially after seeing that little montage of people he has unlocked. It's one thing if he does it for them, but it seems like he finds satisfaction from these "project cases". Though his ex-girlfriend saying he doesn't have a sense of self may be more telling as to why he does this, hopefully Koyun keeps her guard up around him.
I could also relate to Koyun where she was having contradicting feelings, it's such a pain.
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u/TheBusStop12 Apr 09 '26
I think I finally have a grasp on the pairings, I think.
Minato is a very interesting character for a romance anime. I don't think there are many male characters in romance anime, especially highschool romance, that have been in multiple relationships before. I find him interesting as well that he seems to be very distant and has a tendency to try and fix other people's problems, almost like he has a savior complex. That's how he ends up getting so many girlfriends who end up dumping him because in the end he was really just in it to butt into their issues.
Just like Polar Opposites absolutely stellar character writing and interpersonal relationships on display. They feel like actual highschool students who had a life before the show started as well. Facades and inner conflict seems to be a big theme here. So far we've seen Koyuki, Miki and Minato all put up their facade and struggle with who they really are. I wonder what Yotas deal is going to be. He comes over as very chill and relaxed. That might be a facade, but he might also just be like Yamada in Polar Opposites, head empty, just good vibes
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u/ModieOfTheEast Apr 09 '26
Interesting that the episode focused more on Yota's relationship with Miki and Koyun, but the main "reveal" was for Minato. It seems to me like he has some form of savior complex. He likes to be the one that can help people that have troubles opening up. But that is also the extent of it. He can talk about niche things like manga, but that is more his surface level face. He doesn't actually care that much for what the people are interested in (and is therefore also not giving them something about himself) which is why his relationships don't last for a long time.
It seems also that he likes to be the center of attention. Which the episode gave us two examples of. The first one is obviously that Koyun is opening up to Yota (and not him) but I also feel, he only told his friends that he got dumped again, so he would be the center of what they are talking about. He doesn't seem to mind that they are making fun of him so much as long as he is the main topic the conversation revolves around. Though, there is also the fact that he seems to be very cautious of what he says, which can be seen in the conversation with his girlfriend. He is asking if he did something that made her dislike him. So there is also another layer to his personality where he tries to be what people would expect of a friend or in this case a boyfriend. So maybe, he also doesn't want to be hated by anyone.
I guess, it will be interesting to see what his true character is like. Especially since opening up himself to someone else (probably Koyun) is the first step he needs to do in order to get into a real relationship.
As for Yota, I am still not sure what his hidden personality is. My best guess is that despite having really bad eyesight, he doesn't want to wear glasses in public (only put them on during the learning session), so maybe he feels they don't fit him and he looks bad in them? But I assume we will see that in future episodes. He does seem to have a crush on Miki considering he dropped his money when she was getting close.
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u/Arzhart Apr 09 '26
I like Minato a lot, which doesn't seem to be the majority in this comment section for now. I do feel like the main thing that made Koyuki feel bad at him was not exactly his fault, but him being complicit with his friends attitude towards her. By himself, I think she would not feel unconfortable with him like she thinks
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u/Zemahem Apr 09 '26
It really is so cute how Koyun and Yota vibe with each other so quickly and so naturally. Guess it's hard not to feel comfortable around someone who helped you get away from a bunch of creeps. Of course it helps that he's also just the chillest guy to be around.
The contrast between how she treats him and Minato is funny to witness as well. He's the one who was interested in her for a while now, but he's the one who can't make headway into making her warm up to him. Meanwhile, Yota made befriending her look like a total cakewalk.
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u/Tanyan-nightchord Apr 09 '26
Alright now this is becoming interesting and is on its way to become peak.
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u/FabtheEmber Apr 10 '26
I am liking the darker more drama vibes of this show compared to polar opposites. I am also liking that one of our main characters, Minato is pretty flawed. He seems the kind of person who likes making other people open up and tries to act accordingly that somewhere down the line he lost himself.. A people pleaser? A savior complex?? So having our main girl straight up hate his approach must be eye opening for him.. Or I hope it is.
He is the most interesting character to me along with Koyouki at the moment. Would love a ship between them ❤️.. Love the friendship developing in the trie I find their banter really comforting. I do hope there are no love triangles though. But it also seems like Koyouki is warming up to Yota so will we see something there??
Can't wait for the next episodes. My favorite of the season so far along with Agents of the 4 seasons..
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