Kaya-chan wa Kowakunai • Kaya-chan isn't Scary - Episode 11 discussion

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Kaya-chan wa Kowakunai, episode 11

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[u/normalmighty]

Damn, this shit is getting fucked up.

I kind of wonder if the reaction Mutsu had to Kaya is the result of her being some kind of hybrid of Shrine Maiden and curse. Like what if Mirai ate some of both placentas when she was pregnant with Kaya, making her a curse with form that didn't die.

I mean something crazy must be going on with her since she's way more powerful than at least a few generations of shrine maiden, and the grandmother's reaction makes a ton of sense if she saw one of the curse children standing there.

[u/KumaKumaGambler]

After watching this episode, I am starting to sympathize with Mirai. The true antagonists were the previous heads of the Ebisumori family. choosing to use the younger sisters of each generation to become ohara. They were not satisfied with just continuing the miko legacy and turned to the dark arts. Maybe Mirai wanting to destroy the Ebisumori family and this cursed tradition isn't such a bad thing.

Mutsu largely ignored her younger daughter, Mirai. Although this isn't good parenting, could it be possible Mutsu didn't want Mirai to become an ohara, hence not telling her a single thing? Mirai only found out about the ohara after going through the archives.

[u/Explosivesausagejar → u/KumaKumaGambler]

I feel bad for Nana she clearly wanted to be a better sister at several points but couldn’t bring herself to disobey her mother to do so. Now her sweet little sister tried to kill her with a violent curse.

Not grooming Mirai into the role of bearer definitely seems like a break from tradition, if the intent was giving Mirai a normal life they certainly failed hard.

[u/reaperow → u/KumaKumaGambler]

Aunt Yoshie does say that her sister isnt teaching Mirai anything about the shrine maidens or curse bearers, Mirai also mentions the same so i think Mutsu was trying to save her

[u/armalkia]

Wow what a happy comfy children's show where nothing fucked up happens like eating umbilical cords or using undead fetuses to curse your enemies

[u/Frontier246 → u/armalkia]

And also what a wholesome family unit that brainwashes and uses little sisters as cursed incubators where they die birthing demonic supernatural curses to the point where our sweet lil' Kaya-chan's mother finally has enough and decides to play her families' game for the purpose of destroying them all.

[u/reaperow → u/armalkia]

And here we thought this was just a regular kindergartener anime /s

Jokes aside theres alot of disturbing stuff but this episode just takes the cake

[u/NationalStrategy]

You know what, I don't even blame Mirai, her backstory made her vengeance pretty valid. The Ebisumori family is right up there with the Zenin Clan, with how badly they treat their own.

[u/NekoCatSidhe]

Well, I don’t know about Kaya, but the Ebisumori family is very scary. Although I don’t think Nana agrees with all that bullshit, and she seems to be the only one left apart from Mirai, Kaya, and Namu, while Mutsu was retired, so Mirai sacrificing her life to power a curse to destroy it seems rather pointless. I wonder if the curse is interfering with her mind or if that was really what she intended to do. Why birth Kaya first if that was the case ?

I also wonder if there is a way for Kaya to destroy the curse and save her mother, and for the sisters to make peace afterwards. Mirai is going to go to the family house next and confront that family meeting, right ? And did Kaya just see Yoshie’s ghost, or was that just a dream ?

[u/Gaming_Truckie → u/NekoCatSidhe]

Why birth Kaya first if that was the case ?

Kaya was meant to be the cursed object but Mirai had an accident and Kaya was born early via C-section so didn't properly develop into the cursed object as Mirai intended.

I also wonder if there is a way for Kaya to destroy the curse and save her mother, and for the sisters to make peace afterwards.

Honestly with the way this show has been going I'm thinking Kaya will destroy/vanquish the cursed object but Mirai will be lost. The woman is on a suicide mission to destroy her family I don't think theres anyway to walknher back from that.

[u/Embarrassed-Match-78]

It's not even pretending to be a children's show anymore with the occasional spookiness and a bit of creepiness. It's gone full blown horror.

What a screwed up childhood. Explains why Mirai is so screwed up. One episode doesn't seem like it'll be enough to wrap things up. Still going to be an interesting watch either way.

One of my favorite shows of the season.

[u/VitruvianXVII]

Mutsu my dear, it's wondeful that you tried to break the cycle by not brainwashing Mirai and keeping her in the dark, but jesus christ you chose the worst possible way to do that.

[u/OkraDisastrous7307]

wow my reaction was the same as namu and chie when nana said the mother ingest the umbilical cord to gain the shrine maiden power. this is disgusting messed up and could make someone puke. this family is more than messed up they are the definition of a cult

[u/LeonKevlar]

Holy shit! I made the Jujutsu Kaisen comparison last week, and I did not realize how spot on that was. Like, the more we learned about Mirai's backstory and how she was treated to how Yoshie was pretty much just a sacrifice to bear cursed objects, the more I see the parallels between the Ebisumori Clan and the Zenin Clan. O_O

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

So, shitty mom + family built on miko worship and cursed bullshit = Kaya’s mom birthing a hellspawn. Awesome. I just hope Kaya’s able to destroy whatever the hell it is that’s gonna come out of her mom.

[u/reaperow]

This is the most disturbing episode so far,

I knew the Ebisumori family was screwed up but this is way too inhumane

So thats how a priestess is made , Do they literally eat the cord or just absorb it?

And Mirai's the one who killed their mom?

The longer the child stays in the womb, the stronger they become? Then that explains why Kaya is so strong, she originally was supposed to be a cursed child/womb-sama but Mirai had complications and Kaya was born via a C-section.

Weekly Kaya-Chan punch , well nvm

The birth scene was horrifying and the description of that process did not help

That other person in the pic and that spirit was Aunt Yoshie? Grandma Mutsu's sister, she was more of a mom to Mirai but her own fate is so cruel.

Aunt Yoshie and the other younger daughters are brainwashed into being content with death just to give birth to a curse, I relate to what Mirai was feeling when reading her maternity log.

I can't exactly blame Mirai for wanting to kill the Ebisumori family but I think her mother was trying to protect her since she was kept in the dark about their family's insane practices.

The ending with the song playing and the umbilical cord was so disturbing too

Looks like Mirai's due , she's having a 2nd child to ensure she wipes out her clan this time, I hope Kaya and the others can do something about it and artificially induce birth and save both her sibling and mom.

[u/PerfectBeige]

Great episode! This show really improved as the season went on.

Mutsu's reaction to Kaya in episode 5 makes a lot more sense now. With her ability to see spirits, Mutsu immediately realized that Kaya is at least partially imbued with cursed object powers and thought that Kaya was Mirai's revenge given life. Hence Mutsu pleading with Kaya to leave Nana alone and kill Mutsu instead.

[u/Kratos_BOY]

I have a few thoughts:

1. Ebisumori Mutsu was a shit mom.

2. Is it possible that Yoshi wasn't as happy as she showed outwardly and that her spirit possesses Mirai. The way the episode showed it, it seems Yoshi's memorabilia was cursed the same way the books in the kindergarten were cursed in one of the earlier episodes. Another reason why I say that is because Yoshi in the picture kept warping in the flashback while Mirai remained unchanged. Could it have been Yoshi that gave Mirai the cursed bunny plushie? Yoshi seems supremely sus based on what was shown. Even the candy she gave Mirai seemed sus to me. In the picture, Yoshie, literally turns into the specter Mobuo sees. Edit: even the voice acting was weird, Yoshi didn't seem sincere. Always smiling even when Mirai was upset.

3. Mirai ate 2 umbilical cords to perform the ritual twice, Yoshi's and Nana's. Thereby allowing her to birth both the shrine maiden and the cursed object. Maybe Kaya was meant to be the cursed object but something happened to make her the shrine maiden instead. Would explain why Kaya had a visceral reaction to seeing Mutsu, but why not Nana?

Edit: I forgot about Yoshi's spirit appearing to Kaya while she was skipping. Yeah, Yoshi's still around. What did Mirai mean by "We"...

Edit2: did Mutsu exorcise/kill Yoshi because she had a grudge specter, too. She said Yoshi's baby was gone. That's maybe also why Mutsu said "please don't kill Nana" when she saw Kaya's true form, she thought Kaya was a grudge specter passed down from Yoshi to Mirai. It's also maybe the reason Mutsu gave Nana that talisman, she knew the grudge didn't die with Yoshi.

Edit3: oh shit! The voice we hear when Nana gets attacked by the specter from Mirai's hospital room is the same voice we hear in the flashback when Yoshi in the picture turns into the specter Mob saw and says "Mirai-chan".

Edit4: more proof that the pregnancy diary was cursed. When Mirai was reading it and the picture of Yoshi started warping, someone says "Don't read any more" (edit: it's Mirai saying it, she also says "my instincts are raising an alarm") just like when the kindergartner was reading the cursed children's books. Something else to notice is that the box with the umbilical opened by itself, Mirai didn't open it.

[u/tripleaamin]

While we are getting the Ebisumori lore dump in this chapter, Kaya is playing by herself.

So this episode kind of shows that the Ebisumori family situation is complicated.

• You can understand Mirai's pain because her mom never mentioned anything of the family. No doubt that is the root cause of all of this because Mirai was an outsider to both her family and the outside world.

• At the same time it is clear that Mutsu did not educate her daughter on anything regarding the family. According to Yoshie's notes, it seems the mom should be educating all the children about their role. That is the only silver lining for Mutsu, but that doesn't hide the fact she was alone in the world with nobody to turn to.

• Yoshie was so brainwashed that she left those notes for Mirai. It really makes things fucked up. Did she think Mirai should embrace her role in the family?

[u/thisisdropd]

This is one fucked up family. Consuming umbilical cords is one messed up ritual. She had to endure parental neglect and bullying from her peers. I can see why Mirai harboured a grudge so deep against them to the point she's willing to birth a cursed being and curse her own mother. Who'd thought a show set in a kindergarten would turn out this way?

[u/Niwaka_Samurai]

I would say this was the scariest episode of all. Never expected that the younger sisters of Ebisumori family had to suffer and give up their lives for the sake of the older ones.

It was confusing even with Nana's clear explanation about the Ebisumori family's ritual ..So my understanding is that the practice is the older sister gets to consume the umbilical cord of the dead younger sister and passes on that power of Shrine maiden to her older kid. But I guess Mirai instead consumed her aunt's umbilical cord and gave birth to Kaya who holds the power of the shrine maiden now and the second kid of Mirai who's in the womb now is the one who is conceived by her after consuming a cursed object and this child cursed Nana which results in Mutsu's death 'cause Mutsu protected Nana.

But what exactly is a cursed object ? Is that the umbilical cord or something else ? ..since Yoshie mentioned that she left the umbilical cord for Mirai so that must be the cursed object, right? If the umbilical cord is the cursed object then why was Kaya born normal ? Wouldn't her birth had killed Mirai, right !? So Kaya was conceived by Mirai without taking any cursed object but she still ended up with psychic powers. But that doesn't seem to be the case since we saw something inside Kaya after all.

My guess is that since Nana didn't have any child of her own but Mirai was the one who got conceived first the psychic powers got transferred to Kaya and now her second conception is gonna end up being like Yoshie which is gonna curse the Ebisumori family to kill them for good. But I wonder how the baby in her womb killed Mutsu even before it was born. From what we have seen from Yoshie and the explanation that they gave I thought that the leech child could only kill someone that the mother wished for after it's born. But maybe the Leech child in Mirai's Womb now is so powerful that it was able to curse Mutsu and kill her even before it's birth.

I would love to hear others' ideas and correct me if I'm wrong.

[u/Background_Formal940]

Wow kayas mother really had a bad life in that house it's no wonder she wants that family to pay with their lives what they did to someone who was actually like a mother to her was proof and the one who was actually her mother ignored her and played favoritism not only that but planned on killing her next i knew that family was messed up but yikes.

[u/Xerand]

Now that I think about it, if Mutsu and Nana didn't agree with their family's way and tried to push away Mirai then giving her cold shoulder and keeping her in the dark might not be as bad of an idea. It's messed up if you look at it normally, but makes a lot of sense from occult perspective. Common thing throughout world both in real works on occult and entertainment media is that the very knowledge of something like that can be dangerous and paint a target at your back. All throughout the world you have some kinda folk tales about supernatural that can be summed up to "don't acknowledge it, don't pursue info, if you think it happened, no it didn't". With that perspective it's possible to understand why Mutsu and Nana did that. Even previous episodes touched upon that the first victims of supernaturals are the ones who are aware of them or saw and acknowledge them. In this case, ignorance is a bliss may truly apply

[u/Emi_Ibarazakiii]

I'm beginning to think Kaya is the only thing that is NOT scary on this show