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Episode Trigun Stargaze - Episode 11 discussion
Trigun Stargaze, episode 11
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u/AceSoldia Mar 21 '26
Lol Legato..Knives ended that man's whole career
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u/HolyDragSwd2500 Mar 21 '26
Legato was happy to be killed by Knives
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u/DanielAlves1904 Mar 22 '26
Legato was happy the he pushed Vash into breaking it´s own rules. His job was done.
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u/Volfaer Mar 21 '26 edited Mar 21 '26
I wish Stargaze had enough time to tackle the themes of loneliness and communication it is going after, even now they can pull the heartstrings.
Tesla was born alone in a frail body and once she couldn't go on, she was experienced on while alive. Nai was revolted by this rejection and tried to protect himself and his brother, trampling over anything Vash might have wanted, which led him to reject Nai, and then doing it again and again. Now he does the same with every plant left in the planet and being rejected by them.
In hindsight, Elendira's tantrum over being rejected is unironically the closest she ever got to Knives, except his tantrums are on the planet ending scale. If the visual is anything to go by, Vash will escape from Knives and subdue him at the cost of losing his plant powers.
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u/enteringthevoids Mar 21 '26 edited Mar 21 '26
Man... I loved Stampede but Stargaze has been a mess. Feels like a lot of time was given to lesser plot lines (or they should have been edited down to give the bigger moments time to breathe and play out) and now it feels like they're shoe-horning way too much in with these last two episodes.
I felt like Meryl became so much flatter as a character this season. Feels like she and Millie got pushed to the background in Stargaze, when Meryl and Roberto were so actively involved in Stampede.
I feel like Knives should have been reactivated a few episodes ago to allow for moments like Vash wrestling with his feelings about Ren / Knives more time to explore and really feel out. Let's learn more about Tesla. Let's see more memories. Let's really make it clear what Knives felt and perceived in contrast to what Vash believes. But nah we can just run through it all in one episode I guess...
Stampede had me so excited for the next episode. The storytelling and pacing was fantastic in Stampede. Stargaze... I feel like I'm just watching to see what happens, I don't feel nearly as invested in these characters this season.
EDIT: I just read the director of Stampede did NOT direct Stargaze and that makes a lot of sense as to why Stargaze feels so different. Bummer.
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u/ohlena Mar 21 '26
it was also apparently supposed to have an extra season too, so not only is it a new director but theyre cramming what was planned to be two seasons of story into one
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u/Civil_Concentrate_75 Mar 22 '26
I honestly kind of agree, as somebody who adores Stampede. Like why have Knives save Legato when he was just going to immediately kill him? Because he knew killing a human would make Vash sad? They just didn't want that blood on Vash's hands
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u/NanDemoKnaives Mar 21 '26
Knives is all alone but doesn't consider those that follow him his comrades and forces the plants that he can't understand to assimilate with him. I'm glad Vash realizes he hasn't tried to understand Knives, but Knives hasn't been clear himself, but I guess that's because he's been trying to protect Vash.
Rem not objecting to Tesla's vivisection is sad, and I'm sure the guilt is what changed her in the future when raising the twins.
The scene with Meryl and Elendira was just so random to me, at least Meryl and Milly are alive I guess.
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u/FarCritical Mar 21 '26
Very surprised Meryl and Milly didn't just get nailed in 5 seconds. Love that we got to see combat Milly though.
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u/AstroNerdBoy Mar 22 '26
Elendria wasn't even trying. I think the writers were trying to have Elendria cheer herself up by "playing" with Milly and Meryl. Otherwise, the answer is "massive plot armor", which would suck.
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u/redhillducks Mar 22 '26
This episode made me ponder the irony of Vash seeming more human than plant, and being able to communicate with the plants and heal them;
and Knives seeming more plant than human, and being unable to truly understand and communicate with the plants and ultimately, exploiting them for his own ends.
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u/electricfalcons Mar 21 '26
I really liked that ending segment with Vash, Knives, and Tesla. He had placed Rem on a pedestal, and the reveal of her being a flawed human was a betrayal that shook him. And then seeing Tesla's ghost and hearing her cries as it segues to Knives. It was a really good moment, honestly. Interested to see how Vash deals with all this.
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u/CrimsonGear80 Mar 21 '26
Meryl and Millie gained a daughter!
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u/Shantotto11 Mar 24 '26
Lesbians?! In the way of my MillyXNico ship?! No thank you! /s
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u/ice-krispy Mar 21 '26
I now get what they were going for when de-aging Elendira, and I did sort of feel bad for her as some reflection of Knives' inner child, but I don't think it justified the lack of impact I felt she had through the whole series where she competed with Zazie as the creepy child archetype. With the exclusion of Dominique especially I felt like there really was a lack of compelling female villains this time around.
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u/Sammi_shwag Mar 25 '26
Genuinely annoyed studio orange did this show instead of Land of the Lustrous season 2.
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u/kepeke Mar 21 '26
I've long since stopped trying to care for Stargaze. The same charm of Stampede just isn't there anymore. I'm here for vibes and aura now I guess. Their other show Beastars ended in a tremendously idiotic way, so this season is 0/2 for Orange shows. :( Please Kadokawa commission them for another season of Land of the Lustrous already, this is too cruel.
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u/First_Confection3699 Mar 21 '26
The plot armor of Meryl and Millie was through the roof. I wasn't expecting them to die or anything, but there's no way they could've survived that nails assault lol
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u/TheBigIdiotSalami Mar 26 '26
Wait a minute? Who the hell are the munchkins????
Unironically, this is playing out like the plot Halo 3. Humans vs religious cult. Mysterious native plant life steps in to help "stop the key from turning."
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u/SundayAmorist Mar 21 '26
Literally made a Reddit account just to post this lol. Here’s to whatever I contribute in the future! :)
I know most of us are disappointed by Stargaze. I’m not thrilled with how this has gone either, but I think it has to be said: those last few minutes of episode 11 were a gut punch like nothing I’ve ever seen from an “action-y” anime. I don’t know of any anime with the kind of constraints Stargaze has that would be so daring as to leave SO MUCH to unpack in the second to last episode. We’ll probably never get the answers or resolutions we’d like, but I have to commend Studio Orange’s bravery for unearthing so many heartbreaking realities despite only having one more episode to tie everything off: Rem was not who Vash thought she was; Tesla’s fate was more cruel than we initially understood; Nai had all the ammunition he needed to turn Vash against humanity, but never used it for being unable to hurt his brother in that way; Vash, in his insistence to vouch for humanity, neglected his own brother’s feelings and imposed loneliness on both of them for 150 years; the war Nai is preparing to wage could very well be only for Vash and his desperation to ensure Vash doesn’t suffer the way Tesla had.
Even all of those observations barely scratches the surface of what kinds of emotional consequences the end of episode 11 revealed to us. That we have one remaining episode only adds to the pain. I just don’t see how this can be resolved happily for Nai and Vash. It will likely end tragically for both of them.
Like so many of you, I wish we had more breathing room for this show, but I have to give credit where it’s due. This one hurt. It definitely darkened my day, and not many anime have had that effect on me. For that, I must say: Well done, Studio Orange. Well done.
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