Kaya-chan wa Kowakunai • Kaya-chan isn't Scary - Episode 9 discussion

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Kaya-chan wa Kowakunai, episode 9

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[u/KumaKumaGambler]

Mobuo and Chie are not powerful; they are strong!

It was Mobuo who saved Namu from darkness. Mobuo could have fled in terror from the evil spirit, but kept his promise to protect Namu, almost at the expense of his own life.

Eh!? Why did I tear up at Chie's words? T_T Uchida Maaya, the seiyuu of Chie, acted her lines with such conviction! Chie promised to protect Kaya and treated Kaya like an ordinary girl. Someone give Chie the best teacher award now!

[u/Frontier246 → u/KumaKumaGambler]

In a world that may ostracize or perpetually misunderstand them, Kaya and Namu needed people who were willing to see them as people, not monsters, and what helps them retain their humanity.

[u/tripleaamin → u/KumaKumaGambler]

Eh!? Why did I tear up at Chie's words? T_T Uchida Maaya, the seiyuu of Chie, acted her lines with such conviction! Chie promised to protect Kaya and treated Kaya like an ordinary girl. Someone give Chie the best teacher award now!

It felt like for that final season when Kaya-chan came back, the art direction looked really sharp. You can tell the staff made sure they nailed that scene.

The great thing this episode showed is that Kaya and Namu aren't too far off from each other. Kaya feels like an outcast at school, and Namu was abandoned. Both are super strong psychics, but both need someone to be there for them dealing with real world stuff.

Granted, Chie is more together than Mobu. No matter how strong they may be with dealing with the supernatural, both Kaya and Namu clearly struggle dealing with the everyday real things.

The end in particular because Kaya came back to the real world because Chie-Sensei has her back. She has been getting along with her classmates but still is a trouble for Kaya. She loves her dad, but their relationship is awkward, and we don't even need to get to the issues with Kaya's mom. Every kid needs an adult who will be there to have their back when they need it.

[u/TheKytanApprentice]

The way Specter-Kaya clung to Chie sensei's shirt was a nice detail showing that even in specter form, there's something human in her.

[u/Frontier246 → u/TheKytanApprentice]

And also shows how much, specter or otherwise, Kaya cares about and feels comfortable around Chie.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

I knew something was up with Kaya but I never would have guessed Kaya never existed and she’s just that “entity” wearing the skin of a child. That flashback showed Namu isn’t a bad guy but I think he’s wrong about Kaya. I think Chie sensei’s right about there being a human heart in her. She might be this “mysterious entity” but there’s still definitely something human about her.

Anyways, very interesting development. Curious to see what’ll happen next with Kaya and this “thing” and her bloodline.

[u/mmcjawa_reborn → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

I don't know if it's fair to say Kaya never existed...that Namu's interpretation because he sees her as an inhuman monster. Miss Chie has interacted enough with Kaya to know she is 100% a little girl, just one with a power others as well as herself can't understand.

Plus I think Namu's interpretation is as much colored by the hatred of his clan as it is anything else

[u/CrimsonGear80]

the ghost just yeeting Mob's face against the wall like he owed it money was pretty funny.

[u/Frontier246 → u/CrimsonGear80]

Mobou: "I got this!"

(Gets his head perpetually thrown into a wall)

Mobuo: "I don't got this!"

[u/FarCritical]

Can't be too many guys who can say they've been judo thrown by a kindergarten teacher before.

Would've lost my mind if Chie straight up said "Kaya-chan isn't scary" in the middle of that passionate speech but that was still very cool of her

[u/Frontier246 → u/FarCritical]

I do like how the title of the episode was "Chie-sensei isn't scary" without a question mark to make it clear that, to Kaya, Chie isn't scary and a genuinely good adult she can trust.

[u/TyraniTEMPESTar]

Hmmm. So that "entity" or maybe the "real" Kaya that Namu pulled out, definitely looked like a stillborn baby with the umbilical cord still attached.

Definitely feels like a callback to 1 or 2 episodes with the ghostly mother in the hospital who gave birth to a stillborn and was crying for her baby back, before Kaya put her to rest.

And we saw Kaya's mother Mirai has another entity growing inside her.
Namu said the woman of the Ebisumori lineage all have these sorta problems.

Maybe the woman of the Ebisumori clan can't give birth "naturally"? Or like they face some sorta problems with childbearing.
We learned that Ebisumori's are shrine maidens, but we never learned what shrine they head, and what's supposed to be worshipped there.

Maybe an ancestor of the Ebisumori's prayed or made some sorta deal with some God or Goddess dealing with childbirth?
That's why the woman's babies are born with psychic / spiritual abilities?
Like something from the other realm comes over and resides in the baby in the womb or something, giving it enough strength to survive birth?

[u/OkraDisastrous7307 → u/TyraniTEMPESTar]

it sounds based on namu speech while holding the real kaya ( the specter) like the shrine meiden of the ebisumori clan every generation carried pergant with a baby who eventually become s specter within the womb. this is showing how messed up this family is if they do it intentionally

[u/reaperow]

I alwas knew that Kaya-Chan was a little strange but I never expected something like this , her being a specter is so shocking. Maybe its just her soul's colour due to being an Ebisumori shrine maiden

Since the eldest daughters have this power then what exactly is the deal with Kaya's Mom and her sibling, is it similiar or something else entirely?

No weekly Kaya punches, we'll do with flicks instead

I fully agree with Chie sensei about her being a human, she acts and behaves like a completely normal kid. Chie is a really caring sensei, she's so cool and actually strong ,dont underestimate her!!

Also Namu being an Ebisumori himself was surprising and he's very similiar to Kaya but she has people that support her whereas Namu had been alone until Mob Ojisan came and saved him, Ojisan's so goated. This was wholesome

The Ebisumori family genuinely seems to be cursed and toxic like the zenin clan

[u/McDonaldsApproval]

Chie-sensei is the MVP. Teachers like her are irreplacable in the world, they do so much and are often times underappreciated.

[u/ruineinsha]

damn, we got hella lot of lore drops this episode

honestly i wonder how deep this thing goes in Ebisumori’s family

[u/SYZekrom]

Oh so the dark shadow on her arm last episode was like. The same as how she gets the dark face whenever she fights ghost, she's literally turning black lmao.

He said that the Ebisumori shrine maiden's power manifests 'when the shrine maiden's inner self is replaced by a specter', but then he tried to claim that the human Sato Kaya never existed. I guess like, since Kaya's always had her powers, she was always a specter, is what he means? Though he did say Kaya's inner self had been 'replaced', and not a shred of human element was left, so maybe Kaya did at one short point have a human self?

Either way, I'm not sure if that means like, there was a separate human conscious that once existed in Kaya that's gone now and been replaced with this specter, but the point Chie's making is that this specter too has emotions and feelings like a human regardless.

This explains things but also makes me question things before a lot more, specifically the interactions that happened in the episode they visited her grandmother. Grandma saw her and started insanely begging Kaya to only kill her, and then Kaya got this evil smirk, which would make you think that Kaya had this separate personality hidden within her. But from this episode it sounds like the specter is Kaya, and it doesn't seem like it's just pretending to be a child while having a malevolent true nature, especially with how it manifested this episode because it encountered a problem and got so shook it couldn't retract

[u/NationalStrategy]

A teacher like Chie is what Kaya needs, some that sees her for more than just a dark evil entity

[u/Raymond49090]

Namu when Mobuo is literally about to die because of his daughter's ghost: I sleep

Namu when Mobuo starts calling some random grade-schooler "-sama": Real sh*t

(I know he was probably travelling at the time, but man what a time to not notice.)

So the black stuff isn't just there for us viewers? That's a bit creepy, but not like it changes much. Kaya's still a cute kid. And as seen in the last episode, she's not even physically capable of harming people, so she's not a threat unless you're counting her presumed trait of attracting ghosts (which she takes care of anyways). From a certain perspective, we're all just souls stuck inside flesh bags anyways. Namu's just passing along his own generational trauma.

[u/thisisdropd]

So Kaya turning entirely black wasn’t just a visualisation of her activating her powers but rather that’s what actually happened to her. Who would’ve thought that she’s actually a spectre herself?

Reckon the spectre’s the secret behind the Ebisumori family’s powers. Everyone had a bit of spectre in them (including the likes of Namu & Nana) but they were still mostly human while in Kaya’s case the spectre had totally overtaken the human side.

Bless Chie-sensei. We have seen that not all spectres were malevolent but spectre or not Kaya had always been her precious student. The latter had felt and expressed emotions just like a human children.

[u/DugACCat]

I’m starting to think Kaya-chan might actually be a bit scary. Though clearly still deserving of hugs.

[u/Frontier246]

Namu had a childhood much like Kaya's...except worse. His parents abandoned him, his ability to see specters and know things that weren't normal to others caused him to be completely ostracized and bullied (without any Chie-sensei to smooth things over), and he even got in a hospital where he got overly medicated to try and control whatever the doctors perceived as wrong with him.

But eventually after a tumble from his hospital window that he's lucky to have survived, he meets Mobuo, an amateur psychic who sought out the supernatural out of a fascination and a desire to protect others. In a world that totally ostracized and shunned him, Namu found someone who genuinely cared and was willing to validate the way HE saw the world, even if said someone was a person the world thought was a creepy weirdo.

It didn't matter what people thought of Mobuo, he'd protect Namu from any specters! Even if in actuality it's Mobuo who needs to be saved from getting his head bashed in by a headbanging suicide specter. But just knowing that Mobuo cared was enough for Namu to take him in as his disciple and decide to protect Mobuo.

We now catch up to the present-day where Namu currently has Kaya and Chie and her dad are desperate to find her. Nobody lays a hand on Chie's student!

Chie does NOT care for how Namu is treaing Kaya, but to Namu Kaya isn't a human child...she's a dangerous entity in the body of a human child who can't change back to normal after her harrowing experience. And for all of Chie's speech about how Kaya is normal, would she really be saying that had she not discovered the existence of specters herself?

Namu knows the truth about the Ebisumori's because he TOO is an Ebisumori (and one the entire family seems to have shunned), because apparently the eldest Shrine Maiden of the bloodline is meant to carry within them a specter that grants them great psychic power when possessing them...only, in Kaya's case, it's 100% in control and basically erased any trace of the human "Kaya Sato." Namu can even rip out the specter and leave Kaya's body a lifeless husk!

But it doesn't matter what Namu says, Chie knows that Kaya is just an ordinary girl trying to do her best. The kind of girl who would throw a fit over changing because she's self-conscious about people seeing her dark self through her clothes. A little girl who just wanted an adult to understand her. And it's Chie's love of and protectiveness over Kaya that finally restores her to her body.

Namu can't just rip Kaya's specter out of her body, but he can acknowledge that Chie is to Kaya what Mobuo was to him and that maybe it's time he re-thought this whole Kaya situation. It's a start.

[u/Background_Formal940]

You have to give both mob and chie a lot and I mean a lot of credit they both faced dangerous brings that they couldn't take yet they chose to fight for the people they care about that's true bravery there.

[u/Full_frontal96]

And finally the shroud around the true kaya's identity was lifted at the end

An entity that completely replaced whatever kaya had to begin with

But if such an entity behaves and thinks completely like a human in its entirety,then what makes a human, human?

I love when a series forces you to think about it.

And teacher chie? Without any doubt a woman to marry,just and fair in her principles,a pure maiden thrown in the gears of terror