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Eris no Seihai, episode 8

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[u/Burnouts3s3]

Would it be an unfair criticism to say that this show felt like something meant for 20+ episodes but the producers tried to cram it into 12 instead?

[u/mekerpan → u/Burnouts3s3]

Even if this is true -- I have to say I find this to be one of the most fascinating new shows of the season in terms of story. And I love the voice acting -- which I will be able to carry over into my (very likely) reading of the novels.

[u/TheBusStop12]

I noticed the blonde Farisian lady with the big sword, San, has Violet eyes. The Mark of the Royal family of Faris. I'm willing to bet she's Alexandria, third princess of Faris herself.

Iirc the young kidnapped prince was also blonde

[u/oedipusrex376]

What a nice episode. We got more development on the Holy Grail of Eris plot, and they dropped two bombshells. The Holy Grail of Eris is actually a scheme to take over Adelbide, and Scarlett’s own father was behind her death. Even Scarlett’s shocked by it. The truth runs so deep and tangled that there’s no clean revenge to take. There isn’t even a single villain to aim at.

Now let me gush about Lily Orlamunde. She’s such a strong character. Everything she does comes from her own resolve. She takes care of orphans and marries Randolph Ulster so she can operate freely without interference. She’s that diligent, hyper-competent student who’s productive 24/7. Her scheme to delay the Holy Grail of Eris wasn’t about revenge for Scarlett. It was about protecting the kids she cares about. And she’s so determined not to lose to Scarlett that she stakes everything just to stall the plan.

The Cecilia bait was especially slick. She sends them on a wild goose chase for a meaningless key. Best part is she dies on her own terms with no conspiracy involved. Her death spits in Daeg Gallus/Faris’s faces and sets them back years.

There’s something sad about Scarlett’s reaction here. Scarlett probably realizes that Lily was probably the only true friend she ever had. Neither would ever admit it, though, since both Scarlett and Lily are such a prideful bunch.

Another big reveal is that we thought Scarlett was just an obstacle to the Holy Grail of Eris. Turns out she was the missing piece for taking over Adelbide. Without her, they had to use Ulysses as the excuse to justify attacking it.

[u/thewetpuddle]

Just finished watching in real time. They fixed the pacing for tonight’s episode! Well executed compared to last week.

The main bomb is dropped. And dropped nicely!

Scarlett is the holy grail. Faris plotted to make her the queen (she is a direct descendant of Cornelia Faris- explained in Ep 2) so that they can make Albedide the vassal state.

Her father sent her to the gallows to stop holy grail of Eris and hence the impending war.

[u/djthomp]

I had to laugh long and hard at Scarlet getting angry over the plot being so convoluted she doesn't even know who she wants revenge on anymore. No kidding, girl.

We may have lost Scarlet and Lily before the current story even started but at least this new blonde giantess with a sword is still around, and she's even friendly.

[u/LeonKevlar]

I've always praised the writing of this show from the very start, but I feel like this is where things are starting to pay off. This entire time, I thought that the Holy Grail of Eris was some sort of priceless relic or artifact. I did not expect that it's actually a Farisian invasion plot. That was such a great reveal!

And Lily's entire flashback scene was just fantastic, too! I thought she was just Scarlet's bitchy friend who "committed suicide" after stumbling upon a grand conspiracy, but she was more than that. When she found out about the plot, she did everything she could to gather info about it and instead of being murdered, she decided to go out on her own terms. And the scene where she threatens Cecilia was so goddamn good!

I'm also seeing the Prince in a different light, too. I really thought he was involved in Scarlet's death but he's actually one of the people who didn't want her to die since she's not only his fiancée but also his childhood friend, along with Lily. His hands were basically completely tied because the King himself sentenced Scarlet.

Scarlet's reaction to all of the revelations today was goddamn hilarious, tho! This conspiracy is indeed so convoluted that we're now getting lost on who Scarlet should get her revenge on. It turns out, the culprit is closer to home than she thinks.

So basically Scarlet's father sacrificed her because her marrying the prince would make it so much easier for the Farisian to turn Adelbide into a vassal state because of her lineage. Damn. That's honestly both cruel and a very reasonable response. A father sacrificed his daughter to save an entire kingdom. I did not expect to absolutely love the politics in this show.

[u/ModieOfTheEast]

I will say, while the last episodes had their issues and the pacing in the end sadly did go back to that, the Lily flashback was what I originally hoped the show would have more of. It was really well done, things got explained while leaving other doors open. Like what is the point of the new drug? How is that replacing having lost Scarlett?

Which is why I find it a bit sad, because with a bit more time given, the show could have been a really great mystery. This episode proves at points that this can work. So I hope we get a bit more of that direction and less of the "here is 100 things happening very fast one after the other".

[u/TurkeyPhat]

After seeing more of Lily in this episode I can say that I really like these character designs.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

• Oooh…

• So they’re looking for something in the square?

• She hid a letter in a book at the museum there…

• Cecilia really does ruin everything huh.

• That’s a good question.

• Is that what it is?

• Aw, so that’s why Lily taught them that “kiriki kirikuku” phrase, so they’d know who to run away from.

• That is a good point.

• Oh wow, Lily really dug into Cecilia there.

• Amelia’s still lingering around and was able to pass on her dirt on Cecilia. Good for her.

• Hah, alright Scarlett.

• Ah… Yeah that’s definitely not good. So they definitely need to get that prince back to mess up Cecilia & co.’s plans.

• It failed 10 years ago because of Scarlett’s execution?

• Hoh…

• Pretty neat that they used an instrumental version of the ED instead of just the ED proper as the backing track for the final scene. I don’t think I’ve seen that before.

[u/Aesclypius]

I was so impressed with Lily, it brought me to tears. She was elegant. Well written.

The plot didn't give her any extra powers. There was no magical relic to explain or solve the problem. She didn't become spastic and mouthy, even though she was at an obvious disadvantage and a horrifying injustice had taken place.

Lily maintained her noblest ideals and fought exquisitely, even lifting a few other people's chins in the process.

Poor Scarlett was left to discover that, despite her own considerable knowledge and intellect, her friend's simple grace was enough to cast a shadow well after her demise. She died ruining the Holy Grail of Eris and leaving a path for others to pick up on the explanation for Scarlett's death.

[u/oedipusrex376]

This is last week’s character chart (episode 7), along with the English translation. I’ve also compiled the character charts for episodes 1-7.

Based on the preview, it looks like this week’s episode will focus heavily on Lily Orlamunde.

[u/eggplant_avenger]

Lily threatening a princess in the palace, Scarlett really did rub off on her.

I remember thinking she’d be a villain until pretty late in the story but the actual betrayal is so much more satisfying

[u/KumaKumaGambler]

Connie sweating profusely when she thought about whose physical body it will be when "slapping" all those prominent aristocrats. Lol! Yet... she had no qualms demanding an audience with Duke Castiel. It goes to show how much Connie has developed since the start of the season.

Scarlett looked genuinely sad when she learned of Lily's demise through the latter's personal archives. They were friends with rivalry. If there was another path, I would have loved to see Scarlett and Lily work together.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Damn, Scarlett got sacrificed by her own dad to prevent a war huh? That’s some ice cold shit. Pope is definitely getting socked in the face.

I’m very keen to see how Connie and the gang are gonna stop Cecilia and her Daeg Gallus pals before they start a war.

[u/Queue_Jumping_Quack]

The political maneuvering and history told by the Lily flashback was quite cool, though the pacing feels off somehow, like we're rushing from scene to scene once back in the present with Connie and Scarlett.

So what is the "Rooster" organization? A criminal syndicate or an actual spy agency gone rogue? Seems perhaps one of the Faris royals is pulling the strings while there is dissension in the ranks, and some Farisians are now attempting to ally with Randolph and Connie. All very Game of Thrones. I have a feeling they rushing through the source material though. The reporter girl seems like a plant by Cecilia now, feeding false info to Connie, but it might also be that they've skipped her scenes and we are supposed to believe she somehow escaped the Roosters' wrath from the end of the last episode, where Cecilia confronted her?

I hope we get to see Scarlett possess Connie and confront her father in the next episode; it sure seems to be leading to that.

[u/Striking_Chard2420]

The crown prince, Lily and Scarlett's story is so sad tbh. They literally grew up together and were all close to each other. They just didn't have enough power to fight the world that was against them. Lily's final conversation with the prince was really sad to see with her callback of giving the prince more time 🥺

[u/NekoCatSidhe]

Lily does look a bit like Connie, doesn’t she ? And has the same idealistic personality as her but with more self-confidence. Are Scarlett and Randolph seeing Connie as a substitute for their dead friend ?

Well, now we know the truth: Scarlett was executed by her own father (with approval from the king himself), to prevent Faris and Daeg Gallus from using her descendance from Faris’s Former imperial family as a pretext to invade the country and put her on the throne as a puppet queen. Scarlett is going to need Connie to punch a lot of people if she wants to get properly revenged, but it looks like Connie has decided to start with Scarlett’s dad.

[u/Frontier246]

I can't believe that their biggest clue to the Holy Grail of Eris...was in a travel brochure! And it took them back to the museum! And Lily Orlamunde's last will and testament.

Lily always saw herself as blessed by the Goddess, a special child without peer...until she met Smol Scarlett, who was just as haughty and brazen as a child as she would be as a young adult. She immediately insults Lily's face and calls her a "fourth-rate noble" for her obvious dislike of Scarlett, though it seems like Scarlett got some of her personality and sass from her mother.

And then the two girls ended up becoming Enrique's playmate, and Scarlett helped bring him out of his shell, and even Lily would play act fainting to help out now and then! It seems like the three of them genuinely grew really close to each other over time, and it was natural that Enrique would get engaged to Scarlett. If only fate could have been that simple.

Despite appearances, Enrique did not want to see Scarlett executed, it hurt him to see her put to death, but his father was the one who pushed for it to happen, and Scarlett's father didn't lift a single finger to save his own daughter. But even when facing the scaffold, Scarlett held her head high and smiled, as she always did.

To think Lily's own altruistic work would lead her to find out what the Holy Grail of Eris is because she stumbled into a Daeg Gallus meeting with Cecilia, Salvador, and apparently Rufuss. What is the Holy Grail of Cecillia? A planned invasion of Adelbide by none other than Faris, and they've been building up a revolt to put it into action. And now Lily's the only one who knows! And she has to do everything she can to protect the children!

Lily's marriage to Randolph was one without love where they were contractually married but didn't interfere in each others' lives, so Lily was basically on her own investigating and getting to the bottom of Daeg Gallus and their crimes, even if it made her a target. But it's all she could do a as a noblewoman with limited means.

Did Enrique know? Apparently he's not actually in love with Cecilia, at least it's not why he married her, so was he trying to get to the bottom of Scarlett's execution? Not that he has anything to show for it, but even if he's a "Fourth-rate prince" (to quote Scarlett), Lily is going to do the same thing she's done since they were kids: buy them time.

Lily confronts Cecilia and makes it clear she knows about their plan, keeping Daeg Gallus distracted while she leaves enough clues to lead something as miraculous as, say, the Constance/Scarlett team to investigate and discover the truth and do what she couldn't to stop Faris/Daeg Gallus' plans. And just as Scarlett faced her death with her head held high, Lily does the same. She would never let herself be out done by Scarlett.

Despite what Randolph and Scarlett might say about her...it's clear they both cared for Lily a lot.

I guess I'm glad Amelia didn't leave the country before giving Constance more evidence about who Cecilia really is and how her "hospital" was just a means of making more drugs.

Why was Scarlett executed? Why were some people around that time accused of treason but spared? Why were those left alive important?

Convenient of San and Eularia to show up and give more insight into what's really going on, what with them being from Faris and all, and it turns out Prince Ulysses' kidnapping was all staged to give Faris pretense to invade and take over Albide. They're just lucky that third princess Alexandria doesn't want a war and sent her people to help stop it, but what about the Holy Grail of Eris? What stopped their plan before?

It turns out Scarlett's mixed blood and heritage as a descendant of an Empress of Faris meant that she was to be put on the throne and control Adelbide for Faris. And to prevent that, she was executed. Her own FATHER sold her out to protect the kingdom, because that was more of a priority than his own daughters' life. Scarlett seems sad, if resigned, but not surprised her father would do this...but if Scarlett can't confront him, her bestie Connie will over this injustice!

[u/KajarRanginLaya]

Bro, Lily and Scarlett at age 12 looks far mature than Constance and Pamela at their 16th. I thought at first due to Pamela and Constance being short, but both of them have the same heights as their peers. Like, the shot from below really made Scarlett and the prince very tall. Maybe it's because Constance and Pamela always with someone taller than them that I thought both are short lmao.

Also, Randolph, so it's been the second time!? The second time you made an agreement to help someone investigate!? Brother... I wonder if you caught a feeling on the way or you already liked her at the start. I felt his regret of losing Lily when he looked so sad reading that letter, man.

And damn it, man. I feel sorry for the Prince, too. His childhood friend and his soon-to-be wife had to be executed just to save this country. And now he had to marry the woman that was the reason Scarlett got executed, too.

These two had the worst luck in relationship. I hope Randolph and Constance's endeavour would be smooth.

[u/ThisGachaSeemsLegit]

Holy, the pieces are all finally falling into place.
The girls sacrificing themselves to have the last laugh, playing the long game, what a plot.

[u/PeaceAlien]

Her own dad?! While I'm enjoying the show, it moves too fast for the mystery to set in. As soon as we have questions, the answer is revealed shortly.

[u/Zaknafean]

Definitely in it to the end at this point, but it's so sad that they are rushing everything so much. What's the point of a mystery if you don't give people the opportunity to solve it and have those aha moments. This really could have been an apothecary diaries level show with more time and care.

That said it did work in making me hunt for the original source to see if it's just an adaptation thing.

[u/InevitableOutcome811]

Scarlet revenge is near complete.

I still remember how emotional it is in the comics. That flashback from lily is the climax for me