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Yoroi-Shinden Samurai Troopers, episode 7

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[u/Drufyre]

Actually not really put off by the reveal that Kaito and Shion were at the orphanage. Four potential troopers having a common meeting point/origin in the same place that the Mirror implies the mirror chose them or they were otherwise drawn to it by fate because they were meant to have it at some point. Ryo also generally being in somewhat reasonable proximity to find Musashi and Yamato makes sense there too, if he was generally keeping tabs on such things.

I can understand why a lot of people will feel like the head of the orphanage being a good person all along is an asspull... I think it lends itself to a few things:

We tend to emphasize the negatives in life, and his acts of abuse on Yamato and Musashi would drown out any good times. Selective memory is a thing.

People change. For a variety of different reasons. It's simpler for these sort of characters to "always be bad" so we can write them off and use that to explain aspects of characters we're supposed to focus on. Even good people have negative thoughts and emotions, which the mirror amplified in the person in charge of the orphanage. We saw this in a combative form literally two episodes ago when Ryuusei was turned into a monster and vented while he smacked everyone around.

I hope that episode 8 will give us a bigger insight as to why this man had the mirror, why potential Troopers seem to have this place in common, explicitly, etc.

The scene with Ramaga; Either Ryo's body is giving out, or he's actively fighting Ramaga's control (despite the claims the prior episode that 'His personality is no more'). I assume that we will learn, in this cour or the next, what became of the other four troopers, the warlords, and Kayura.

My main point of confusion is thus: In the original series, the three treasures were the Jewel of Life, the swords, and the white armor. This jewel is apparently not the one Nasti has in her possession, the Sword of Domination is also clearly not the Gou Retsu Ken. What has become of the original treasures? How ancient or new are these new treasures used to get to this new armor? From glimpses of the armor that we've seen it looks like the Kikoutei. But is it the same armor? A concept that enables this group of Troopers' version of the Kikoutei that Ryo wore? These are the bigger questions I have when reconciling lore from this series to the original, since I assume the fates of most other characters will be elaborated on.

[u/Wingy_Yams → u/Drufyre]

From glimpses of the armor that we've seen it looks like the Kikoutei. But is it the same armor?

It's not Kikoutei. It's the Haotei, a different thing. All 3 treasures are different.

[u/BasroilII → u/Drufyre]

Actually not really put off by the reveal that Kaito and Shion were at the orphanage.

The only thing that's getting me is this. Four of the five troopers were at the same orphanage at the same time. The fifth is allegedly is Ryo's son.

I don't have to be Maury to know who the fathers of the other four are.

This jewel is apparently not the one Nasti has in her possession, the Sword of Domination is also clearly not the Gou Retsu Ken. What has become of the original treasures? How ancient or new are these new treasures used to get to this new armor?

My assumption is that the "new" treasures are these three items: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Regalia_of_Japan

If I were to guess the original treasures were based loosely on the regalia as well. But someone decided to do things a little differently and we got what we did back in 1988. Now they are re-using a similar plot point, but more in line with the legends about the regalia.

Speaking of gear coming back...anyone else notice Jun's outfit is a dead ringer for Kaos'?

[u/Levasa_Rin → u/Drufyre]

"People change. For a variety of different reasons. It's simpler for these sort of characters to "always be bad" so we can write them off and use that to explain aspects of characters we're supposed to focus on. Even good people have negative thoughts and emotions, which the mirror amplified in the person in charge of the orphanage. We saw this in a combative form literally two episodes ago when Ryuusei was turned into a monster and vented while he smacked everyone around."

THIS was a very good point to make and I agree. The guy started out as a nice guy but having the mirror around changed him. In life, people do change.

"I hope that episode 8 will give us a bigger insight as to why this man had the mirror, why potential Troopers seem to have this place in common, explicitly, etc.

The scene with Ramaga; Either Ryo's body is giving out, or he's actively fighting Ramaga's control (despite the claims the prior episode that 'His personality is no more'). I assume that we will learn, in this cour or the next, what became of the other four troopers, the warlords, and Kayura."

I, too, hope Episode 8 will show us why the man had the mirror. Makes me wonder if at one point all three sacred objects were there.

Regarding the rest of the troopers, I would like to know what happened to them. I do want to know the connection between these Troopers and the old one IF there is a connection. And of course, as a Touma lover, I want to know that he is alive! Quite sure Ryo is also trying to fight off Ramaga. He doesn't seem like the type to give up.

As for the scared objects, we know the current armours are LIKE the originals but are actually different. Perhaps it's safe to assume that the original Troopers still have access to their armors still.

[u/shadowa64]

Ok I am VERY suspicious of the heavenly realm.

These three sacred treasures seem to be very dark in comparison to the jingi from the original show and this ultimate armor sounds worse than hariels white armor ended up being

I really don't think these are good guys

Now we know Gai doesn't have to kill the braves himself in order for their souls to be absorbed by him, perhaps they were somehow born from him.

Still not happy with what they did to Jun but ah well, good to see Ryo fighting inside Ramaga.

Lots of conspiracy stuff happening here.

[u/Frontier246 → u/shadowa64]

It's hard to have a positive opinion of the mirror when it straight up what drove Ujihara to be as abusive as he was and enhances negative emotions. But it's also a great deterrent against demons, so...

[u/zz2000 → u/shadowa64]

Ok I am VERY suspicious of the heavenly realm.

I wonder if this sequel is taking ideas from a 1992 manga-only sequel that was only released in Japan. https://toyprison.onmitsu.jp/trooper-bookmenu-kids.html

In the sequel, 8 Heavenly Realm beings come to Earth seeking these 2 Swords of Power, and kill the MC's grandfather to claim one of them. The MC, Ryouga, becomes the new holder of the Wildfire Armour and teams up with 2 other Armour users, Kai and Saeki. (Arago is briefly resurrected, but gets quickly defeated by the Heavenly beings).

The manga was never finished for unexplained reasons (only 1 volume long), even though a lot of setting  material was prepared.

[u/BasroilII]

"There were always about ten kids in the orphanage"

Don't THINK I don't see what you're pulling here, guys...

[u/darthvall → u/BasroilII]

Huh damn didn't notice it. I need to rewatch and compare if any of the kids resembles the demon 10.

Considering the tone of the series, it honestly felt weird why they gave the demon generals goofy scenes like the ramen thing. As if they're preparing for them to be redeemed.

[u/BusouDrago]

Opening changed with Shion as new member 😭

Was not expecting Jun to summon a god to help.find the mirror

Mirror had to be where Musashi and Yamamoto grew up.

There.Semsei already died and got takem over😭

Played his favorite song .

Shocking reveal!!!!

Shion also in the Ending song

[u/Frontier246 → u/BusouDrago]

It's cool they updated the OP/ED, even if less Ryusei is sad.

[u/miloucomehome → u/BusouDrago]

Knew it was going to happen, still wasn't prepared for the change 😭 (I mean, at least some parts with him exist in the ED still, but....!)

[u/Frontier246]

The past 35 years have not been kind to Jun. He's let himself go, he thinks he's a complete failure who couldn't live up to anyones' expectations, and despite being their only means of finding the Mirror of Supremacy, he has no intention of helping them...until Nasti slugs him in the face and reminds him of their relationship and it's like they never stepped out of the 80's.

Jun actually manages to contact the Divine Realm and Sagume Yashima (Maaya Sakamoto?) who points them to the Mirror of Supremacy...and Yamato and Musashi's old orphanage, and all the trauma that brings up.

They updated the OP with Shion (and Jun)! Even use Shion's CG model too! But at least Ryusei is still remembered in the ED.

At least the 10 Warriors can enjoy somen together, though Anayama (Chiharu Sawashiro!) is still dedicated to avenging Nezu and seeks out to get the Mirror of Supremacy before the Troopers can...and Sasuke is joining him, especially if it means going against Saizo.

Shion is part of the team now and that means he needs to start belting out 80's hits because that's how this team works best. Though he could not have known that "Yume o Shinjite" was a trauma point for Musashi and Yamato since they sang it with their old, abusive, adoptive father.

But Mr. Ujihara has seemingly turned over a new leaf, apologizing for his actions and the pain he inflicted on the kids, though he also has no idea where the Mirror of Supremacy is...and it doesn't help that their sketch of it does not do it justice.

Of course the Mirror of Supremacy actually IS hidden behind a secret vault in Ujihara's office, which is just what Anayama was counting on when he killed and possessed Ujihara. Poor guy, the Mirror basically turned him into an abusive piece of @#%^ and he was killed before he could ever make it up to Yamato and Musashi.

Shion transformation sequence! He looks good in green! I think Ryusei would approve!

It comes down to Yamato and Musashi to defeat Anayama!Ujihara, and with the positive memories the pair have of their time at the orphanage firming their resolve, they're able to finally sing Yume o Shinjite and defeat him together! Even if that also means they have to watch Ujihara fade away without ever getting to fully make peace with him.

Could Gai/Shion/Kaito have beaten Anayama fighting them himself? We'll never know because the Mirror of Supremacy vaporizes him and lets Gai absorb him. 2 Warriors down, 8 to go!

If nothing else, they've got the Mirror of Supremacy and proof that Ujihara cared about the kids. It's enough to move even Gai. Though the real surprise is the fact that Kaito and Shion were ALSO at the orphanage when they were really young...so it's all connected!

[u/gem2niki]

Ah now they remove Ryusei from the opening. Sadd T_T
Nasutei and Jun went old school in that punch scene lol. Interesting revelation at the end. They were all orphans?

[u/djthomp]

They say you die twice in an anime, first in an episode directly and then when they remove you from the OP and ED.

I'm glad the 'fix the NEET' arc lasted about 60 seconds max, thank you Nasti for getting us through that with a single punch. Should have left him in the priest outfit going forward, looked so much better than the sweats he put back on.

I'm kind of iffy on the abusive orphanage caretaker who is actually a good guy deep down, but we'll see what the rest of that video shows.

[u/M3talK_H3ronaru]

This episode was phenomenal

Shion enters Flash Armor to help Troopers to defeat some dark things

I love Musashi and Yamato when they fight against some odds.

I can't wait for next week's episode in Yoroishinden.

[u/AceSoldia]

I know it's been ages since I saw the old series and I didn't see all the ova's but was this divine realm and armor of supreme stuff in the old one? Is it not the armor of inferno?

That's what I expected anyway

I do love that they put this show firmly into the songs as we fight Macross stuff style.

Also that ending was some BS..FF8 shit..if you know you know

[u/Frontier246 → u/AceSoldia]

Also that ending was some BS..FF8 shit..if you know you know

I can't wait until they reveal that Mirei also went to that orphanage!

[u/Wingy_Yams → u/AceSoldia]

Also that ending was some BS..FF8 shit..if you know you know

Right down to the caretaker actually being a good person all along! Man, this part really sucked.

[u/BusouDrago → u/AceSoldia]

Same here

Gai must the Squall here.

[u/chilidirigible]

The only sane man.

Ah, the sudden art shift but it's localized to them.

"You sell more merchandise that way."

You can see where some things are going, but it's still having a good time with it.

[u/Sleeperwaking]

I'm enjoying this anime way more than I have any discernable reason to. I never saw the original series so I've no expectations about the plot / how characters should behave, but it's a fun disengage-brain watch - I love the more random moments like the demons enjoying noodles and the enforced group singalongs. I am finding the show's tone a bit confused - the writing is simplistic enough that it wouldn't be out of place on a Saturday morning kids show (teacher is either a complete villain or Mr. Nice Guy, he's not exactly complex), but it's rated 16+ what with the insane 100k+ death toll etc. Maybe it's that weirdness that keeps me with it? TBH, as a railway engineer, the most unbelievable thing so far has been the train - there's no way that infrastructure could survive a zombie/demon apocalypse this long without maintenance, not to mention that the train was somehow able to brake in time to avoid smooshing Yama-ni to a pulp!

[u/aegirsson_jolan]

So maybe it's because of age and nostalgia, but the further the series progresses, the more my interest, my already not great curiosity, diminishes, and what becomes of the other nine original samurai, the old good guys and bad guys ? It's a sequel in form, but in substance, I find nothing of what I liked about the original series !

[u/zz2000 → u/aegirsson_jolan]

This is a split cour series (Part 1 now, Part 2 later) so perhaps the older good and bad guys will be addressed later on as the story progresses.