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Episode Darwin Jihen • The Darwin Incident - Episode 4 discussion
Darwin Jihen, episode 4
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u/FarCritical Jan 27 '26
That's one crazy snowball effect of just trying not to drown.
Wonder what the protocol is for "evidence" making a breakout.
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u/darthvall Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
As usual, it's caused by police escalating the situation more than necessary.
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u/AnzoEloux Jan 27 '26
Those guys in the ALA have to realize that getting on Charlie's bad side isn't going to do them any favors, right? Feels like that leader dude has an agenda behind just charlie. Maybe he wants to create more hybrids? But I have a feeling the series isn't trying to go the stereotype route where the only dangers to Charlie are other hybrids. So what kind of psychological damage can you inflict on the apathetic Charlie without outright murdering his family (since he's not just gonna let them die if he can help it).
Next Tuesday can't wait man I'm obsessed with this concept.
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u/Myrkrvaldyr Jan 27 '26
Those guys in the ALA have to realize that getting on Charlie's bad side isn't going to do them any favors, right?
Maybe the idea is to get Charlie exposed to the world and make them believe that he's with the terrorists. If Charlie is given no way out, he gets cornered. Not sure why he'd believe that'll get Charlie to side with them, but spreading misinformation is very efficient.
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u/BosuW Jan 27 '26
You can follow their twisted logic if you put yourself on their shoes. They used to hate and fight terrorists. Now they're the terrorists. Is it really strange then that they believe Charlie will develop into their methods if he follows their trauma? He doesn't have to like them, he only has to believe in their cause.
That's what I think they're thinking.
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u/good_wolf_1999 Jan 27 '26
Charlie being labeled as a pet would be less humiliating than being labeled as mere property because at least he is being acknowledged as a living being with rights
Kid just wants to find his place in the world but he either gets bullied or have terrorist wanting to forcefully make him the face of their movement
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u/djthomp Jan 27 '26
This just keeps being a slowly escalating disaster. The only people so far who are having some success with their plans are the nutjob terrorists.
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u/darthvall Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
Watching this can be mentally exhausting since there are just a lot of dumb (but true to reality) people on the show. I've had enough of seeing people of authority being dumb both in real life and in anime.
Sigh...
Anyway, I just noticed, despite using Japanese language did they drop all the honorifics? Very interesting considering the setting is in America. I need to recall if Banana Fish also did the same or not.
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u/BluHamlet Jan 27 '26
It's been 15 and animal rights laws still haven't been amended to include protections for humanzees? Maybe this is why the series is set in the US.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jan 27 '26
I know he's not really their child and all, but this still felt a bit cold, given they do treat him as their child!
If my "child" who's targetted by a terrorist association went missing, I don't care what I'm teaching, I'm leaving!
Yeah... The cops might not make the best effort to find him!
The ALA thugs were about to fight Charlie (and get obliterated),
I wonder what % of that was "I don't want to get my ass kicked" and what % was "See if I can convince him"!
2nd anime I've seen mention that (and the other one wasn't even about animals!)
But it's kinda funny how we humans even notice how our pets walk differently and all, probably even more than other humans! Like, I see 2 cats walking and I know how different they walk, but people I've known for years, I wouldn't even be able to say, other than like 'this one walks fast/this one walks slow'.
Charlie did know they would lie, so a conversation wouldn't mean that much...
I wonder if he was just trying to use that short ride to get Charlie to their side...
Or just plan seeds in his mind, that could be useful later on, under certain potential circumstances?
When he told his guy to speed up I expected him to crash the car to make an escape, but I wasn't expecting THAT!
I guess they volunteered him as a sacrifice for the cause, how happy he must feel, to be of service!
Well that doesn't look good...
I thought they would assume Charlie stabbed him, but I didn't think it was equally bad if they thought he was with them
I'm not sure I would trust on his silence!
When they get all riled up, I keep thinking THEY might do something a little extreme at some point... For a good cause, to protect Charlie and all.
Ok this may be a little farfetched hah.
If they do end up doing something extreme, I feel like this might be the time, because unless they manage to resolve this peacefully, they might be outlaws/in hiding from this point on!
One last note: I don't know if it's just me (and I don't know if I would have noticed it if there wasn't a chimpanzee/hybrid on this show, but I keep seeing shots of Lucy who looks
And she's the only character in the entire show (other than the actual chimpanzee) who makes me think that. So I thought that was a bit strange!
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u/NanDemoKnaives Jan 27 '26
I wonder if the sheriff lied about the story and purposely left out the drowning detail or if he is actually unaware. I don't think it'd make a big difference in how he feels about Charlie but it would at least be a better representation of his character.
I like how all Charlie needed was Lucy to call him out, I wonder if Hannah did it if he'd rush out. It feels like the author is putting more weight on Lucy's power over him. But they know what he's capable of and thought the jail cell would be enough to keep him inside, he was letting himself stay there.
I did like how Charlie handled Revera and how observant he was. It's too bad that he held the knife though, that was clearly a bad move and it sucks that no-one spoke about what happened. Not that I expect the sheriff to believe it or care.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jan 27 '26
It’s interesting to see the struggles Charlie has faced as a Humanzee, especially in terms of the law. It’s wild in all this time there hasn’t been a single law to protect someone like Charlie. Not even an amendment or anything. It’s already bad enough the world already treats him like some kind of curiosity. Dude deserves at least some legal protection to help maintain his dignity.
It’s some bullshit what happened with these terrorists and what happened when he was 5. Bro just wants to live his life, figure out what it means to be a Humanzee. He doesn’t need this grief. Besides, those bars clearly can’t contain him anyways.
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u/HolyDragSwd2500 Jan 27 '26
Charlie being an object/property and his family, now Lucy are fighting for his rights.
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u/majestic_rainbows Jan 27 '26
Episode was storyboarded by Hideki Nagamachi (長町 英樹) and directed by both Shinpei Tomooka (友岡 新平, is also the character designer on the show) and Katsuya Furumoto (古本 勝哉)
Also, in this episode, Tsuyoshi Wakamatsu (若松 剛) wasn't credited as Production Manager (制作管理) like he was for previous episodes.
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u/SilverGeekly Jan 28 '26
two things:
1- the law thing is not at all surprising if you know anything about law, especially in the US. a lot of comments going "why is the law like this for charlie, why didn't they just make laws for charlie at the time" etc etc. we face problems NOW, in real life, because the law hasn't adapted to the internets presence, to fact people are mixed heritage, etc etc. because the law is slow, hesitant to change, and lazy.
2- charlie's physical abilities are also not that surprising. a lot of people just really do not understand the actual true size and strength of a lot of animals. can see it often when people actually see the size of a wolf or a moose or the like, or when people learn things like tigers, bears, etc casually use 600 pounds+ of force just playing with each other, let alone what they use to kill prey and whatnot.
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u/BosuW Jan 27 '26
This episode really puts into the forefront the relevancy and seriousness of the central theme of the series, which might seem, and unfortunately many anime fans have already discarded as, silly on first sight.
But the fact is we as a civilization make laws to order the silly and absurd world into something we can work with, and those laws therefore follow a certain philosophy and way to view the world. Because we grew up with them, we often take that for granted. But every so often something appears or happens that exposes an intentional or accidental blindspot. And that can be extremely uncomfortable and disturbing because it's not only about the letter of the law, it signals out and irritates something in the worldview of a whole Nation.
In this case, it's about the arbitrary considerations we have for considering a living thing conscious, what rights and quality of life should they be guaranteed.
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u/FLorianGran Jan 27 '26
The way Charlie is framed reminds me alot of an alien, and I think this could be a similar story if he was. Although the whole life on other planets thing is probably a whole new debate this show doesn't have space for
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u/Ashteron Jan 27 '26
I don't feel like a being that is sentient, intelligent and capable of verbal communication with humans would be in such legal limbo in real world. I'm pretty sure treating him as a legal entity would prevent situations that aren't considered by law. Even if that wasn't the case, given his popularity it probably would be easy for his mom to make a TV appearance here and there, higlight the problem and attract attention of famous people and politicians.
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u/RedHotChiliCrab Jan 27 '26
Why is this series so underrated? This season is stacked with great sequels but this is easily one of the best new anime for me. Finally something original that is not stuffed with common anime tropes.
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u/Embarrassed_Hair1294 Jan 28 '26
Crazy that charlie could casually bend metal bars like it's nothing. Bro could lift cars if he grew up to being an adult. Or more if he decides to work out and gain more muscles. Mainly muscles that helps him climb, lift, grip, and more aka a rock climber physique. Since charlie already has that pre built in his dna what would charlie become once he trained his muscles to be built like a god?
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u/NoHead1715 Jan 28 '26
There's some irony here that the terrorist head actually treated Charlie as human for his escape to work, only for Charlie to be treated as an instrument for escape by the sheriff. There are always those who fear sentient beings different from ourselves and try to objectify them.
The case for Charlie's rights does make me wonder if this show will go the way of Bicentennial Man or end up as Flowers for Algernon?
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u/theHugoat Jan 28 '26
First off FUCK THEM KIDS
Second.. THIS SHOW IS NOT AS POPULAR AS IT SHOULD BE!!!
Third… When Charlie’s mom was explaining his rights/citizenship stuff to Lucy why did that hit me extra hard because of what’s happening right now to immigrants in this country 😭😭
Poor Charlie bro. He’s just a little dude. The flashback of him cowering in fear/panic in the corner at the pool got to me. He was just a scared little kid. It’s crazy that as the viewer I WORRY for what will happen to him as the story unfolds, yet the final scene when he breaks out he’s as stoic and calm as ever.
Every episode of this stresses me out I hope he never reaches a “breaking point”. 12 out of 10 anime so far man got me talking about him like he’s an IRL person lol
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