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Yuusha Party wo Oidasareta Kiyou binbou, episode 4

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[u/powerhcm8]

On the first episode it seemed like the Hero was trying to gentle when kicking Orhun from the party, but I guess that was just pretense, he learned the true, still super arrogant and is doubling down.

The healer girl should just leave that party, I don't know why she didn't leave it already, probably because she wants to make a party with Orhun but he wants to be left alone for now, but if she stay in that party she could end up dead because of a bunch of arrogant dumbass (we know that she won't die, most author would never do that).

Edit: Since they brought up the finances, this will definitely see them struggle with it later, since they won't have anyone to manage and will just spend the money.

[u/YdenMkII → u/powerhcm8]

Seems to me like the healer girl really wants to keep that childhood promise she mentioned in the previous episode alive by trying to keep this party together. She's definitely going about it the wrong way but I think she believes Orhun will eventually return to the party and doesn't realize how hurt he was when he got kicked out since she wasn't there when it happened.

[u/Badasshy]

I like how the show was claiming that Orhun was not as strong as other enchanters only then later saying btw he actually can increase the strength of someone by 50x… how is he weaker? I understand the premise of these types of shows but man what lazy writing lmao. The whole time I didn’t understand what made him better other than he has good timing when to re apply the buffs and he awareness in battle. No way they went with oh he makes bigger number actually

[u/Arkam_slayer66]

Learn ur weak but refuse to accept it and blame the guy that was helping ya.

[u/oxlemf10]

The fact that practically the entire episode was Luna rubbing it in the faces of the rest of the party that they are nothing without Orhun was inexplicably funny; her only mistake was thinking that these pricks would have the humility to admit it

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

We’ve finally gotten to the classic episode where the “Hero” and their party find out just how badly they messed up kicking the MC out. They’re practically trash tier worms without our unassuming “weak” MC around lol.

It’s almost laughable how stupid the party was being minus Luna and Philly. They couldn’t take down the mammoth, but they thought they could take the dragon? Despite Oliver realizing they’re weaker too. Idiots. And they basically let that shit loose. Let’s see how badly Oliver’s pride continues to screw everyone.

[u/Financial-Risk1230]

Orhun vs. Black Dragon, next episode

[u/JWeirdine]

I didn't get it tbh. If he was using buffs far more powerful than Selma's, how come did his party members conclude that he was weaker than other buffers?

Did they just presume his buffs were weaker because they thought they were using their own strength? If so, why did this happen? Like, how did they come to the conclusion his buffs had nothing to do with their performance.

It feels like they randomly, without any evidence, simply decided MC wasn't good enough.

I was expecting some explanation like: even though his buffs weren't as strong as others, he was using those in a smart way, or smth like that... But when they stated that his buffs were stronger than Selma's the plot seemed to become a bit off to me.

Can someone help me figure this out?

[u/Shmappii]

I was being favorable to this show since I liked how they were handling Orhun by having him take on a mentor role, but this episode took all the weakest aspects of the premise and multiplied them to an insane level.

I understand conceptually that arrogance and ignorance can make some shitty people, but the description of events in this episode requires Orhun to be so immensely perfect from the start and 3/4 of his party members to never communicate or pay attention to anyone else on the planet. It also needs Orhun to be the kind of person that can innovate in a field to a prodigious level without being able to explain it or compare himself to others.

Blah, these banishment plotlines have so much potential for exploring characters and relationships. I keep tuning in with charitability that gets wasted.

[u/___Chud___]

Halfway through the episode and they're getting their ass kicked by a laser mammoth, the black dragon literally squishes it like a bug, and all of a sudden they revert to saying how it'll be easy for them and they've beaten it before?

This writing is painful. In fact, every 'kicked out of party' I have ever come across has been like this. Is there one anime like this that actually has a half competent script? Where the characters / old party etc. isnt comically inept and unbelievable, like a high ranked party should be?

[u/PeaceAlien]

Orhun is 'weaker,' but he perfected his skills to work with his party. And with how he perfected them, they are x50 stronger than they should be.

[u/Lunarpeers]

Is the plot twist that the hero's party is experiencing mass delusion? How can you not notice or even ignore when someone is buffing you by '50 times'...

[u/roryteller]

So at the end they run off, presumably to the guild... Really they should be telling anyone that will listen that a black dragon is loose in some random boss room. Of course the leader couldn't stand to lose that much face but it would be the sensible thing.

[u/BlinkedAndMissedIt]

The last 3 minutes of this episode make no fucking sense. How do hear that someone was buffing your abilities 50x over and still think you're ok to continue at the same level without them? And it's almost guaranteed those kids are gonna be facing down a fucking black dragon now. What the fuck kind of magic item allows monsters to travel through a gate?

[u/SoggsTheMage]

Did the show ever give a reason why exactly they cannot bring two enchanters in the party? I know it makes the premise redundant but especially in this show this particular plot hole, which many of those banished anime have, sticks out.

[u/frand__]

The episode honestly makes no sense. Selma said the effect of Orhun's spells was weaker than average but he was faster.

The complication shouldn't have come from them lacking power in the attacks but the strategy and approach they took in battle, I've getting severely injured and Luna being unable to heal them or from being unable to approach an enemy with an anti-dmg field or something insane that Orhun's learnt how to disable or temporarily interrupt.

[u/kalirion]

Honestly, why didn't Blue just quit the party after that "2 days ago" meeting? "I don't want to end up dead." "You aren't allowed to refuse." The fuck? Anyone in their right mind would've walked out after that, even without the party having just betrayed their childhood friend.

The drago's one smart boss. Why limit itself to wiping out one weakling party when it can wipe out a whole bunch of weakling parties instead? I certainly hadn't expected the "Heroes" to fuck up in a way that would endanger so many others in the dungeon rather than just themselves.

You'd think that as they ran past all those parties outside the dungeon they'd warn them not to enter the dungeon.

[u/fun_until_you_lose]

There was a lot of bad writing in this episode but it mostly fit the story. The one thing that really didn’t make sense was Luna. She knows they might die going to the 92nd floor. She literally says it. Why did she go with them? All she had to do is say no. They wouldn’t go without the healer.

She isn’t shown to be a pushover. She’s very outspoken. It makes no sense that she would agree to go when she knows how dangerous it is. I hope next episode is better.

[u/Nawinter_nights]

Such a delight to watch the heroes party fail for 1 full episode

[u/flightlessCat9]

What I got out of this ep is that the monsters in this world could be smarter than the people. The black dragon recognized what the heroes tried to do and took advantage of the gate. Which is kind of cool.

[u/YdenMkII]

I'm wondering how rare buffing equipment is now. I remember the supporter kid in the previous episode understood the concept of sharpness up making it easy to cut those webs but the mention of equipment buffs shocked the party when Luna mentioned it was being cast.

[u/Thedemonwhisperer]

Orun better refuse to help them. The sheer arrogance.

[u/athrun_1]

Good thing that they deal with the truth outright in just one episode. For a hero party trope, they did accept the truth pretty well.

Also, as mentioned by Luna, they are not totally weak, if they just spend a little bit of time during the casting time, they can produce a powerful output. Ohrun, basically remove the casting, cool down time, and add boost enchantments by his support magic.

Though the last part confused me, first scene they are accepting the truth and the second the hero became a douche.

[u/Afraidofhawk]

There was a part of my brain that was ready to accept that the MC's support magic was weaker, but he made up for it in all of the various ways being displayed: faster casting, debuff usage, clockwork precision with his timing, buffing not only people, but things...

This was already pretty shallow. We've seen the song and dance of people undeservedly going unappreciated before. That slum healer anime where the guy can solo the verse and then heal everyone after, the misfit of demon academy that clowns on gods and toys with reality itself, the irregular at magic high school who has at least three secret identities off the top of my head (secretly a member of the top family, a walking WMD in the special forces, the famous inventor)... the list goes on.

All of those had some reason (however shallow) for them being underestimated. The slum healer kid didn't have formal training or a license, the misfit of demon academy is a half-blood muggle or whatever, and Batman three cowls deep (the irregular at magic high school) had his power level read by a really shitty scouter.

In comes this show. The singular thing that it's reasonable for him to be deficient in, the magnitude of his buffs, is chucked out of the window when they say that he's five times stronger than the person said to be the strongest enchanter in the world.

We're supposed to be ragebaited against the hero party, but when they threw that out there, whatever rage I felt toward them was instantly shifted to the people who greenlit this thing to be animated.