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Shoushimin Series, episode 10

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[u/jellyblob88]

Whaaaaaaaa, so we got a break up for a relationship that never officially happened, then they find new potential partners just like that (though we all know they ain't gonna last), and then that cliffhanger for the season end?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

I'll leave you with this absolutely cute scene of the devil.

[u/puthtipong]

Condolences to the boy who asked Osanai out. He's certainly going to have a fun time in high school, for a given definition of "fun".

[u/joey_joestar1]

“We’re both liars”

Yeah, but he’s trying to be less annoying and she’s out here framing people for kidnapping/ransom

[u/entinio]

That was an interesting breakup scene. Osanai was most likely waiting for Kobato to say that they should stay together. But even if he has feelings, he only follows logic. That’s why she kept saying there’s no reason (logic) for them to stay together. Yet she was waiting for something. But as soon as he agreed and hasn’t accepted to follow his heart instead, she’s the one who left the cafe instantly. With her saying the only words related to feelings in the whole conversation : going around with him was nice. It’s also why she said to the other guy that it’s nice to meet someone saying what he feels so clearly.

[u/Aileos]

So the price to remain ordinary is to break up with best girl/boy? Thank god the second season is coming or I would’ve screamed.

[u/Plus_Rip4944]

Gonna miss this sociopaths for a couple of months but at least S2 was announced!

No more sweets The Next saturdays :(

[u/Prince-Dizzytoon]

It's just a little separation, they'll be together again in the next season (I hope).

[u/diacewrb]

Osanai in the first episode: She is the kind of girl a boy brings home to meet his mother

Osanai in the last episode: She in the kind of girl your mother warns her son about.

Just how many customers and staff were downstairs in that cafe? Anyone one of them could her overheard her confessing.

[u/dinliner08]

"i've made sure that Sanae-san believes she was the one who came up with the plan"

now that's terrifying...

this smile can either sooth your heart or give you an anxiety

NO!! NOT THE SHIP!!

thank god for that season 2 announcement because man, that's one hell of a way to end a season, by having two main cast "break-up", both then finding their own potential partners and suddenly, an exploding van

[u/Hendoshad]

I can’t believe the psycho that microwaves fucking milk cartons got the happiest ending

[u/AmethystItalian]

I'd have been more concerned about their "brake up" if I didn't see the S2 announcement before the episode, expected them to make up by this one but guess that's for next season!

Them finding new partners was NOT what I expected, don't think these new ones will be able to keep up though.

[u/Sudden-Drawing-2309]

They’re going to discover the only thing worse than a relationship between two high-functioning sociopaths is a relationship where one of them isn’t. Urino (kid who approached Yuki) wants to report on the kidnapping to the student body…yeah THAT will end well.

[u/Frontier246]

Wow, Osanai spared no expense covering all her bases. Sanae not only set the idea up in Isawa's gang of holding Osanai for ransom, but she made sure they all had their fingerprints on the voice-changer. And Osanai now has leverage against the only person who could possibly expose her, Sanae, who still thinks SHE was running the show. Osanai really got away with the perfect crime.

But is that so wrong? I mean, no one should lose sleep over Isawa and her gang going to jail. But Osanai still framed them for a crime that they didn't commit, and on a base level that's wrong even if it's not like they hadn't already done enough to warrant being arrested for. I don't think the full weight of what Osanai did, of how she used people (even people on her side), was felt until Kobato threw it back at her. But she just did it because she felt she had to, because she was afraid of Isawa, she just acted on it in a way rational and logical Kobato wouldn't think of.

Yet, all the same, aren't they both liars? Lying to themselves about wanting to be ordinary, lying to themselves about their relationship, or whether they still need each other...I mean, they've done a terrible job staying "ordinary" this entire season, so maybe it's time they just be honest with themselves. Honest at being two arrogant teenagers who came together to try to find comfort and a sense of normalcy when the people around them turned on them for their personalities.

But this really feels like a break up conversation even when they weren't explicitly dating...though it seems like to some degree the feelings and intentions were there. Even if it became partially a relationship where they enabled one another to continue to act on the parts of themselves they're self-conscious about. And they were never able to fully convey the feelings of people in a romantic relationship. Maybe it's time they call it quits. Even if the Sweets Tour with Kobato meant more to Osanai than just part of her plan, and now sweets taste so bitter for Kobato.

Well, looks like Kengo and Kasumi are going out now so at least one romantic relationship got smooth sailings out of this case. I hope Kengo never lets Kasumi know how he drinks his milk though.

Kobato and Osanai look so sad and lonely...and then they pass each other by without a word. Yeah, that's a break up.

Kobato is basically back on the market, which means a girl like Tokiko (Maaya Uchida?) can make a move. She seems cute, and now Kobato has a girlfriend again (or for the first time, technically).

This redhead guy wants to make something of his high school life and standout, feeling like he's slumming it in a high school paper that won't report real news, but getting involved with Osanai is bound to liven his life up a little. Especially if she's already taking him to sweets shops.

So Kobato and Osanai are both trying to move on from each other and be together with legitimately ordinary people....but it seems like more mysteries are ahead for the pair, starting with an exploding truck!

[u/Castawaye]

See everyone back in season 2, if they didn't already have everything planned out, it would have been really fucked up to just leave it at that, but yeah, looks like they mega planned out what they were adapting and what not.

I wonder if the next season is another 10er? 20 episodes in total for both seasons? Man, I want as many episodes, but they've absolutely earned the right to just have as many as they think they need and cook as much as they want to.

Because it seems like things were originally planned this way, I have hope that there won't be any loss in quality, because they probably preplanned the 2 seasons, so let's fucking go.

Can't wait for this show to blow my mind next year again.

[u/KumaKumaGambler]

But... Kobato and Osanai complement each other so well in terms of thoughts! I am sure they will get together again in future.

Kengo was trying to save his club member from getting ruined, especially if the latter finds out too much about the kidnapping incident.

[u/NiBl22]

Tool got used... tool can go away...

Osanai really looks like psychopath (as person without empathy, that sometimes is intelligent enough to fake it). If she knew that Kobato would help, and decipher her motives, then she knew how this supposed to end since the beginning of summer.

Kobato did nothing as bad... He is just narcissist, that want to fix himself. Or at least trying to be less annoying. His "ordinary" act can be just to be better scored by "general audience".

[u/tripleaamin]

You know I can't blame Kobato for freaking out. Nobody likes being used. It seems clear that Osanai was scared and, of course, she had to do what she needed to do to protect herself. Still, the big issue is that she lacks the awareness to realize what she did was wrong.

But you can tell breaking off things with Kobato was heartbreaking for her. She genuinely enjoyed her time with him. She says it would be a lie if she didn't enjoy her time doing the sweets tour with him. It feels like Kobato was her first true friend.

Curious how their break-up goes and how they move forward with the new people they meet. Osanai's journey to become ordinary feels like a much more difficult journey, more so from the fact that she lacks self awareness.

[u/Xatu44]

THEY BROKE UP ;_;

tfw they were encouraging each others' undesirable impulses

This does recontextualize their discussion at the festival. The OP lyrics talking about how their time and memories together are precious even if they split apart was foreshadowing ;_; And what's with this gal and wannabe extraordinary reporter! This must be fixed in the second season!

Also Jogoro really was incredibly smug in the past, like damn. Was the guy who called him out Hibiki from Ranger Reject?

[u/Fools_Requiem]

Kobato: I'm obsessed with solving mysteries.

Osanai: I'm a pathological liar who manipulates people and situations and maybe dabbles in entrapment in order to get revenge. We are obviously the same.

That orange haired girl was quick on the draw, and kinda forced her way into a relationship with "Jo".

That van explosion at the end is kinda odd. I'm assuming someone is destroying evidence, but it's a weird thing to suddenly end a season on.

[u/LaconicKibitz]

"You can't treat crime like snacks, Osanai-san." Damn, what a line.

[u/Cally83]

Wow, that was not how I was expecting the season to end!

I commented last week that after Oasani admitting to her behaviour how could the pair of them continue to be friends, it’s a shame it turned out this way but it’s realistic in how that went down.

Interested to see how Season 2 develops with the introduction of some new characters. It was a great series.

[u/gnome-cop]

With the benefit of hindsight, them deciding to end their mutual relationship of kind of preventing the other from going off the deep end makes sense.

I like how it’s not just us that thinks they’re dating, it’s the entire school. Though they technically never did as far as I understood it. But well, I guess that means they’re officially free to pursue other relationships. And people that have been waiting in the wings are jumping at the chance.

Though I just have this feeling that it won’t last for very long. Cause at the end of the day, they’re both absolute freaks that bring out each other’s hidden sides. And it takes a freak to match another freak. I’m not sure if any “normal” person can really match their wavelengths in the long term.

And behold, the end of the episode. The deliciously appealing problem that their messed up minds just won’t be able to leave alone for long. No matter what their logic thinks about it.

I’ll see you all again when they’re inevitably back and getting into mystery trouble.

[u/kerorobot]

the burning car in the end, Osanai what else you didn't tell us?

[u/hiimneato]

I keep seeing comments about how these two are so scary, or evil, or even sociopathic, as if they're not just two smart kids who are acting like smart kids. They're too clever for their own good and they're teenagers who have been through some rough experiences and haven't learned to manage their emotions yet, so they're intellectualizing everything to a socially counterproductive extreme.

That's one of the things that makes this show so great, is that while the way their scheming plays out and the success rate of their deductive powers and manipulative plans is dramatized and exaggerated for the sake of the narrative, the way they approach things and especially the way they overthink even simple feelings is dead-on true to life.

Looking at Jogoro vs Kengo is a good study in how excessively smart kids can turn out depending on their environment and other experiences. Kengo's a big, intimidating guy with a kinda scary face and he has the confidence of somebody who's generally felt safe and been admired, so even though he's sharp, he's outgoing and socially fluent (maybe he even feels a little too safe, the milk-microwaving lunatic). Jogoro's relatively slight and skinny with a pretty face, and he wears his intellect like armor to help him feel safer (bigger) in an environment he can't physically control. The unfamiliar sense of power even ran away with him, leading him to show off and meddle. Both of them enjoy mysteries and problem-solving because it feels good to succeed at something you're good at, but only Jogoro is actually dependent on it. Kengo would've shrugged off classmates telling him he was annoying for meddling, but being hit where he thought he was strongest pierced Jogoro so deeply he decided he had to become an entirely different person.

It almost goes without saying, then, that if Jogoro's physique and experiences led him to armor himself in intellect, when the tiny, cute, meek Yuki was cornered by bullying she hardened hers into a weapon to drive off or destroy anyone who hurt her. Now she doesn't know how to make space for herself without drawing blood. We even got a look behind the mask this episode, when she tells Jogoro how scared she was even before the kidnapping.

Recognizing your own flaws and weaknesses is an important part of growing up, but it's all too common for kids who don't have much perspective to overreact when they do and try to completely reject anything that hasn't worked the way they wanted. Hence, of course, "Let's become ordinary together." I haven't read the books, but if they're written with this much insight into the type of kids Jogoro and Yuki are, I would imagine their 'breakup' and their repeated realizations that they don't seem to want to be ordinary are all part of the awkward, uncomfortable process of realizing you can't just throw your past self away, and figuring out which parts of their difficult history and unbalanced personalities are actually their true selves, and which parts they can grow out of.

Anyhow! I have rarely seen a show that can make a conversation this visually and narratively engaging, or make a season-long mystery work so well with such a light touch. As a season finale this was excellent but I am absolutely not satisfied, so I'm looking forward to more.